[Goanet] East African Goans called Black Europeans

I was very interested to read Vivian D'Souza's post that he was born in a European Hospital in Dar-es-salaam. For me, this is quite a new experience, but then, things might have been different in the old Tanganyika? I say this because, in Kenya, no way could a Goan or non-White be admitted to a

[Goanet] East African Goans called Black Europeans

Dear Selma, This is the first I've heard of Goans in East Africa being referred to as Black Europeans.Haven't come across Robert Gregory's book either. It is quite possible that the Goans aligned themselves more to the Europeans than other Asians, the latter often being referred to as Banyanis

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--- On Wed, 10/1/08, Mervyn Elsie Maciel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is the first I've heard of Goans in East Africa being referred to as Black Europeans.Haven't come across Robert Gregory's book either. It is quite possible that the Goans aligned themselves more to the Europeans

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--- On Tue, 9/30/08, Mervyn Lobo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: selma, I think you are following Eugune's type of journalism which, if I remember properly, is to provoke. It is real easy to pick up on name calling and try and disguise it as a question. - First of

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] East African Goans called Black Europeans? To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Received: Wednesday, 1 October, 2008, 4:24 AM In a book by Robert Gregory, documenting the role played in Asians in African politics, he writes, Many Goans claimed to be fully of Portuguese rather than Indian descent. Many

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Selma, Since you are repeating for the second time and that too in short sucession the following: I grew up in a country that derisively called me Hindi (a reference to your life in the Persian Gulf), I must clear the air on this particular remark. Unlike you, I was not born in that region but I

[Goanet] East African Goans called Black Europeans

Mohandis in Arabic means Engineer, usually technical personnel are addressed this way. Even 'Mohallem' is quite respecteble form of addressing in Arabic. As for Banyanis, I deduce there must have been plenty of Gujarathi/Rajasthani traders, some of the from 'Baniya' community. Was this a fact?

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Dears There's a book entitled, From Jhelum to Tana by Neera Kapur-Dromson, Penguin Books, New Delhi, 2007, that might interest those who are on this thread. I have only read a review but apparently, it's a very interesting book about an Indian family from Punjab's experiences in Kenya, told by

[Goanet] East African Goans called Black Europeans

Dear Selma, The Goans were also known as Watu Ya Mungu by the Africans people of God. _ Make a mini you and download it into Windows Live Messenger http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/111354029/direct/01/

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] East African Goans called Black Europeans? To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Date: Wednesday, October 1, 2008, 8:25 AM Selma, Since you are repeating for the second time and that too in short sucession the following: I grew up in a country that derisively

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The book Augusto mentions is here: http://firstandsecond.com/store/books/info/search.asp?styp=tletle=from+Jhelum+to+Tana Firstandsecond.com seems to have a large selection of books, at Indian prices. I've not used this service though, apart from searching while trying to locate book. FN

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From: Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a book by Robert Gregory, documenting the role played in Asians in African politics, he writes, Many Goans claimed to be fully of Portuguese rather than Indian descent. Many Goans were quick to learn English, adopt European dress even for women, and live

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Dears I notice that on the East African Goans called Black Europeans thread, some of the letter - writers seem to be full of guilt and almost seem to be accusing themselves of racial bias. That was there no doubt. And I wrote about this in a slightly different context when reviewing a book

[Goanet] East African Goans called Black Europeans?

In a book by Robert Gregory, documenting the role played in Asians in African politics, he writes, Many Goans claimed to be fully of Portuguese rather than Indian descent. Many Goans were quick to learn English, adopt European dress even for women, and live and eat in European style. The Goan

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Selma, Another term for a Black European is Afro-Saxon. Sort of what one current presidential candidate in the US is. I suggest you research the accomplishments of Goans in East Africa rather than parroting the names they were given by the good white folks. Mervyn3.0 

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Carvalho wrote:  Thank you for your curt response which was totally unnecessary. selma, I think you are following Eugune's type of journalism which, if I remember properly, is to provoke. It is real easy to pick up on name calling and try and disguise it as a question. For example, Chris Rock