I don't suppose there as any chance of any comment from anyone at
google on any of this?
On Apr 13, 1:18 pm, 风笑雪 kea...@gmail.com wrote:
For this second, you can set an A record to 74.125.113.121.
But google.dns.tancee.com will keep available if this IP got banned.
So when Chinese can't
For this second, you can set an A record to 74.125.113.121.
But google.dns.tancee.com will keep available if this IP got banned.
So when Chinese can't visit your web site, you can ping
google.dns.tancee.com to see if there is a new available IP, and change your
A record again.
Hope this would be
As I know, *.appspot.com mostly works in China, only completely
blocked for a short period early this year, after that only some apps
-- most proxies which can be used to access other blocked sites -- are
still blocked. And for the custom domain, some Chinese developers will
find available ips of
You can try this CNAME to instead of ghs: google.dns.tancee.com
My website(http://gae.keakon.cn/) is ok by visiting from China.
2009/4/10 T.J. Crowder t...@crowdersoftware.com
Hi Wally,
Happy to help (if I did).
...you have certainly
covered all the technical bases of implementing a
agreed.
google should be more aware of the site blocking from any country.
because of the bad domain binding method google provided.
On 4月3日, 上午6时38分, Andy selforgani...@gmail.com wrote:
Why shouldn't this be google's problem?
Google's hosting platform is being blocked by the country with the
Hi Wally,
Sorry to hear about the block.
The internet is indeed a funny place.
I did respond with a question on how to set this up but have received
no answer?
Any ideas anyone?
Setting up a proxy server is a non-trivial task (I'm not saying it's
hard, just non-trivial) so you're not
Hi TJ,
That really is an amazing post. I'm impressed, you have certainly
covered all the technical bases of implementing a proxy.
My biggest concern is that Googles behaviour is unpredictable and I
not entirely sure how well they will respond to something like this
being implemented.
1. I have
On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 10:08 AM, WallyDD shaneb...@gmail.com wrote:
4. Google has deliberately and intentionally blocked traffic
originating from Sudan, Syria, Cuba, Iran and North Korea(not really
sure if they have internet there). From the legal discourse I have
read it would appear
When considering a plan to solve a problem, I think that it's
reasonable to consider whether said plan will actually solve the
problem. Why? Because if a plan doesn't solve the problem, the
problem still exists.
Quite simply, whatever solution there may or may not be, it is not
your plan
Not to mention the threats consist of actions that were suggested as
an alternative. That suggestion was reproached as unacceptable. So it
is quite confusing.
The funny thing is that the people who have reproached the
suggestions as unacceptable are all non-Google employees yet acting
When considering a plan to solve a problem, I think that it's
reasonable to consider whether said plan will actually solve the
problem. Why? Because if a plan doesn't solve the problem, the
problem still exists.
Quite simply, whatever solution there may or may not be, it is not
your plan
Not to mention the threats consist of actions that were suggested as
an alternative. That suggestion was reproached as unacceptable. So it
is quite confusing.
The really funny thing is that the people who reproached the
suggestions as unacceptable are all non-Google employees yet acting
like
2009/4/8 Andy selforgani...@gmail.com:
Perhaps psychiatric help would be a better option than disrupting
Internet forum by openly acting out your Google employee fantasy.
Great idea, Andy! Now, how about giving all 6958 of our inboxes a
break from your ego, eh?
Thanks,
David.
--
Great idea, Andy! Now, how about giving all 6958 of our inboxes a
break from your ego, eh?
David, if only you would listen to your own advice then all 6958 of us
wouldn't have to be part of your latest ego trip. How about that eh?
--~--~-~--~~~---~--~~
You
Yes, I do.
I'm glad you finally learn the word obligation. Too bad you didn't
learn it earlier when you spewed your nonsense that obligation can
only come from laws and contracts.
Feel free to consult a dictionary first next time when you find
yourself once again tempted to use a big word
Yes, I do.
I'm glad you finally learn the word obligation. Too bad you didn't
learn it earlier when you spewed your nonsense that obligation can
only come from laws and contracts.
Feel free to consult a dictionary first next time when you find
yourself once again tempted to use a big word you
Just to add some irony to this.
Google is doing some developer days in Beijing and they are going to
talk about appengine.
And just to really demonstrate how aware Google is of this entire
issue they have advertised this on blogspot.com, which is also blocked
in China.
http://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/detail?id=1072
On Apr 7, 11:39 am, WallyDD shaneb...@gmail.com wrote:
Just to add some irony to this.
Google is doing some developer days in Beijing and they are going to
talk about appengine.
And just to really demonstrate how aware Google is
Interestingly, issue 1144, the same thing, was marked Fixed on March
16.
On Apr 7, 12:31 pm, Joe Bowman bowman.jos...@gmail.com wrote:
http://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/detail?id=1072
On Apr 7, 11:39 am, WallyDD shaneb...@gmail.com wrote:
Just to add some irony to this.
Not to mention the threats consist of actions that were suggested as
an alternative. That suggestion was reproached as unacceptable. So it
is quite confusing.
On Apr 7, 2:16 pm, Andy Freeman ana...@earthlink.net wrote:
Some user reported a problem and wanted to know if Google had any plan
to
Some user reported a problem and wanted to know if Google had any plan
to solve it. That equates to wanting a guarantee in your world? Some
kind of twisted world you live in there.
When considering a plan to solve a problem, I think that it's
reasonable to consider whether said plan will
Which means that if Google allows anything to be hosted in China that
the Chinese don't like, they'll block GAE-China (and maybe other
properties to teach Google a lesson or because the external IPs are
shared).
So you're speculating that Google China is going to break the laws of
the
It's the plain meaning of the word. I apologise for not knowing that
you didn't know what it meant when you wrote that Google had an
obligation to make GAE available in China. Are there other statements
that you made without understanding their meaning?
If you think obligation only refers
So far, I've only seen two people complaining about the Chinese
firewall and appengine, and a couple others voicing their opinion on
it not being Google's obligation to support it. So really, when you
count how many members this group has, I'd venture a guess that most
just don't care either
what can Google do to stop the Chinese
govt from blocking?
one can argue that Google needs the Chinese govt to not block,
but that doesn't imply that Google can do anything to stop the Chinese
govt from blocking.
As I've told you, there are plenty of solutions.
One of them is to offer hosting
You can check whether your website is accessible in china by using a
service such as:
http://www.websitepulse.com/help/testtools.china-test.html
Try both your domain name and the appspot subdomain to see whether it
is your domain or the appengine subdomain / IP address that is being
blocked.
One of them is to offer hosting at Google's data center in China.
Since China can block sites hosted in China (I thought that it
was common knowledge that China imposed controls on in-China sites.)
There's nothing wrong with wanting guarantees, but Google isn't in a
position to give a
Do you see the words social and moral in addition to legal in
the definition for obligation? Do you even understand what those
words mean?
Yes, I do. And I also understand how social and moral obligations
work. If you feel that Google is violating a social or moral
obligation, you don't
I'd just like to point out how funny it is that people keep banging on
for Google to respond, and in their banging on for Google to respond,
they missed Google's actual response.
Is there any google staff who is responsible for GAE promotion and
technology to say something here?
How can I
The internet is indeed a funny place.
I did respond with a question on how to set this up but have received
no answer?
Any ideas anyone?
On Apr 6, 3:03 am, Paddy Foran foran.pa...@gmail.com wrote:
I'd just like to point out how funny it is that people keep banging on
for Google to respond,
It's even funnier that you quoted someone who isn't banging on Google
to respond.
On Apr 6, 12:03 am, Paddy Foran foran.pa...@gmail.com wrote:
I'd just like to point out how funny it is that people keep banging on
for Google to respond, and in their banging on for Google to respond,
they
Get a server and IP that is available in China, but outside of the
chinese firewall. Configure it to proxy you appspot.com domain. It
gets tricky handling cookies and session state and such doing this
though. Not a turnkey solution. Basically all requests to your
appengine application coming from
On Apr 6, 3:03 am, Paddy Foran foran.pa...@gmail.com wrote:
I'd just like to point out how funny it is that people keep banging on
for Google to respond, and in their banging on for Google to respond,
they missed Google's actual response.
That's because Brett gave a technical solution
Thanks for the answer Joe.
I have to agree it is not a turnkey solution and from the look of
things people are probably better off giving up on GAE and finding an
alternate host. The general feeling I find on the web is that Amazons
service is better suited for the international market.
On Apr
On Apr 6, 10:16 am, Andy Freeman ana...@earthlink.net wrote:
One of them is to offer hosting at Google's data center in China.
Since China can block sites hosted in China (I thought that it
was common knowledge that China imposed controls on in-China sites.)
So you really have no
Feel free to hair-split the word obligation.
It's the plain meaning of the word. I apologise for not knowing that
you didn't know what it meant when you wrote that Google had an
obligation to make GAE available in China. Are there other statements
that you made without understanding their
Plenty of companies would be willing to deal with not being able to
support customers in China. Either for reasons of they only support
selling products within in their own countries, to, startups that will
move off of appengine if the need and funding arises to allow them
move off of appengine
You have
nothing of value to contribute to the discussion except to badger the
people who reported this problem.
On the contrary. I've pointed out how to actually solve the problem.
Throughout this, you've acted like Google has some obligation to make
GAE applications visible in China.
I'm someone who understands that obligations come from laws and
contracts. Feel free to point to the relevant chapter and verse that
However, absent a contract and/or a law, Google isn't obligated to
make GAE applications visible in China.
Feel free to hair-split the word obligation.
appspot.com is accessiable in China now, and I found appspot.com has a
china specific host?
Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.
C:\Documents and Settings\fqinping cndata4u.appspot.com
Pinging appspot-china.l.google.com [72.14.235.141] with 32 bytes
I want to to hear from Google whether it has done anything to solve
this problem or whether it has any plan to do so.
I don't want to hear pompous speech from a self-appointed non-google
spokesperson on his political/moral drivels and that he encourage
me to take my business elsewhere.
So no,
So no, there's no pot and kettle here at all.
Sure there is - unless you know how to fix the problem. (Surely
you're not going to argue that you're reporting an unknown problem.)
After all, you complained about someone else's posting with This is a
forum for people to share information on GAE
So fixing China is the problem?
Please can we take this aggression out of the discussion?
This is a technical group, not somewhere for country bashing. There
are plenty of other places you can have a political argument, this is
not the place.
On Apr 3, 10:04 am, Andy Freeman
Please try to be respectful.
http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine/web/google-app-engine-discussion-group-charter
On Apr 3, 10:04 am, Andy Freeman ana...@earthlink.net wrote:
So no, there's no pot and kettle here at all.
Sure there is - unless you know how to fix the problem.
Is there any google staff who is responsible for GAE promotion and
technology to say something here?
How can I access to my Google Apps via my own domain directly, e.g.
how can access via mail.my_domain.com instead of mail.google.com/a/
my_domain.com?
One way to address this is to run a
And, the political reputation
damage would be enough to drive even more people away from their
product.
Google already set up their China search site google.cn that received
approval from the Chinese government.
Did you see any resulting political reputation damage that drive
even more
On 02/04/2009, Ezu ezu...@gmail.com wrote:
You might get slightly better results using a custom domain if you
don't already.
True but a custom domain have to point to ghs.google.com to be
assigned to appengine. It seems that exactly that domain is blocked.
ah, ok if ghs IPs
I have custom domain. I have never had anything blocked in many years
before migrating to google app engine.
The 'bad neighbour' issue has never been a problem for me in the past.
On Apr 2, 11:18 am, Barry Hunter barrybhun...@googlemail.com wrote:
And why is this Google's problem?
Presumably
On 02/04/2009, WallyDD shaneb...@gmail.com wrote:
I have custom domain. I have never had anything blocked in many years
before migrating to google app engine.
The 'bad neighbour' issue has never been a problem for me in the past.
What do you want, a medal?
really that was just blind
Barry,
The issue is with the way google deals with dns.
The issue is very much googles as it means a lot of people will not be
able to develop on Google app engine. Most larger websites have no
choice but to steer clear of Google application engine.
I would love to take the issue up with the
Why shouldn't this be google's problem?
Google's hosting platform is being blocked by the country with the
largest internet population in the world. You think that's not a major
problem?
I've used plenty of hosting sites that are perfectly accessible from
China. So obviously this is a problem
And what do you want, a prescription for prozac?
You have nothing of value to contribute except badgering the people
who brought the problem to light.
On Apr 2, 1:49 pm, Barry Hunter barrybhun...@googlemail.com wrote:
On 02/04/2009, WallyDD shaneb...@gmail.com wrote:
I have custom
Why shouldn't this be google's problem?
Suppose that I sold raincoats and you wanted to buy one of my
raincoats. If someone else got between us and stopped me from
delivering raincoats to you, who would you hold responsible?
Google isn't doing the blocking.
Yes, Google may be able to make
China and the other countries block content that they deem
unacceptable for their citizens. In order to get appengine off the
blacklist, they would have to disallow people to create applications
which would be deemed offensive to those countries.
First, looking at it from the pure
Paying extra money for a static IP address is something that I would
happily cough up money for. Could Google create the functionality?
I am no expert on Firewalls and security but is this same type of
blocking done with some corporate firewalls? I was under the
impression that these countries
I am in China and I can access most of apps on GAE.
On 4月2日, 下午10时48分, WallyDD shaneb...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello,
My website (on google app engine) is blocked in China where I used to
get a lot of traffic from. I only just realised this from looking at
the logs and noting that traffic from
Can your site be accessed via yourapp.appspot.com?
On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 10:48 PM, WallyDD shaneb...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello,
My website (on google app engine) is blocked in China where I used to
get a lot of traffic from. I only just realised this from looking at
the logs and noting that
Just because Google isn't doing the blocking doesn't mean it's not
Google's problem.
Using your (lack of) logic, if GAE is down because someone's attacking
it using DOS, does that mean it's also not Google's problem because
google isn't doing the attacking?
On Apr 2, 7:16 pm, Andy Freeman
No one is interested in hearing your political/moral preaching.
This is a forum for people to share information on GAE and solve
problems. If you have anything of value to add to the discussion, feel
free to add your bits. If not, you won't be missed.
So you encourage me to take my business
If A times 10 B then fix it.
You're assuming that google can fix it. Since google isn't doing
the blocking, this is an interesting assumption.
On Apr 2, 7:05 pm, WallyDD shaneb...@gmail.com wrote:
Paying extra money for a static IP address is something that I would
happily cough up money
Google can control access to its resources and has contracts with the
folks who ship bits to google.
Google has no control over the great firewall.
On Apr 2, 8:32 pm, Andy selforgani...@gmail.com wrote:
Just because Google isn't doing the blocking doesn't mean it's not
Google's problem.
This is a forum for people to share information on GAE and solve
problems.
Pot, kettle and all that unless you know how Google can subvert the
great firewall.
On Apr 2, 8:48 pm, Andy selforgani...@gmail.com wrote:
No one is interested in hearing your political/moral preaching.
This is a
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