than only (if so)
putting it on Goanet.
venantius j pinto
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Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 23:52:21 -0800 (PST)
From: Gabriel de Figueiredo gdefigueir...@yahoo.com.au
To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!
goanet@lists.goanet.org
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Defence
It appears from the comment by the scientist that India may have become the
dumping ground of other countries' mobile handsets that have failed to satisfy
radiation standards in their own countries ...
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From: Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão drferdina...@hotmail.com
...and its only February. Imagine the situation in May.
And all this, is progress, according to a Goanetter who appears now to have
left this forum.
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From: Freddy Fernandes ffernandes@emaar.ae
To: goanet@lists.goanet.org
Sent: Thu, 10 February, 2011 4:17:41
Hence the lines on the current Portuguese national anthem (A Portuguesa), which
originally went, I believe:
Contra os Bretões marchar, marchar (now goes Contra os canhões marchar,
marchar).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Portuguesa
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From: Frederick Noronha
Goans were always Portuguese citizens, until Indian citizenship was foisted
upon
them by force by virtue of the invasion. The only Goan brave enough to defy the
orders to change his citizenship was Pe. Chico Monteiro. Now Goans are quietly
reinstating their citizenship, even in places such as
That Me first attitude seems to be growing in other parts of the world as
well.
My gut feeling is that we've become so engrossed in the rat-race to get to the
unattainable cheese regardless of all else that we tend to forget that
there's
other people around.
Why were the previous
See link for a photo as pombinhas de TAIP taken in 1956 ...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cultura_portuguesa_da_india/4655986741/in/photostream/
NOTE: TAIP air-hostesses were the first ones to wear saris as uniforms on
international flights.
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-hostesses
On 24 August 2010 20:29, Gabriel de Figueiredo
gdefigueir...@yahoo.com.au wrote:
NOTE: TAIP air-hostesses were the first ones to wear saris as uniforms on
international flights.
So, what's the point? Does it imply anything? Or was it just following
the rule of unintended
The photographs are not mine. I found them by chance on Flickr.
The brazão (shield) designed for India Portuguesa is to the left of Viva
Portugal on
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cultura_portuguesa_da_india/
This shield was designed to be at the bottom right-hand side of the flag for
India
Right on the nail, Mr. Baliga.
http://www.mail-archive.com/goanet@lists.goanet.org/msg66038.html
be assured that outside of first-generation emigrants who reminisce of Goa,
the
second-generation might call themselves Goans but they have now so much
integrated into the fabric of their parents'
IIRC, there used to be compulsory dog licencing in the Portuguese regime, in
addition to compulsory bicycle registration. This seems to have disappeared
over the years as indiscipline took over rational thinking.
Gabriel.
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From: INDOLOGY GOA indology...@gmail.com
It was the quartel during the Portuguese times, and entrance to it (as were
other Portuguese instalations) was open to any Goan, contrary to what it is
now. I remember having lost a cap in between the quartel and and the Instituto
Vasco de Gama (as IMB was knwon then) whilst returning back
This talk about NRIs and voting ...
In the 80s, when I was in London as an Indian citizen, I was invited to join in
the local and national voting, as I was a resident of London and a local
tax-payer. Besides, I was told, I had a right to vote as a Commonwealth
citizen.
It appears that
The crab mentality is not the prerogative of Goans only. Such exist in the
Italian community, among women's groups, in the Irish community here in
Melbourne (observed it in real life), and perhaps many other communities. It
is
also known as the tall poppy syndrome.
(Wikipedia: Tall poppy
Really sad re Liceu. Some of the Panjim Liceu buldings (Liceu Afonso de
Albuquerque?) seem to habeen given a reprieve by the Goa branch of Bombay High
Court (why I wonder, when Goa had its own High Court in Portuguese times?)
...
Any saviours for the Mapuca Liceu? Could be converted into an
Anyone noticed:
- Central board reads: Mapusa Municipal Council - Mapusa (don't know why
Mapusa
is stated twice ...) and
- the board on the right (facing the building) reads Mhapsa Municipal Council
...
Are there two cities with a similar sounding name having their respective
councils in
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If I may add ...
Mithra talks about people who go abroad to make money, as if US and EU
are other Gulfie places which they are not - doesn't talk much about people
who have actually migrated to the US, EU, AUS and CAN to give themselves and
their progeny a new, different, start in life. .
That is true of any Indian arrival in Melbourne. I have met a Sikh taxi-driver
who worked during the night whilst studying during the day, others who were
half-asleep during TAFE (Technical and Further Education) classes as they
worked night-shifts in their uncle's restaurant, etc. In the case
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Lusofonia Games are apparently scheduled to be held in Goa in 2013 (see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lusophony_Games ).
Does anyone know what's happening?
Gabriel.
Cheers Floriano :-) .
Outside of that comment, it appears that Mr. Lalit Banot also was not aware
that
paan-spitting is unique to India (comment by media show bathroom sinks full of
dust and stained with an unidentifiable reddish-brown liquid - see photos 5
and
6 at
Hi Selma,
As far as I can remember, the Banco Nacional Ultramarino was situated where
today's State Bank of India is situated, between the Secretariat and Hotel
Mandovi.
Bits 'n pieces as gathered from my limited collection of books, old and new,
some of which might not exactly fit your
At long last - the armed forces are lending a hand to the CWG ...
We've seen a Bailey Bridge before, across the Borim bridge when the center span
crashed after a barge hit one of the pillars. Now a similar strategy is being
used to fill in the gap fter the footbridge collapsed. Hopefully it
AFAIK, this is the new building - the original building that stood there
looked more like the Customs house (now museum?) ...
- Original Message
From: JoeGoaUk joego...@yahoo.co.uk
To: goa...@goanet.org
Sent: Sat, 25 September, 2010 11:05:44 PM
Subject: [Goanet] Talking Photos:
There was some feedback on the news reports on ToI that it was only the white
countries that complained. And when our extended family gathered last night,
the same comment was made in discussions re CWG. It now appears that it was not
only ANZ+UK+CAN that complained about filth in CWG, but also
I have read about some controversy as to the use of the INC flag as the flag of
independent India. Gandhi was against its use, but Nehru, I understand wanted
the INC flag to be converted to be the national flag, replacing the INC
spinning wheel with the Ashoka chakra.
I apologise that at
A ... sorrowing one ... perhaps ? :-))
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From: floriano floriano.l...@gmail.com
To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org
Sent: Tue, 28 September, 2010 4:07:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] The Portuguese ' Order of Merito' to Goa's Count'O
Germany not only celebrates 20 years since reunification this weekend, it will
also pay off the last of its World War I debts, 92 years after the 1914-18
conflict ended.
These reparations were intended partly by the Allies, particularly France, to
keep Germany weak.
But historians say the
Ille is French. Would that actually be 'Ilha de Capão'?
- Original Message
From: JoeGoaUk joego...@yahoo.co.uk
To: goa...@goanet.org
Sent: Fri, 1 October, 2010 5:52:24 PM
Subject: [Goanet] Talking Photos: Some pics from 'Ille de Capão'
Talking Photos: Some pics from 'Ille de
This statement was apparently made by Nehru when Congress lost devastatingly
(17% votes) against MGP(42% votes) and UGP (30% votes) in the first elections.
For Congress, a trouncing to remember was one of the headlines of the day.
Nehru was stunned by the outcome because he had expeceted Goans
One names comes to mind, and that is the pianist Margarida Miranda, one-time
head of Goa Kala Academy's Western Music wing. She left Goa for Germany, some
time before the Indian Armed Forces marched into Goa, on a Gulbenkian
scholarship. AFAIK, she is in Panjim.
The cellist Alexandre
Doce=sweet or something swee (usually denoting cakes or dessert I would presume)
as opposed to
rebuçado=a sweet (as in candy or toffee)
There are various doces - check http://www.gastronomias.com/doces/ for a large
list of recipes in Portuguese.
Re price, I cannot comment, but please observe
Why photography not allowed?
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From: JoeGoaUk joego...@yahoo.co.uk
To: goa...@goanet.org
Sent: Sat, 2 October, 2010 10:22:13 PM
Subject: [Goanet] Talking Photo: Neglected Heritage Structure by the Army?
Neglected Heritage Structure by the Army?
Sure will, for a young couple who plan to get married in a Church at that
precise moment: 10:10 am on the 10th October. Rare time, and even rarer is the
reception that will follow, which is in the form of an extended breakfast :-))
Hope it all goes well for them, offspring of good friends of
That is peer review of today, I presume ...
And another word used nowadays is consensus among scientists ...
- Original Message
From: Gilbert Lawrence gilbert2...@yahoo.com
To: goa...@goanet.org
Sent: Mon, 4 October, 2010 4:13:05 AM
Subject: [Goanet] Science for sale ...
And
A trivia piece. Here's the origin of Rua 5 de Outubro, and if I am not
mistaken, there was a company in Goa called Cintubro ...
- Original Message
From: CLP Instituto Camões clpicpan...@gmail.com
To: add...@chowgules.ac.in
Sent: Sun, 3 October, 2010 10:46:16 PM
Subject: [Goanet]
Wow! what a transformation! Congratulations to all involved. Thank you for the
photos, JoeGoaUK.
An observation, if I might make: there are plants growing at the base of the
lions, which could weaken the pillar in the long term.
On the other hand, could some enterprising sculptor make a bust
Where is the jardineiro?
There used to be a jardineiro IIRC in charge of that garden, upto maybe 1964.
He used to ensure that no flowers were plucked nor anyone slept on the benches
/ committed nuisance as such in the garden. High time such an institution
was
in place!
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That should have been 'Bom Baim' = Good bay. The normal Portuguese rendering
of
'good bay' would have been boa bahia rather than the grammatically incorrect
bom
bahia. However, it is possible to find the form baim (masc.) for 'little bay'
in
sixteenth-century Portuguese.
However, note
Thank you for those pics - glorious eye-candy.
Happy to note that some modernity exists in the PMC ...
- Original Message
From: JoeGoaUk joego...@yahoo.co.uk
To: goa...@goanet.org
Sent: Tue, 12 October, 2010 12:04:17 PM
Subject: [Goanet] Jardim Garcia de Orta - New Pics
I have been told by an Indian tax-payer that some clerk demanded Rs 50 to get
her tax refund cheque from the tax authorities. So, be aware of these issues.
- Original Message
From: eric pinto ericpin...@yahoo.com
To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org
I wonder how the TOI could state that India was a founding member of the UN.
The UN, essentially a successor to the League of Nations which was
established
in 1919 after WWI to promote international cooperation and to achieve peace
and
security, came into existence on 24 October 1945, almost
Ah well, India hasn't done too badly in these Delhi games, being 2nd in the
Gold
medal tally list leading England's 3rd.
- Original Message
From: Venantius J Pinto venantius.pi...@gmail.com
To: Goanet Mail list goanet@lists.goanet.org
Sent: Wed, 13 October, 2010 4:26:44 PM
Why dig out only the Portuguese? Perhaps comparative history would be better -
how many people were subject to torture in England in the same period, and how
many people were tortured in India by the Brits in a similar period for
political and religious reasons?
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Looks like Edila did not quite understand the meaning of India.
Goa is part of India she says. So is the whole of Bengal and the whole of
Sind (check the Indian national anthem) were parts of (British) India. So why
is
Bengal divided into East Bengal (India) and a separate country now called
If The Goa, Daman and Diu Freedom Fighters Association want to truly get rid of
the Portuguese legacy, please ask them to give up cooking using:
Tomatoes
Chillies
Potatoes
Pineapples
Cashew
and all the varieties of mangoes and bananas we have in Goa. These and more
(see an article by
Dear Rico,
The genteel world in which Dr Gaitonde also lived in the 50s (I found him
very cultured.. feted by the crème de la crème of monarchal families says
Edila) together with my father's generation, has nothing to do with my
question,
which is, why did Dr. Gaitonde leave Goa soon after
http://www.navhindtimes.in/goa-news/republic-portugal-changed-goans-lives-better-feel-experts
A conference held at the Portuguese consulate on Saturday to discuss the impact
on Goa as regards the Iberian nation...
PANAJI: A conference held at the Portuguese consulate on Saturday to discuss
Dear Jose,
Thanks for your comments. They are much appreciated in trying to understand
the
people involved in this topic. I apologise if I have upset the people involved.
Regards,
Gabriel.
PS Your understanding re bye-election appears to be correct.
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From: J.
Incredible India at its best!
Couldn't the Margao municpality get its act together for once? Or ist it
someone
else's responsibility to ensure the cleanliness of the place?
What about the organisers? Is their sense of hygiene different from the rest of
the world?
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A little-know poéta was professora Clara Menezes, a teacher at Massano de
Amorim, Panjim, passed away a few decades ago. I don't know if her Portuguese
compositions still exist. She was married to Camilo Menezes of Loutolim.
- Original Message
From: Goanet Reader
The original Clube Vasco da Gama was a grand place - high ceilings (required to
keep the place cool), tall windows, large mirrors, billiard tables, et al.
Shame
progress destroyed what was once a beautiful piece of Indo-Portuguese
architecture.
Bar-Restaurant Capucinna was another quaint
I am not altogether whether this fits in this topic.
How good is the Legatum Prosperity Index? India falls in the 88th place in the
2010 rankings, with Zimbabwe at the bottom of the 110 countries listed in
http://www.prosperity.com/rankings.aspx
So yes, while the cream are the ministers in
Goans have been in Melbourne since the 70s. Goans and Indians who assimilated
into the Australian culture had little, if any, racial issues.
The issues commenced when illegalities and a large number of students
descended in Melbourne in the last 5 years. No Indian talks about illegalities
-
Ah! Another G confirming what I had stated aeons ago! :-) Guess the final
straw
was the Naval mutiny in Bombay ...
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From: Gabriel gabrielr...@gmail.com
Sent: Thu, 4 November, 2010 11:44:10 PM
Subject: [Goanet] INDIA's FREEDOM CHURCH LAND GOING GOING GONE
The
Why not destroy everything that the Moslems, British and Portuguese built and
start all over again? Why worry about an insititution called modern
civilization? Go back to the bullock cart. I'm sorry, but if you insist on
going
the way you are, you probably belong to that age.
BTW, are you
check this one out:
http://www.portaldasnacoes.pt/index.php?option=com_contentview=articleid=572%3Ajardins-garcia-da-orta-talhao-de-goacatid=249%3AprimaveraItemid=364lang=pt
Check out the mango tree in full flower ... and this in Portugal, glorifying
Goa ...
Hmmm - what's so different from what has been said prior to the invasion of
1961? The lies appears to abound.
Check http://www.mail-archive.com/goanet@lists.goanet.org/msg36570.html
BTW, I understand Sir Walter Crocker's book has recently been reprinted in
India.
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It is Grau (grau = degree ).
Grau can also be translated as secondary level of education (as in Segundo
Grau ) in addition to above, which can apply to mathematics, temperature, or
as
described below, to the strength of a brew.
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Australia's SBS television has compiled a set of interviews with the old
hippies ...
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Cheers,
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If I am not mistaken, moll=bud (as in flower ... fulola fullancho mollo,
amguela zonela sokollo ...). Therefore,
dakoi mogachem moll = show (your) budding love?
Cheers,
Gabriel.
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From: JoeGoaUk joego...@yahoo.co.uk
To: goa...@goanet.org goa...@goanet.org
Cc:
Remember the church bell tolling in Loutolim, and uncle Dr. Jocu Melo
describing an event to my Mum, exclaiming #39;ele nao parou, e os miltares
abriram fogo#39;. This was sometime between Xmas and New year (1961). Probably
related to the event in Cansaulim as described by Leo Lawrence in his
That is really spelt as molho, as used in fish, meat and prawn preserved in
sauces. Other spellings as used by commercial vendors and English writers are
corruptions, as English-educated people cannot prounce lho properly and ends up
as llo, as in carvalho pronounced as carvallo. Right Selma
Venantius,
I am not sure about the konkani spelling for molho. Note that cozinheiro became
cuzner in konkani, like many other Portuguese-derived words, so this one could
have suffered a similar transition, especially after being influenced by
anglicised speakers (considered by some as being
Hi Venantius,
This discussion has taken a new twist :-)
However, comparing languages, the Portuguese pronounce each and every letter in
a word (well almost), so that psicología is pronounced as 'pisikogía'. Lazy
adoptions of Portuguese words into Konkani have left out the last vowels of
most
In addition, a number of shops have changed their names / reverted to their
Portuguese names, Ducló Bobó had become Dukle Bhobe and is now back to its
original Ducló Bobó; Zubeida Bakery is now Padaría Zubeida, but it appears to
have changed its vocation in the bargain, that of selling
Quite possible - quite a collection in those shops, some strangely familiar,
last time I was there circa 2008.
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From: Edgar Silveira ed...@goencar.com
To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org
Cc:
Sent: Sunday, 29 January 2012 3:20 PM
Perhaps you folks already know it ... if so I apologise for the repeat.
For those interested in Portuguese television programs (recorded and direct),
you can watch now them on your iPad by downloading the RTP app for free, The
programs are free too, with the exception of programs which have
Hmmm ... interesting.
1) Is the noble Baroness aware that Goa sent representatives for many years
to the Portuguese Parliament, so it was closely allied with Portugal and Goans
spoke Portuguese? (Lord Orr-Ewing)
I should add, as early as 1834 (Bernardo Peres da Silva of Neura). Francisco
I am not sure if this has been discussed, or whether it is a good idea to
publish the photos of the stolen artifacts, if available, in all papers
locally, and nationally. More importantly, supply the photos to old gold
dealers, antique dealers esp in Cochin, local and national police (might not
I understand there was an attempt to remove the jewels off the casket of St
Francis Xavier in the 40s/50s - having read of the episode in Memorias do meu
passaado (Fernando Noronha). The culprit, IIRC, was an Englishman, and was
caught red-handed ...
So there were issues in those times, but
Salazar lives ... visado pela censura :-)
Sandeep Heble sandeephe...@gmail.com wrote:
That's right UNTIL I read
this article (of INTERFERENCE with the electrical supply and TV) in
the Times of India
] CONTROVERSY: The MOCA replies...
Aaah! Do you mean to say that the loot of Goa didn't start after 1961, as
some on this list try to keep suggesting? FN
On 9 February 2012 08:28, Gabriel de Figueiredo
gdefigueir...@yahoo.com.auwrote:
I understand there was an attempt to remove the jewels off
Os Transportes Aéreos da Índia Portuguesa foram criados em 1955 como uma
empresa pública ligada ao Governo-Geral do Estado Português da Índia, sob o
nome inicial de “STAIP - Serviços de Transportes Aéreos da Índia Portuguesa”,
designação logo simplificada para “TAIP - Transportes Aéreos da
Some eons ago, there was a discussion on this forum re Indian Independence etc.
At that time, my personal belief was that the Brits gave independence to India
not because of Gandhi or Nehru, but because they could no longer trust the
loyalty of the British Indian Army. The following program
If interested ...
ErmelindaParrasFigueiredo: My grandmother (date unknown). A story has been told
to me recently... Torcato and Gabriel Figueiredo were courting this elegant
lady, and Torcato lost out. For my grandparents' wedding, Torcato then composed
the now-famous Mando de Despedida (Adeus
an important
factor in the complete withdrawal of the Raj from India. - Wikipedia Royal
Indian Navy mutiny.
Regards,
Gabriel
From: J. Colaco jc cola...@gmail.com
To: Gabriel de Figueiredo gdefigueir...@yahoo.com.au; Goa's premiere
mailing list, estb. 1994
Happiness, like crappiness, is relative.
What is crap for the Goan, is normality for the Delhiite.
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Dear Goanetters,
There is currently spam email being spewed on the internet, using my email id
as the display name, with the subject VACANCY ...
It has not been sent by me. Please delete it if you have received it.
Cheers,
Gabriel de Figueiredo
A question needs be asked of witnesses before finer analysis is undertaken:
Did the bus suddenly belch thick black smoke before it raced and plunged into
the river?
If yes, this (the uncontrollable speed) could be the result of diesel overrun
(or runaway). In many vehicles, a crankcase
The word intruz comes from a Portuguese word entrudo, which according to my
Collins dictionary, translates to Shrovetide or Carnival.
From: MD mmdme...@gmail.com
To: goa...@goanet.org
Sent: Tuesday, 21 February 2012 10:31 AM
Subject: [Goanet] Goanet] No
From what I understand, in India, a local can never be a Governor of the state
they were born in Something to do with prevention of secession as I was
told.
From: Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا
fredericknoro...@gmail.com
To:
I am not sure about all plastic bags - I had a few books stored in the garage
in a plastic bag; a few months later when I picked the bag up, the bag had
disintegrated into tiny flakes ...
From: Bernice Pereira bernicepere...@gmail.com
To: Goanet
Do you mean that Goans create slums in Britain? That they spit/defecate/sleep
on park-benches/demolish old structures to build concrete jungles?
From: Frederick FN Noronha * फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या * فريدريك نورونيا
fredericknoron...@gmail.com
To: Goa's premiere
PIDE seems to live on, fifty years after the event ...
From: Tony de Sa tonyde...@gmail.com
To: Goa's Premiere Mailing List, Estd 1994 goanet@lists.goanet.org
Sent: Tuesday, 28 February 2012 2:23 AM
Subject: [Goanet] Cop's night investigation at Velim Church
And they are ... ?
From: Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا
fredericknoro...@gmail.com
To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org
Sent: Wednesday, 29 February 2012 9:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Racism, Britain,
Why not Portuguese? After all its one way of maintaining identity in an
otherwise sea of English-speaking Indians. It would be of immense assistance to
those seeking a Portuguese nationality. Colonial language you say? What the
heck is English then?
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