Many peaceful freedom fighters who would not have been termed as terrorists
today were arrested and thrown in jail without trial in Salazar's Goa. Several
were killed by Salazar's police.
Cheers,
Santosh
- Original Message -
From: Gabriel de Figueiredo gdefigueir...@yahoo.com.au
Here is a partial list of peaceful Goan freedom fighters who were arrested and
imprisoned in Salazar's Goa:
Nilkanth Karapurkar
Guilherme de Souza Ticló
T. B. Cunha
Purshottam Kakodkar
Telo de Mascarenhas
According to a historical report nearly 1500 peaceful protesters were arrested
and jailed
Dear Venantius,
You do not qualify as a chauvinist because you say you have bowed your head
before many Gods. Regarding your note to some unknown Goanetters, if I were you
I would not be concerned about their feelings. You do not owe them any apology.
Nobody has dropped any balls here. You are
Venantius,
Thanks. Coming back to the topic of self-righteous chauvinists, the question I
have is, why do they have a persecution complex irrespective of whether they
are in the majority or the minority? In India, for example, a significant
number of followers of all three major religions,
Venantius,
Greetings of the season to you and everybody else, including the harmless
chauvinists and the armchair bigots! Because I use the term so often, some
people ask me, what is the difference between a self-righteous chauvinist and a
regular person who believes that there are right and
This is also what happened to me. They said that they were from Microsoft
support. I went a little further and asked these scammers how much they would
charge to fix the errors. They said that I would have to pay $79 per year to
them to keep my computer clean. I told them that I could do it
Here is an article exposing the faith healing quackery and fraud that goes on
in places like Potta:
http://nirmukta.com/2012/07/06/the-pseudoscience-of-healing-crusades/
Unfortunately, because of religio-political pressure the Supreme Court of India
stopped a criminal investigation against
Here is the dress code for ministers at a film festival:
http://www.dohafilminstitute.com/photos/made-in-qatar-at-dtff-2012/2632
Cheers,
Santosh
- Original Message -
From: Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão drferdina...@hotmail.com
To: Babush edi...@nizgoenkar.net; goa...@goanet.org
This explains a lot of what happens on Goanet and in political campaigns of all
kinds:
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-new-resilience/201210/why-youre-likely-believe-political-lies
Here is the money quote:
QUOTE
If the subject isn't very important to you or you have other things on
What Augusto says is true. On a related note, I was surprised that George
Bernard Shaw spoke English with an Indian accent. Please see:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40VegR6uaTI
Cheers,
Santosh
- Original Message -
From: augusto pinto pinto...@gmail.com
To: goanet
To set the record straight in respect of the bogus implication below regarding
my posts in the GX forum, all of these GX posts have also been posted on Goanet
every single time, where anybody who is mentioned in them gets to respond in
whatever way they choose. Nearly every member of GX is also
Selma has quit Goanet weeks ago. Any posts and personal emails abusing her
should not be allowed to show up on Goanet. Besides being in violation of
Goanet rules, it is against basic human decency.
Cheers,
Santosh
- Original Message -
From: Eugene Correia eugene.corr...@gmail.com
- Original Message -
From: Rajan P. Parrikar parri...@yahoo.com
Where are all those 'liberal' Indians who were vocal about defending MF
Hussain against Hindu fundies? The silence is deafening.
There is no equivalency between M. F. Husain and the right-wing Christian
extremists
- Original Message -
From: Nelson Lopes nellope...@gmail.com
..
The Pastor in USA, who decided to burn their Holy Koran, finally
As some of you might know, one of the problems of information disseminated on
the internet and through mailing lists is, most of it is absolute nonsense.
That is the case with the post below. It propagates the worst kind of
falsehoods about Darwin and the scientific theory of evolution in the
Misquoting and murdering established scientific theories and facts ought to be
worse than the devil quoting the Bible. I have no idea what virtue there is in
spreading misinformation about the scientific theory of evolution in order to
give vent to one's own misguided notion of conformity
Please see:
http://www.telegraphindia.com/1120722/jsp/nation/story_15758012.jsp#.UDGHk91lQf6
Cheers,
Santosh
I guess Goanet will never be able to rid itself of xenophobic, conspiratorial,
persecutory, chauvinistic, racist and casteist propaganda.
Cheers,
Santosh
From: petronela Souza Roy petr...@mail.com
To: goanet@lists.goanet.org
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012
In the U.S. the issuance of a patent or a scientific research grant is referred
to as an award. Please see the following news report in the New York Times
entitled NeoMedia Awarded New Patent for Faster and Easier Implementation of
Mobile Barcode Applications and Services, for example:
Congratulations to Samir for being awarded a U.S. patent on network security.
Please see below.
Cheers,
Santosh
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P3-2601828051.html
US
Patent Issued on Feb. 28 for Systems and Methods for Real-Time
Network-Based
Vulnerability Assessment (Indian Inventor)
US
Con Menezes cmenezes at tpg.com.au wrote:
Amazingly still continuing in the U.S.
http://vactruth.com/2010/08/26/india-halts-vaccine-programme-after-deaths/
Please do not fall prey to this conspiratorial vaccine denialist propaganda.
Here is a nice article on this ignorant craze of
Why is my long lost friend Pandurang spreading crackpot nonsense on YouTube? I
have to give him a serious tongue lashing when I meet him for the first time
after 28 years.
Cheers,
Santosh
- Original Message -
From: Cecil Pinto cecilpi...@gmail.com
To: goa...@goanet.org
Cc:
There appears to be a lack of understanding of what is meant by a persecution
complex and a paranoid conspiracy theory - the two hackneyed internet campaign
tactics that are a staple of all fringe political activists everywhere. So let
me tell you what they are.
First, here is what they are
This discussion was started by Soter, a spokesman of a group represented by the
pronoun we below, in response to a news item. He tried to sell the members of
Goanet a paranoid conspiracy theory that Siona Fernandes would have been denied
her right to represent India at the Olympic games because
.
Cheers,
Santosh
- Original Message -
From: SOTER so...@bsnl.in
To: goa...@goanet.org
Cc: goenchimxapo...@yahoogroups.com; Santosh Helekar chimbel...@gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 9:19 PM
Subject: [Goanet] How debates from Goanet get diverted to other discussion
forums
So the persecution delusion on this fringe appears to now include the fantasy
that Goa is a separate independent country sending its own athletes to the
London Olympics on the recommendations of sundry political extremists of the
other religious fringe giving speeches on Azad Maidan. But those
The man forgot to notice that she is an accomplished Bharatnatyam dancer, and
that she studied at Kalakshiti in Bangalore. I wouldn't be surprised if she
speaks fluent Kannada as well. Who would believe that a young girl who cared
enough about her native culture to invest her time and energy in
This seems like an attack against those who want to expose the harm caused by
quack medicine, by calling them trolls, and falsely disguising this
agenda-driven attack as informative guidelines regarding netiquette. The
following quote exposes the subterfuge:
QUOTE
For many trolls, lack of hard
Dear Dr Santosh Helekar,
I used to worry too about such things. I used to fret and fume all day long.
But
a curious thing has happened to me over the past two months. I've been
hanging out at Goa speaks, and the young voices there are incredible. There
are
some superb young, Hindu
The most disturbing part of this disgraceful conference is the following:
Pramod Mutalik, President, Shriram Sena in South India, made it clear
that the Sena doesn't follow Gandhian principle of non-violence. We are
not Gandhians. Non-violence as a form of agitation cannot take up
Good to see that for medical information on yoga Dr. Pereira has provided a
link to a well recognized and highly reliable source, namely the website of
U.S. National Institutes of Health. This is a welcome departure from what we
have seen in the past from other Goanetters. But since the quote
MD mmdme...@gmail.com wrote:
Does santosh believe whatever is on this website is the truth but the whole
truth?
http://www.brahmakumaris.info/
I am not sure how the above question to me relates to the confusing queries and
random unsubstantiated thoughts below. But since the above
If the Goa government is supporting this right-wing Hindu religious conference
to revamp the secular constitution of India then it is a slap on all people of
Goa, not just Catholics. No religion can be given special treatment in a
secular democracy.
Cheers,
Santosh
- Original Message
,
Santosh
From: Celina Pereira c...@uri.edu
To: Santosh Helekar chimbel...@yahoo.com; submit article to goanet
goanet@lists.goanet.org
Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2012 8:50 AM
Subject: yogic farming
Thank you for your comments Dr.Helekar. I understand your concerns
As I said before, real scientific research is published in credible technical
scientific journals after a rigorous peer review process. Furthermore, any
finding published in this manner has to be independently replicated and
published by other scientists multiple times after such a rigorous
I have the following comments on two statements in this religious confrontation
between Shankaracharya and the Vatican:
This is illegal as per the DRUGS AND MAGIC REMEDIES ACT 1954 and we call upon
the Indian government to take action under the provision of law.
.press statement of
George Pinto georgejpinto@... wrote:
In a democracy, one can make the same arguments in an open public forum, as
vigorously and robustly as in a court of law.
George,
The above is indeed the definition of a debate, and women are perfectly capable
of debating as robustly as men. In fact, they
I just want Goanet readers to know that real scientific research is published
in technical scientific journals, not in newspaper reports, commercials and
religious cult websites. What you see below is not PRO and CON. It is a con job
all the way. In other words, an act of duping the poor
Sandesh,
Mainstream scientific community is a term that refers to the entire collection
of people whose profession is to conduct scientific research and academic
activities related to science. In order to be qualified to practice this
profession one has to obtain at least a postgraduate degree
Good to see Prof. Dr. Sir, etc. Leo Rebello running for President of India
again. But I am surprised that eradication of AIDS by eliminating the medical
profession is not one of the points in his 24-point manifesto.
Cheers,
Santosh
- Original Message -
From: Dr. Leo Rebello
Gabriel de Figueiredo gdefigueir...@yahoo.com.au wrote:
What is wrong with adopting an orphan or two? People seem to be spending
money
on artificial methods unnecessarily. Just my thoughts.
You don't get to fulfill your fundamental right to pass on your genes.
Cheers,
Santosh
The scientific claims made in the report below are completely bogus. In
particular, the following assertions are a dishonest attempt to fool the public
with pseudoscientific nonsense:
QUOTE
The yogic practice involving positive thoughts releases electro magnetic power
into the plants.
Please see:
http://www.religiondispatches.org/archive/politics/4985/united_nations_affirms_the_human_right_to_blaspheme
Cheers,
Santosh
It is interesting and instructive to see what this guy Marshall believes to be
the truth, and what he rejects as falsehood.
For him everything that is displayed on right-wing propaganda websites or
written in strident mass political campaign newsletters put out by the fanatics
of his religion
Continuing this interesting discussion further, let me point out how a
religious loyalty/political campaign in Goan forums has propagated the
following falsehoods, either explicitly or by implication:
1. That the dripping statue was never claimed to be an unexplained miraculous
phenomenon at
Wouldn't this comment about Muslims in the interview and in the subject line
hurt the feelings of Muslims?
Here is the rhetorical question in the interview, which insinuates ina public
forum that Muslims in general are intolerant:
QUOTE
Would he have dared to make any uncharitable remarks
Repeated attempts have been made by the author of the post appended below to
communalize this issue and garner cheap sympathy from co-religionist partisans
by invoking Biblical quotes and associating me with right-wing Hindu extremists
such as Bal Thackeray. A Thackeray reference has also been
The YouTube videos below show clearly, and in his own words, that Sanal
Edamaruku wanted to debate only about the fake miracle claim. He repeatedly
insisted that this was his only purpose in being on that TV program. But the 3
or 4 people who were shouting him down and issuing threats against
If GA* Noronha wants to defend his opposition to the abolition of a blasphemy
law in our secular democratic country, and support the prosecution of Sanal
Edamaruku under that law using trumped up charges, then he has to respond to
the following substantive posts of Selma and mine with a
This law is an egregious insult to a secular democracy because it singles out
religion and religious beliefs for special treatment. What is worse is it
accords the most fanatical and and chauvinistic among religious folk a
privileged status in society. It says that their beliefs, however
Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا
fredericknoro...@gmail.com wrote:
Are we skewing the debate by using incorrect labels and terms? Is it
blasphemy? Or is it hate speech?
It is a blasphemy law, pure and simple. The law applies only to religion and
religious beliefs.
In addition to filing bogus criminal charges against Sanal Edamaruku under an
anti-secular and antiquated blasphemy law, a libelous hate campaign has been
launched against him in the following manner:
1. Instead of presenting specific charges backed by evidence in an Indian court
of law, which
Gilbert's advice and opinion below are entirely sound. Jose makes one valid
point, which is that animal fat is worse than vegetable fat like coconut oil.
But it is not reasonable to conflate issues regarding consumption of coconut
and coconut oil, and also about coconut and life expectancy. The
http://blogs.wsj.com/indiarealtime/2012/05/15/religion-journal-christ-statue-in-mumbai-prompts-blasphemy-spat/
Cheers,
Santosh
Floriano,
The crap that you are writing regarding coconut oil is spread by MLM scams.
That is why I asked you the name of your MLM. I would like to know the source
of your conspiracy theories. For example, who gave you the following
information:
QUOTE
Because I was holding the test report
Hi Floriano,
What is the name of your coconut oil MLM?
Cheers,
Santosh
- Original Message -
From: floriano floriano.l...@gmail.com
To: Goa's premiere mailing list,estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org
Cc:
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 12:52 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Coconut Oil
The definition of secular which the CSF uses to describe itself is not what
Gabriel suggests below. Here is the CSF's definition:
QUOTE
Secular - Not communal or working only for/against a particular religious
group, but open to any inter-religious faith all citizens.
UNQUOTE
...The CSF
Floriano,
I would recommend that you see your cardiologist, and follow his/her advice and
treatment. You are endangering your life by self-medicating and withholding
your health information from your doctor. I have seen and heard plenty of
people like you ultimately regret the fact that they
It is not a good idea for you to run your own test. Besides everything else, it
will be another mechanism for spreading misinformation, worse than what is
being done right now by various multi-level marketing scams. A serious health
condition has to be treated by a qualified and trained
The claim that I made the quoted statement below is false. That statement was
copied and pasted by some other Goanetter from a propaganda piece from a
right-wing religious chauvinistic organization misnamed Catholic-Christian
Secular Forum (CSF). Here is the link to that propaganda material on
of CSF. He is lashing out against the CSF in response, and may also
be overly paranoid about his fellow Hindus being converted to Christianity.
UNQUOTE
..Santosh Helekar
Now the ball is in Marshall's court. He can either keep copying and pasting the
same fabrication over and over again
to ethical
practise.
2: Santosh wrote: What is the ethical practice for social activists?
Is there any kind of code of ethics for them?
3: U. G. Barad wrote: I was to ask almost the same question(s) which
Dr. Santosh Helekar asked. Anyway, I hope Soter will respond to Dr.
Santosh's questions.
4
Roland,
As a rule of thumb, please don't rely on claims based on testimonials on the
internet or the TV. There is no scientific evidence for the effectiveness of
coconut oil in treatment of Alzheimer's Disease or HIV infection. Please look
up reliable sources of information on the web. Here is
Soter wrote:
But there are social activists who continue to keep away from professional or
corporate activism and observe to ethical practise.
What is the ethical practice for social activists? Is there any kind of code of
ethics for them?
Cheers,
Santosh
- Original Message -
paranoid about his fellow Hindus being converted to Christianity.
UNQUOTE
..Santosh Helekar
Here is Sandesh Anvekar's post:
http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2012-February/218523.html
Please note that Sandesh Anvekar was lashing out against the following
anti-Hindu insinuation
I am happy to answer some questions asked by Jesus below:
Jesus wrote:
Wonder how Mr Helekar could be 'almost certain that 'most people' would find
his comparison to be more appropriate.
I am almost certain of this fact because I believe that most people are very
reasonable. They understand
I don't know what Marshall has against devout Hindus, and why he has to use
scare quotes for the word devout when it refers to Hindus. But I would like to
inform you that no Hindu has forwarded me any newsletter from the right-wing
Catholic-Christian Secular Forum. The email propaganda against
I did not know that all this while Marshall Mendonza was a subscribed member of
the right-wing Catholic-Christian Secular Forum (CSF). I would sincerely urge
him to quit his membership of that organization if he wants to retain any
semblance of credibility from the secular standpoint, and save
Good to see Fr. Ivo back on Goanet.
Cheers,
Santosh
- Original Message -
From: Ivo da C.Souza icso...@bsnl.in
**Christianity is a religion of love, it is rooted in the death and
Resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth, the Son of God. We believe in him because
there are reasons to
I would like to correct the falsehoods being spread in the following post
regarding what I have said about the so-called Catholic-Christian Secular Forum
(CSF). I have stated that the said forum is not a secular forum at all, and
have told you why this is the case. I have also affirmed that the
Some time ago I had pointed out that the so-called Catholic-Christian Secular
Forum (CSF) based in Mumbai is not a secular forum at all, but that it is a
medieval religious chauvinistic organization similar to the Hindu Janajagruti
Samiti because of its strident campaigns and threats against
Death is not an enigma to science. What lies beyond is not a scientific
question. What the bleep do we know is not a documentary produced by
mainstream scientific community. It is a pseudoscientific parody featuring some
wildly imaginative opinions from the fringes. Please see the following
This so-called Biocentrism is not a scientific theory. It is speculative New
Age nonsense cooked up by someone called Robert Lanza. The political website
Huffington Post publishes articles like this because New Age nonsense comports
with its ultra-left wing ideology. There is no discussion of
Good to see Prof. Dr. Dir. Ambdr. Leo Rebello run for President of India again.
Cheers,
Santosh
- Original Message -
From: Goanet News Service n...@goanet.org
To: goa...@goanet.org
Cc:
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 10:15 PM
Subject: [Goanet] Dr. Leo Rebello plans to contest the
. The list is obviously
too long to be posted in a Goanet post.
Cheers,
Santosh
- Original Message -
From: Santosh Helekar chimbel...@yahoo.com
To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org
Cc:
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 5:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Congress
I have concluded that 8 out of the 12 NGOs being probed are not connected with
the Church because I have read about their activities, and know from their
descriptions that they are neither affiliated with the Church nor involved in
Christian religious services.
Of the 8, Calcutta Urban Service
desire to engage in petty politics, and to serve essentially
parochial and sectarian interests.
UNQUOTE
.Santosh Helekar
Please see:
2. The author believes that his following statement indicates that he has high
regard and respect for teachers.
QUOTE
‘Those who can, do
Those who cannot
First let me correct myself with due apology. The Indian government is not
probing 77 NGOs. It has merely provided a watch list of 77 NGOs to its missions
abroad for visa scrutiny. This list is not available on the internet. None of
the NGOs on this list has been reported to have anything to do
A look at the list of 77 NGOs probed by the Congress Government and the 4
anti-Kundankulam NGOs mentioned in the articles provided below reveals that the
vast majority of them have nothing to do with the Christian religion or the
Church. Perhaps, Soter has fallen for the following lie that RSS
The claim below that there is communalization and selective targeting of
Christian organizations by the central Congress government on this issue is
bogus. The Indian government has enforced the foreign contributions regulation
act against three other non-religious NGOs in this case. They are
I cannot understand why any non-activist or genuine public interest activist
would be so offended by my earlier comment as to lash out against me
specifically in a public forum for not being an activist by profession. Why is
it wrong to not be a political activist, and be a teacher instead?
George,
There is no dearth of young activists. There is only a serious deficiency of
honesty, consistency and selfless devotion to justice, as opposed to an
inwardly focused desire to engage in petty politics, and to serve essentially
parochial and sectarian interests.
Cheers,
Santosh
This article was also cross-posted on Secular Goa forum. What it has to do with
secularism beats me. Indian political activists appear to have invented a weird
mixture of left-wing and right-wing ideologies. Anti-capitalism, Marxism,
Maoism, non-Hindu religious chauvinism, sectarianism,
Let me correct the ideological denialist misrepresentation of the situation in
the Northeast as well as that of my earlier missive, in the post appended
below. As stated earlier, the fact that the insurgencies in the Northeast have
a large religious component to them is well recognized by
Most knowledgeable folk in India and around the world who have studied the
conflicts in Kashmir, Northeastern India and the tribal regions in the rest of
India, and who rely only on facts, not left-wing or right-wing ideology, firmly
state that religious differences and religious extremism have
Albert Peres wrote:
Meet Narendra Modi, chief minister of Gujarat and the brightest star in
the Hindu-chauvinist Bharatiya Janata Party.
Profile April 2009 ATLANTIC MAGAZINE
India's new face. - Robert D. Kaplan
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2009/04/india-8217-s-new-face/7332/
Indians
might be the ones who did it, of course in their own language.
Cheers,
Santosh
Sandesh Anvekar sandeshanve...@gmail.com wrote:
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Relgious Extremism in North Easteastern States of India
(Santosh Helekar Ors)
If chiristianity is indeed such a great religion
Gerry,
Voltaire's advice I may not agree with what you say but I shall defend
unto death your right to say it is for sober rational folk, not for zealous
religio-political activists.
Cheers,
Santosh
P.S. BTW, I have noticed that you are a proud Indian. So I am sure you do not
agree with
Good to see Gilbert back on Goanet.
Cheers,
Santosh
- Original Message -
From: Gilbert Lawrence gilbert2...@yahoo.com
To: goa...@goanet.org goa...@goanet.org
Cc:
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2012 4:40 PM
Subject: [Goanet] Regurgitating References
Work has kept me rather busy and
It is good that Gerry has added some additional important factors that
have contributed to the violence in the Northeast, and I am especially
thankful that he has expressed utmost respect for the views of others
in this forum. But I also noticed that two of the three factors he has
added have
mmendonz...@gmail.com
To: goanet goanet@lists.goanet.org
Cc:
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 10:38 AM
Subject: [Goanet] The CSF
Santosh Helekar:
I would therefore like to point out a logical fallacy in his claims
below. He claims that the right-wing religious organization
My contention, like that of Mr. Eduardo Faleiro, was that one of the major
reasons for conflicts in Kashmir and the tribal areas of India, such as Orissa
and the North East in recent times was religious differences and religious
conversions and reconversions. It should be obvious to most
In this new thread that Marshall has initiated I would like to find out if he
is capable of carrying on a rational discussion without showering insults on
the person with whom he disagrees, and who does not belong to his religion
and/or his religio-political worldview. He has already made a
A former Congress Union Minister
like Mr. Eduardo Faleiro who serves all people of India rather than the
parochial interests of just one community or one religio-political point of
view knows his facts about India much better than some random
Goanetter. He was talking about recent
times, not
So much for Marshall's bogus promise not to be the one to have the last word in
this thread.
He has now re-emerged to continue his crusade against people who disagree with
his religio-political agenda. This time he has decided to smear a devout Hindu
by associating him with someone called
As I had warned you earlier, Marshall will now continue to abuse and slander me
till the cows come home. The reason should be clear to everybody by now. But
that aside, in the interest of a productive discussion about secularism and
religious propaganda organizations I would like to express the
...@gmail.com
I am highly amused reading the below tripe and juvenile post. This
pontificating by a person who in an earlier debate justified / defended the
rapes, killings and destruction of property of Christians in
Kandhamalterming itas action-reaction, a la Narendra Modi. And
Santosh Helekar
As I had mentioned earlier, Marshall will now continue to abuse and slander me
till the cows come home. The reason should be clear to everybody by now. Those
of you who find this behavior of Marshall to be distressing, or who are
embarrassed for him, I apologize on his behalf. I wish I could
While the article below may not be comprehensive and completely accurate as far
as the problems for secularism in Europe are concerned, it nicely highlights
the fact that majoritarianism and religious chauvinism are a world-wide
phenomenon. Mr. Faleiro, however, did not cover the situation in
Those who are puzzled as to why Marshall is now abusing me and bearing false
witness against me, let me assure you that it is because he has realized that
he cannot refute the evidence that I have provided for the fact that the
Catholic-Christian Secular Forum is not a secular forum at all, but
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