[GOAL] Re: Definition of OA and its Priorities and Obstacles

2012-08-30 Thread Jan Velterop
What does this prove, pray? A search in Google Scholar for Open Access and God yields 36,300 results, and Open Access and the devil 10,600 results. I share Peter M-R's unhappiness with the term 'libre OA', though maybe for different reasons. It is tautological: true OA (as we all – including

[GOAL] Re: Definition of OA and its Priorities and Obstacles

2012-08-30 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 9:09 PM, Hélène.Bosc hbosc-tcher...@orange.frwrote: ** Peter, you wrote : I am less than happy with the term libre which does not correspond to usage elsewhere and is at best confusing In French we say Les absents ont toujours tort (Absent people are always wrong) .

[GOAL] Re: Definition of OA and its Priorities and Obstacles

2012-08-29 Thread Jan Velterop
So the definition of Open Access as formulated in the BOAI is now no more than 'mortal improvisation', according to Harnad. What's happening is that for reasons of expediency, the definition of OA (which didn't represent 'Holy Writ', but an ambitious goal, for the benefit of science) is being

[GOAL] Re: Definition of OA and its Priorities and Obstacles

2012-08-29 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
I will comment on JV and then SH On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 7:34 AM, Jan Velterop velte...@gmail.com wrote: So the definition of Open Access as formulated in the BOAI is now no more than 'mortal improvisation', according to Harnad. What's happening is that for reasons of expediency, the

[GOAL] Re: Definition of OA and its Priorities and Obstacles

2012-08-29 Thread Stevan Harnad
On 2012-08-29, at 3:35 AM, Peter Murray-Rust wrote: I have been asking several times for definitions of Open Access. I get no answers but am flooded with political slogans… Gratis OA: Free online access Libre OA: Free online access + various re-use rights (there is no agreement on which ones,

[GOAL] Re: Definition of OA and its Priorities and Obstacles

2012-08-29 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
Thank you for this reply. It contains some answers to some of the questions. I shall return with comments. -- Peter Murray-Rust Reader in Molecular Informatics Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry University of Cambridge CB2 1EW, UK +44-1223-763069

[GOAL] Re: Definition of OA and its Priorities and Obstacles

2012-08-29 Thread Stevan Harnad
JV: the definition of OA... is being changed... instead of any OA achievements being measured against the goal that has been set The 2002 BOAI definition was refined in 2008 to name its two constituents: http://www.earlham.edu/%7Epeters/fos/newsletter/08-02-08.htm#gratis-libre For a

[GOAL] Re: Definition of OA and its Priorities and Obstacles

2012-08-29 Thread Sally Morris
Forgive me, but isn't this a bit like trying to define 'freedom' according to strict criteria? Like it or not, 'open access' has become a widely used term which, at its most basic, does indeed just mean free online access to scholarly content. Further refinements are all very well, but are not

[GOAL] Re: Definition of OA and its Priorities and Obstacles

2012-08-29 Thread Peter Murray-Rust
On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 5:53 PM, Stevan Harnad har...@ecs.soton.ac.ukwrote: JV: the definition of OA... is being changed... instead of any OA achievements being measured against the goal that has been set The 2002 BOAI definition was refined in 2008 to name its two constituents: