[GreenYouth] Re: SHIVER… DOWN THE SPINE.

2008-10-04 Thread venukm
A rare kind of account, where words in reciprocity simply fail. Damn the identities bulit around hate, lies and fictions! Shahina KK wrote: Dear friends, I know this is a belated post. Infact I was taking time to shrugg off the bewilderment,anguish and scare through which I had been

[GreenYouth] Re: SHIVER… DOWN THE SPINE.

2008-10-04 Thread damodar prasad
Shahina, I don't know what to say. I came to know about this traumatic episode a week ago, but I didn't personally mail you as I did not know what to say. But I asked myself : is this true? In fact we all discussed the hoot article here in this group. Some one told me the incident was reported in

[GreenYouth] Re: SHIVER… DOWN THE SPINE.

2008-10-04 Thread S sanjeev
dear shahina, i'm happy that you have decided to confront this particular spectre. cheers     --- On Sat, 4/10/08, Shahina KK [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Shahina KK [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [GreenYouth] SHIVER… DOWN THE SPINE. To: greenyouth@googlegroups.com Date: Saturday, 4 October, 2008,

[GreenYouth] Re: Readings of Gandhi

2008-10-04 Thread jenny rowena
Thanks Venu'ettan and Luisa for your posts. (Its strange that there was no response so far to what Venugopal has written on Gandhi. It is even more strange that in this post-Chengara age also there can still be a seminar on Gandhi's position without a single mention of the oppressive caste

[GreenYouth] Re: Readings of Gandhi

2008-10-04 Thread Bobby Kunhu
Thanks Jenny for that response, I was reading these exchanges with interest and I loved Venu's mail. I thought this might be an appropriate juncture to throw in some words I was very fascinated by the spelling Luisa used for Gandhi (Luisa, please dont see this is as nitpicking - I agree with most

[GreenYouth] Re: SHIVER… DOWN THE SPINE.

2008-10-04 Thread Afthab Ellath
I share the same feeling that you all expressed here... and I too don't know what to say... It is really spine chilling... It is coming closer and closer... How far is the midnight that we will hear the the knock on the door? In Solidarity Afthab Ellath On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 12:20 PM, devika

[GreenYouth] Re: Readings of Gandhi

2008-10-04 Thread Luisa Steur
Hi Dileep, Thanks for this elaboration. The question of Ghandi's ashram's as a form of anarchist practice is interestingof course his village communes are not unique in history -- I think the villigization (ujaama) program, the Kibutz in Israel, the mirs in Russia for example are comparable

[GreenYouth] Re: Readings of Gandhi

2008-10-04 Thread ranju radha
*Panchayats are based on the principles of modern democracy. there are discussions , debates and umpiring/soveriegn decision making.* Really? and modern?? what kind of discussions take place there in GAndhi's (savarna) raj? discussion how to give an order to parade naked a Dalit woman? how to

[GreenYouth] Re: Readings of Gandhi

2008-10-04 Thread Bobby Kunhu
Dear Jenny and Hey Luisa - was not at all trying a one-up-man-ship... Please continue with Ghandi - its all the same...There needs to be a debate on whether difference in religion(parsi or baniya) has changed caste hierarchies at all And I do not claim to be an anarchist (despite my profound

[GreenYouth] Re: FOURTH ESTATE CRITIQUE Re: SHIVER … DOWN THE SPINE

2008-10-04 Thread Bobby Kunhu
Dear John, Damodar, Anil, Afthab, Anivar JP NPC, Satchi Mash etc Can we go beyond this expression of solidarity. This can happen to any of us, given our work. Its tremendous that people have expressed solidarity, but that is also reactionary. I have found this group useful in the limited time that

[GreenYouth] Re: Fwd: 'Your religion follows you' Shahina says

2008-10-04 Thread Bobby Kunhu
Thanks 2008/10/4 Dileep Raj [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Forwarded message -- From: sreevasudeva bhattathiri [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 7:29 PM Subject: 'Your religion follows you' Shahina says see the attchments -- Phone: 0471-3293472 Mobile: 98473 45534

[GreenYouth] Re: Readings of Gandhi

2008-10-04 Thread Dileep Raj
( I really don't understand why people exhort to refrain from engaging in critical debates and be satisfied with chanting certain manthras.While somebody claim that everything is said and done on certain topics, and everybody should content with uncritical repetition of certain 'critical'

[GreenYouth] Re: Readings of Gandhi

2008-10-04 Thread damodar prasad
While writing on the role of gods and spirits in social science, deepesh chakraborthy questions the dominant mode in social sciences. The accepted principle is one historicizes only insofar as one belongs to a mode of being in the world that is aligned with principle of disenchantment of universe.

[GreenYouth] Akeel Birgami on Gandhi, Osama, Dawkins etal

2008-10-04 Thread damodar prasad
*What Osama is demanding is on the lips of almost every ordinary Muslim' http://in.rediff.com/news/2007/feb/08inter.htm *February 08, 2007 I have a whiplash tongue,' Professor *Akeel Bilgrami* was quoted by a Columbia University student as saying recently, 'and I won't hesitate to lash you all

[GreenYouth] Fwd: [EMAIL PROTECTED] shared this with you: DGP on the charges against Dr. Binayak Sen

2008-10-04 Thread Venugopalan K M
-- Forwarded message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 1:18 AM Subject: [EMAIL PROTECTED] shared this with you: DGP on the charges against Dr. Binayak Sen To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent to you by [EMAIL PROTECTED] using Google's sharing button

[GreenYouth] Re: Readings of Gandhi

2008-10-04 Thread jenny rowena
Dear Bobby, I don't see that much connection with English as an empowerment language. But even when Gandhism might have been put to empowering uses, i don't know how empowering it still is for dalit/caste politics, which is my concern. Once again let me say, i was pointing out to an entirely

[GreenYouth] Re: Readings of Gandhi

2008-10-04 Thread jenny rowena
Sorry i sent off that half-written piece, without knowing.. Dileep , You ignore certain critical traditions and go on talking about Sathyagraha and Panchayathi Raj, which is a talk that started some sixty years ago.. and when some others bring attention to some alternate ways of thinking about

[GreenYouth] Re: Readings of Gandhi

2008-10-04 Thread ranju radha
dilip, chengara struggle is gandhian? This is the worst statement one can ever make and I request NIzar Ahmed to apologise for humiliating the struggle of chengara. this s like saying: just bz all the struggles waged by Dalits under the leadership of Ambedkar were peaceful and non-violent, it s

[GreenYouth] see this link

2008-10-04 Thread damodar prasad
http://offstumped.nationalinterest.in/2008/09/20/indian-mujahideen-countercurrents-potential-nexus/ This link was provided by Yash in an FEC mail. The original mail I have forwarded to Green Youth. If you go to the archives of Green Youth, you will find mails which had quoted this neo-jingoist

[GreenYouth] ALERT: A consceince encountered

2008-10-04 Thread Bobby Kunhu
-- Forwarded message -- From: DailySouthAsian [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/10/5 Subject: [DailySouthAsian] ALERT: A consceince encountered To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *ALERT: A consceince encountered* Dr Sandeep Pandey - I've often been blamed by friends