[Goanet] piliticians minting money

2008-09-02 Thread Vinay Kamat
  Samir says politicians are minting money what are you doing about it tony? If I have to follow Samir I would say hats off to him if he slaps any one of them. V V K

[Goanet] 12 Orissa districts in grip of communal violence

2008-09-02 Thread Goanet News
12 Orissa districts in grip of communal violence Indo-Asian News Service Bhubaneswar, Sep 1 (IANS) The communal violence that engulfed nine Orissa districts following the Aug 23 murder of a Hindu leader has spread to three more districts, forcing authorities to deploy additional security

Re: [Goanet] Milagrimcho Furis (at Cross Maidan, Bombay)

2008-09-02 Thread Alfred de Tavares
Joe, my dear estemed young friend... who always has such delectable goodies up your sleeve... could you please provide those memorable lyrics of goan romance..legend in Bombay... moidana'lea Khursa Saiba maka ek nouró di Ghá... so on they devoutly belted out after the ladaínha they had

[Goanet] It is just not so!

2008-09-02 Thread Gilbert Lawrence
Notes From Chapter 7 Cracking Da Vinci's Code - You have read the fiction, now read the facts by GJ    False statements of DB (Dan Brown) in the Da Vinci Code: 1. More than eighty gospels were considered for the New Testament; but were turned down by the Church and later destroyed.. (pg 231). 2.

Re: [Goanet] violence in Orissa --- what were the cops doing?

2008-09-02 Thread Rajan P. Parrikar
To Goanet - Santosh Helekar wrote: Communal riots have plagued India since its inception. The root cause of this madness is the tendency for even educated people to incite hatred against those who are different from them... Root cause of the communal riots in India is the tendency...? Gee,

Re: [Goanet] Talking Photos: Preparations in full swing for Ganesh Chaturthi on 3rd Sept

2008-09-02 Thread Gabriel de Figueiredo
I hope all these idols are biodegradeable - especially as they will soon be thrown into the sea ... --- On Tue, 2/9/08, JoeGoaUk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: JoeGoaUk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] Talking Photos: Preparations in full swing for Ganesh Chaturthi on 3rd Sept To:

[Goanet] Amnesty to the illegal residents in Kuwait - Broad Guidelines for Indian Nationals

2008-09-02 Thread Goa's Pride www.goa-world.com
Embassy of India Kuwait    Press Release    Broad Guidelines for Indian Nationals to avail themselves of the benefits of Amnesty declared by the Government of the State of Kuwait from September 1 to October 15, 2008    The Government of the State of Kuwait has declared Amnesty to the illegal

[Goanet] Daily Grook #206

2008-09-02 Thread Francis Rodrigues
DAILY GROOK #206 _ JOB ROB _ by Francis Rodrigues goans tried ayah market, keralite maid a crab for it! _ puns word-play of all kinds, if you read between the lines! _

[Goanet] 4 new VCDs (with Complete updated list of over 210 vcds)

2008-09-02 Thread JoeGoaUk
There are atleast 3 more new releases (may not be availabe at usual stores) VCD No.199 Pe. JUZE VAZ by Prince Jacob A live Tiatr show With Prince Jacob troupe VCD No. 200 VIZMIT by Arnold D’ Costa Film with censor board certificate With Devi, Bushan, Dola, judy, Bhuska, namratha, Ashwin. Vishal

[Goanet] BBC E-mail: India Christians shelter in camps

2008-09-02 Thread RUBY GOES
RUBY GOES saw this story on the BBC News website and thought you should see it. ** Message ** FOR YOUR INFORMATION. rubygoes ** India Christians shelter in camps ** More than 10,000 Christians are living in refugee camps in the eastern Indian state of Orissa, officials say.

[Goanet] KBM and Konkani

2008-09-02 Thread Miguel Braganza
Dears, The TOI report states thus: 1. KBM leaders said that raking up the issue that was laid to rest over 2 decades ago would only foment trouble in the Goan society and divide the people on communal lines. 2. If the situation demands, we won't hesitate to resort to violent means to counter

Re: [Goanet] violence in Orissa --- what were the cops doing?

2008-09-02 Thread Seb dc
Guys check who is scoring the brownie's here:-) To Goanet - Santosh Helekar wrote: Communal riots have plagued India since its inception. The root cause of this madness is the tendency for even educated people to incite hatred against those who are different from them... Root cause of

[Goanet] Tiatr v/s Bollywood: Actor/Actress affairs etc

2008-09-02 Thread JoeGoaUk
Tiatr v/s Bollywood: Actor/Actress affairs etc Cholchitram-achea poddear zaite pauti ami oslio khobro aikoliat ou vachleat. Darmendr-ak ani Hema Malin-ik borem asa. Rajesh Khana ani Dimple Kapadia Amitab Bachaan ani Rekha , Kareena ani Shahid Kapoorak John Abraham ani Bipasha etc etc Tech

[Goanet] They ordered me to have sex with the nun - Fr. Chellen

2008-09-02 Thread Nigel Britto
Fr. Thomas Chellen, director of the pastoral center that was destroyed with a bomb, had a narrow escape after a Hindu mob nearly set him on fire. Currently undergoing treatment at a Catholic hospital in Orissa's capital Bhubaneswar, Fr. Chellen had this horrifying experience to share with Catholic

[Goanet] Please identify these fruits

2008-09-02 Thread JoeGoaUk
If this is ‘boram’ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk1/2811228457/ Then what are these? http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk1/2812074248/sizes/l/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa

[Goanet] Orissa Violence: A woman theologian speaks

2008-09-02 Thread Hartman de Souza
There have been quite a few strong postings on the communal violence in Orissa. I would like to share with all of you something written by my friend Cynthia Stephen, from Bangalore. *Obsequies for the Innocent* Cynthia Stephen Turning and turning in the widening gyre The falcon cannot hear

Re: [Goanet] It is just not so!

2008-09-02 Thread Fr. Ivo C da Souza
From: Gilbert Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] Notes of Chapter 6: Cracking Da Vinci's Code - You have read the fiction, now read the facts by GJ False statements of DB in the 'Da Vinci Code': 1. The Bible is a product of man .. (pg 241) 2. The New Testament is false testimony (pg 342) 3 The Bible was

[Goanet] violence in orissa

2008-09-02 Thread jane gillian rodrigues
Dear Goanetters, As per e-mails below, only Chrsitians are secular, true citizens of Indians, who open their doors to people of all communities, irrespective of caste and creed. The cops were non-christians and under the influence of politicians, and hence would not protect christians.

[Goanet] Swindon Goans

2008-09-02 Thread edward desilva
Selma said:- I am now gathering information on East African Goans, and where they congregated when they first arrived. :-) - Reply: Go to Slowgh (as the Punjabis call it). Some of the originals are still left in Hounslow and Southall, you will have to dig them out. ED.

[Goanet] (Goanet) State of affairs at the Goa Medical College

2008-09-02 Thread Agnelo Fernandes
On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 23:58:28 -0700 (PDT)Samir Kelekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Subject: [Goanet] State of affairs in Goa Medical College In GMC, if an accident victim is brought to casualy, it seems even a stretcher is not brought out to take him inside, unless one of the relatives of the

[Goanet] A Car Accident in Goa - what were the cops doing?

2008-09-02 Thread edward desilva
Roland FrancisSaid: Is there a protocol in Goa for car accidents?   Ans: What do you mean by protocol, In Maharashtra like all other places in India BNP/ Shivsena are trying to ban English, is there any other word for THAT English word in the Hindi Dictionary? and the explanation to what it

[Goanet] VIOLENCE IN ORISSA

2008-09-02 Thread jane gillian rodrigues
Dear Goanetters, The truth is there for all to see and read, as per e-mail below:- _ Security forces had already been deployed in Bolangir, Bargarh, Kandhamal, Gajapati, Ganjam, Koraput, Rayagada, Bhadrak and Kendrapada districts to curb the violence, which has claimed 14 lives. The Indian Army

Re: [Goanet] Fw: Re: Portuguese memoirs ...

2008-09-02 Thread Gabriel de Figueiredo
Hi Roland, Thank you for your comments. That translation is not recent - it was put up on that website about 6 years ago ... Cheers, Gabriel. --- On Tue, 2/9/08, Roland Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Roland Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Goanet] Fw: Re: Portuguese memoirs

Re: [Goanet] GHANTII

2008-09-02 Thread Mario Goveia
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 00:12:03 -0400 From: oscar lobo [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is all history now and the most important thing the Portuguese did for Goa is to save the race of Goans and whatever they built in Goa helped India to showcase tourism and help the politicians after 1961 to reap the

[Goanet] Violence continues in Orissa, 2,400 buildings lost

2008-09-02 Thread marshallmendonza
Tuesday, September 02, 2008 Violence continues in Orissa, 2,400 buildings lost Sporadic violence continue in some villages despite the imposition night curfew in the entire district Bhubaneswar: Communal fires continue to rage in Orissa's Kandhamal district with reports of more homes and prayer

Re: [Goanet] It is just not so!

2008-09-02 Thread Carvalho
--- On Tue, 9/2/08, Fr. Ivo C da Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ***Well done, Dr.Gilbert Lawrence. Our duty is to enlighten those who are in error. If Da Vinci Code is a fiction, let people know why it is a fiction and not history. Being a scientist and oncologist, you have proved your

[Goanet] Dismiss Orissa Govt.

2008-09-02 Thread Samir Kelekar
First thing that should be done is to dismiss Orissa govt., and bring the state under president's rule. All the cops who derelicted duty and just watched should be charged for being party to murder. samir

[Goanet] Goa Police as most unwanted guests in Benaulim

2008-09-02 Thread sebastian Rodrigues
Hello! Here are two new uploads on BVAC Benaulim blog with pictures and text at http://bvacbenaulim.blogspot.com/ 1. Goa Police as most unwanted guests in Benaulim http://bvacbenaulim.blogspot.com/2008/09/goa-police-as-most-unwanted-guests-in.html 2. Don't insult Benaulim Mr. Panchayat

[Goanet] GHANTII

2008-09-02 Thread Mario Goveia
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 06:22:49 +0530 From: U P Kamath [EMAIL PROTECTED] I find Manglorean Catholic girls and women quite attractive, whereas I find Goan catholics distinctively ugly in general. I feel It is due to 450 years of Portuguese slavery. Now one may be politically correct and accuse me

Re: [Goanet] Swindon Goans

2008-09-02 Thread CORNEL DACOSTA
Hi Edward Methinks you are mistaken. Unless you are better informed than I, the Goans from East Africa did not go to Slough and only a few did go to the Hounslow area when they first arrived. The main concentrations were in the Tooting Bec and Manor House areas that are of course locatable on

[Goanet] Archbishop's Message for Ganesh Chaturthi

2008-09-02 Thread Diocesan Centre for Social Communications Media - Goa
Archbishop's House, Panjim, Goa September 2, 2008 To the Newspaper Editors and News Bureaux Chiefs. Gentlemen, I have the pleasure of sending you, attached herewith, Archbishop Filipe Neri Ferrao's Message for Ganesh Chaturthi Festival in the State, for publication in your edition tomorrow.

[Goanet] GMC behaviour

2008-09-02 Thread jane gillian rodrigues
  Dear Goanetters, As per e-mail of Colaco I absolutely disagree with Jane wrt 'Govtmt hospitals are meant for the poor and those who cannot afford private hospitals'. My reply - I still want to know why rich Goans go for phookat treatment to govtmt hospitals when they can afford to go to

[Goanet] slapping GMC doctors

2008-09-02 Thread jane gillian rodrigues
Dear Goanetters, Edward's statement - The rich are forcefull because we can understand the mistakes the doctors make, and we are rich because we have done our Phds, we are not dumb like the poor. My reply - A Phd does not guarantee you will become rich, but it can help some to become rich,

Re: [Goanet] State of affairs at the Goa Medical College

2008-09-02 Thread J. Colaco jc
Dear Agnelo, Could you please provide some more details to this story? i.e. Which ward, What were the interns doing before and after they washed their hands and When? Dear Miguel, Could you please confirm that patients were actually shunted out? It is being suggested that the Herald report

Re: [Goanet] (Goanet) State of affairs at the Goa Medical College

2008-09-02 Thread CORNEL DACOSTA
Folks It is shocking to hear how bad things are regarding medical provision today in Goa especially in emergencies and at the supposedly prestigious Goa Medical College. Once on just arriving in Goa in the 1970s on holiday, my young children were taken very ill having eaten egg-based sandwiches

[Goanet] BBC E-mail: Experts poised for rare frog hunt

2008-09-02 Thread RUBY GOES
RUBY GOES saw this story on the BBC News website and thought you should see it. ** Message ** G'day one and only Goanet. Where's Clinton Vaz? I'd like to know about frog numbers in Goa; there's been no onfo available thus far. Thanks. rubygoes ** Experts poised for rare frog hunt ** Scientists

Re: [Goanet] Violence against Christians in Orissa

2008-09-02 Thread Rajan P. Parrikar
To Goanet - Selma Cardoso wrote: Just a few months ago some posters on Goanet were extolling the virtues of the BJP in Goa, and wanted us to watch the Parrikar v/s Parrikar interview, so that we could have a better understanding of Parrikar's thought processes. This same Parrikar who says the

[Goanet] Violence Update as of August 25th and it continues! - Orissa

2008-09-02 Thread alwin fernandes
Fwding this list as of August 25th only about the violence in Orissa against the innocent and the helpless. ORISSA ANTI CHRISTIAN VIOLENCE UPDATE 25th August 2008 *By Dr. John Dayal.* 1) *NUN REPORTED BURNT ALIVE*: A Christian woman, possibly a nun, was reported burnt alive on 25th

[Goanet] violence in orissa

2008-09-02 Thread jane gillian rodrigues
Dear Goanetters, I applaud the efforts of Fr. Cedric Prakash below, who has gone all out to help non-christian, minorities in Gujerat. I want to know whether Fr. Cedric Prakash, s.j. will now, also make a whole-hearted effort to help his own christians sisters who have been gang-raped in

Re: [Goanet] Where is the Indian paramilitary?

2008-09-02 Thread floriano
Where is the paramilitary; where is Manmohan Singh; where is the President of India indeed ! These comments were in response to 'They ordered me to have sex with a nun' - Fr Thomas Chellen Saturday, August 30, 2008 FR. THOMAS CHELLEN DESCRIBES THE ORISSA MOB ORDEAL Fr. Thomas Chellen,

[Goanet] Happy Ganesh Chaturti

2008-09-02 Thread floriano
Goa Su-Raj Party wishes one and all, Hindus, Muslims Christians , others, a very happy, peaceful, joyous, knowledgeable, full of wisdom and patriotic Ganesh Chaturti Festival. May Lord Ganesh of Wisdom and Knowledge shower some of His WISDOM on his own followers and faithful who are besides

[Goanet] Why is it that we have to LIE about others? Can we not just disagree without Lying?

2008-09-02 Thread J. Colaco jc
Dear Dr. Rajan Parrikar, It is my position that you are either Negligently or Intentionally MisRepresenting the words of Selma (Cardoso) Carvalho. I invite you to either: a: prove that Selma stated what you have her as stating or b: withdraw that slander. Is it that difficult for us to

Re: [Goanet] Swindon Goans

2008-09-02 Thread Carvalho
--- On Tue, 9/2/08, CORNEL DACOSTA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The main concentrations were in the Tooting Bec and Manor House areas that are of course locatable on the Northern and Picadilly tube lines. However this was quite some time ago but there were also places like Plumstead,

Re: [Goanet] Violence against Christians in Orissa

2008-09-02 Thread Carvalho
--- On Tue, 9/2/08, Rajan P. Parrikar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, too bad. Let's hold Manohar Parrikar responsible. How about Hurricane Gustav - I bet Parrikar had a hand in that too. And let's not forget his complicity in the melting of the polar ice caps.

Re: [Goanet] violence in Orissa --- what were the cops doing?

2008-09-02 Thread Santosh Helekar
--- On Mon, 9/1/08, Rajan P. Parrikar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Root cause of the communal riots in India is the tendency...? Gee, which alternative universe did you grow up in? The above outburst and the rest of the material spewed in the above post indicates that my remarks have

Re: [Goanet] It is just not so!

2008-09-02 Thread Fr. Ivo C da Souza
From: Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- On Tue, 9/2/08, Fr. Ivo C da Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ***Well done, Dr.Gilbert Lawrence. Our duty is to enlighten those who are in error. If Da Vinci Code is a fiction, let people know why it is a fiction and not history. Being a scientist and

[Goanet] Konkani Karaoke Song

2008-09-02 Thread Edward Verdes
Mogall Goemkars, Here I am once again with another Konkani Karaoke SongThis mp3 file is sent to me by my friend John Barreto from Bahrain,who is into karaoke singing. The duet is from the 1963 konkani film Amchem Noxib. I have provided the lyrics below and anyone can sing this duet with

[Goanet] Piliticians minting money

2008-09-02 Thread Samir Kelekar
Vinay Kamat writes: Samir says politicians are minting money what are you doing about it tony? If I have to follow Samir I would say hats off to him if he slaps any one of them. V V K You dont have to follow me. If you cant do anything worthwhile, just shut up. Dont waste bandwidth please.

Re: [Goanet] Let's concentrate on Orissa

2008-09-02 Thread Carvalho
Dear Doc et al, Hopefully I am aborting this subject by changing the subject line. What I said or didn't say is irrelevant. The latest news headlines scream that 2500 houses, churches, schools have been burnt, damaged or destroyed. There is nothing left for us to debate about. This insidious

Re: [Goanet] Violence Update as of August 25th and it continues! - Orissa

2008-09-02 Thread alwin fernandes
Here are some more shocking and brutal readings on the genocide against innocent Christians in Orissa being committed even now. Please access the blogspot to read more on the sinister anti-Christian pogrom that continues unabated. All of us need to condemn this and put a stop to this

[Goanet] Ganesh festival

2008-09-02 Thread Bernice Pereira
The Ganesh festival always makes me feel nostalgic.  As a very young girl, I remember being invited with my family to the different Hindu homes in the village to see the deity. We would be given lovely ladoos, full of  of cashew seeds which was a great specialty at the time.  It was always

[Goanet] Announcement - GOAN WELFARE SOCIETY - KUWAIT CELEBRATES GOA DAY 2008

2008-09-02 Thread Wilson Coelho
The traditional Annual Goa Day 2008 organized by the Goan Welfare Society - Kuwait in association with other Goan Clubs and Organizations is scheduled for November 7, 2008. Watch out for further details. Together we can work wonders. Long Live Goa and Goans The Managing Committee Goan

Re: [Goanet] Why is it that we have to LIE about others?

2008-09-02 Thread Rajan P. Parrikar
Jose Colaco wrote: It is my position that you are either Negligently or Intentionally MisRepresenting the words of Selma (Cardoso) Carvalho. Sorry about that. I was paraphrasing from memory (like the other material I claim Selma has uttered in the past). The word should have been hate not

Re: [Goanet] GMC behaviour

2008-09-02 Thread J. Colaco jc
Gillian Rodrigues wrote: 1: I still want to know why rich Goans go for phookat treatment to govtmt hospitals when they can afford to go to pvt hospitals?? 2: Why don't we visit colaco's house or country, to test out in the below manner and dress, how he will react to us?? 3: I have visited

[Goanet] GHANTII

2008-09-02 Thread Mario Goveia
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 07:35:28 +0530 From: U P Kamath [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am not religious, unlike you, so the slur about ape passes me by. Mario writes: Mr. Kamath may have misunderstood whom the slur was against:-)) There is another side to this. I just got a phone call from the local zoo.

Re: [Goanet] Inflation soars to TWENTY SEVEN year high

2008-09-02 Thread Mario Goveia
Mario wrote: These explanations include, a) you used price charts that were made in 2008, b) you bought gold because central bankers were selling gold and you knew they are all idiots, and c) you work very hard as proven by your claim that you caught more lobsters as a youth in Africa

[Goanet] Judicial accountability issues... (offtopic)

2008-09-02 Thread Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या
Judicial accountability issues... http://tehelka.com/story_main40.asp?filename=Ne060908thehouseofbhushan.asp

Re: [Goanet] Why is it that we have to LIE about others?

2008-09-02 Thread Carvalho
--- On Tue, 9/2/08, Rajan P. Parrikar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have no desire to dig through Selma's gutterspeak from the archives of Goanet. --- Gutterspeak? what a wonderful, original, seminal, thought coming from Rajan. selma

[Goanet] Kandhmal becoming laboratory of hate

2008-09-02 Thread Goanet News
Kandhmal becoming laboratory of hate Mohuya Chaudhary Tuesday, September 02, 2008, (Kandhmal) Ever since the murder of VHP leader Swami Lakhananda Saraswati in Kandhmal, villagers hide in the forests every night. The fear is so palpable that they speak in hushed voices, afraid to be seen or

[Goanet] Why Special status is another sham!

2008-09-02 Thread Carvalho
It sounds wonderful. No more mega-projects by those Indians, who are corrupting our identity, putting up concrete monstrosities and defiling Goa beyond recognition. But wait...here is a report, I read just today.

[Goanet] Goa news for September 3, 2008

2008-09-02 Thread Goanet News Service
Goa News from Google News and Goanet.org Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories. *** Security beefed in Goa ahead of Ganesh celebrations - Hindu [8 hours ago] Panaji (PTI): Security arrangements have been beefed up in the coastal state of Goa in the wake of the

[Goanet] It is just not so!

2008-09-02 Thread Gilbert Lawrence
Selma, I knew some smart minds would respond to this thread.  Thanks for reading the posts on this 'hot' topic.  I empathize with you for your really vile mood.  You are forgiven. Saiba bhogos!   Did my writings on this topic touch a raw nerve? Do I detect a bit of 'gnostic defense' in your

Re: [Goanet] GMC behaviour

2008-09-02 Thread Gabriel de Figueiredo
--- On Tue, 2/9/08, jane gillian rodrigues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: jane gillian rodrigues [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] GMC behaviour To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], goanet@lists.goanet.org Received: Tuesday, 2 September, 2008, 6:55 PM I have visited patients in GMC on many occassions

Re: [Goanet] Violence Update as of August 25th and it continues! - Orissa

2008-09-02 Thread Gabriel de Figueiredo
I don't know about the others in diaspora, but I think it is high time we got our repective parishes aware of what is happening in Orissa, so that the matter can be escalted to higher authorities to put pressure on the Indian government. --- On Tue, 2/9/08, alwin fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[Goanet] MONSERATTE SHOULD RESIGN

2008-09-02 Thread Aires Rodrigues
Mr. Atanasio Monserrate should immediately resign as Goa's Education Minister for having falsely filed an affidavit that he had passed his S.S.C exam knowing well that he had not even passed the 8th standard. Propriety demands that Chief Minister Mr. Digambar Kamat should uphold the respect and

[Goanet] Daily Grook #207

2008-09-02 Thread Francis Rodrigues
DAILY GROOK #207 _ THIEF RELIEF _ by Francis Rodrigues citizens expect cops outdoors, did not neglect household chors! _ puns word-play of all kinds, if you read between the lines! _

[Goanet] Cheers Dears: The Dumbo College Elections

2008-09-02 Thread augusto pinto
Cheers Dears By Augusto Pinto The Dumbo College Elections Dears, Campaigning for the Students Council Election was at fever pitch at the Dumbo College of Magic, the premier Magic institution of India. It is situated at Alto Pirazona in Moira. Election days are the most exciting days of

Re: [Goanet] violence in Orissa --- what were the cops doing?

2008-09-02 Thread Rajan P. Parrikar
To Goanet - Santosh Helekar wrote: Gee, which alternative universe did you grow up in? The above outburst and the rest of the material spewed Outburst? Gee, what have you been smoking? You can't seem to hold even half a thought together here, scientiss-bab. Warm regards, r