Re: Alt-key mnemonics in menus

2011-09-06 Thread Emmanuele Bassi
On 2011-09-05 at 21:35, Allin Cottrell wrote: Having built a minimal test program, showing a plain GTK window with a menu, I can confirm that the GTK default is (a). And I find this to be the case with all the gnome apps that I've tested. I infer that apps that support (c) -- e.g., Firefox,

Re: Can g_file_monitor_file () report events from before it was created?

2011-09-06 Thread Chris Vine
On Tue, 06 Sep 2011 01:42:43 +0100 Peter Clifton pc...@cam.ac.uk wrote: I'm working on some code to monitor for file changes in our application, and ran into a bit of a problem today with the Save-As case. The order of operations is something like: 1. File monitor exists on the document

GLib 2.29.90

2011-09-06 Thread Ryan Lortie
GLib 2.29.90 is ready. http://download.gnome.org/sources/glib/2.29/ 95af3f46a40ad1a3ecfe75db59b27956b256c4ad02f000be2aa13c7abd32fba3 glib-2.29.90.tar.xz I consider this to be (almost) a release candidate. There is probably a bug in GSettings that is causing lots of problems with

Re: Can g_file_monitor_file () report events from before it was created?

2011-09-06 Thread Peter Clifton
On Tue, 2011-09-06 at 01:42 +0100, Peter Clifton wrote: --=-1PQvPQuhjpa09GLvybFI Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I'm working on some code to monitor for file changes in our application, and ran into a bit of a problem today with the

Alt and Command keys in the quartz backend

2011-09-06 Thread Michael Natterer
Hi all, Currently, the mapping of the Alt and Command keys on the mac is completely screwed: - The key labeled Command maps to GDK_MOD1_MASK (which is essentially interpreted as Alt by all existing code) - The key labeled Alt isn't mapped to any modifier at all Now there is a lot of

Re: Alt and Command keys in the quartz backend

2011-09-06 Thread John Ralls
On Sep 6, 2011, at 1:27 AM, Michael Natterer wrote: Hi all, Currently, the mapping of the Alt and Command keys on the mac is completely screwed: - The key labeled Command maps to GDK_MOD1_MASK (which is essentially interpreted as Alt by all existing code) - The key labeled Alt isn't

Re: Alt and Command keys in the quartz backend

2011-09-06 Thread Michael Natterer
On Tue, 2011-09-06 at 06:37 -0700, John Ralls wrote: On Sep 6, 2011, at 1:27 AM, Michael Natterer wrote: Hi all, Currently, the mapping of the Alt and Command keys on the mac is completely screwed: - The key labeled Command maps to GDK_MOD1_MASK (which is essentially

Re: GLib plans for next cycle

2011-09-06 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On 09/06/11 10:05, Alexander Larsson wrote: On Thu, 2011-09-01 at 15:16 -0600, Ryan Lortie wrote: Another option is to use library load constructors to run the initialisation we need to do. That's certainly possible on Windows systems and anything using GCC. I'm not sure if it's possible to

Re: GTK+ 4.0 and Clutter 2.0: rainbows and unicorns

2011-09-06 Thread Benjamin Otte
Emmanuele Bassi ebassi at gmail.com writes: a) drop GTK+, move to Clutter and port the complex widges over; b) re-implement Clutter inside GTK+; c) use Clutter between GDK and GTK+; I would translate that as: a) tell GTK developers their code is crap b) tell Clutter developers their

Re: GLib plans for next cycle

2011-09-06 Thread Ryan Lortie
On Tue, 2011-09-06 at 10:14 -0400, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: In HarfBuzz I'm using the C++ compiler without linking to libstdc++. I found it as very rewarding experience. You get library constructor/destructors for free there. I think this approach to library design has serious merit worth

GLib 2.29.90

2011-09-06 Thread Ryan Lortie
GLib 2.29.90 is ready. http://download.gnome.org/sources/glib/2.29/ 95af3f46a40ad1a3ecfe75db59b27956b256c4ad02f000be2aa13c7abd32fba3 glib-2.29.90.tar.xz I consider this to be (almost) a release candidate. There is probably a bug in GSettings that is causing lots of problems with

GLib 2.30 branch

2011-09-06 Thread Ryan Lortie
hi, GLib has branched for the stable release ('glib-2-30'). All translation effort should be focused there (since this is what will appear in GNOME 3.2). The branch is to be considered frozen for code changes, except by approval. Thanks ___

Re: GLib plans for next cycle

2011-09-06 Thread Alexander Larsson
On Tue, 2011-09-06 at 10:48 -0400, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: On 09/06/11 10:42, Ryan Lortie wrote: On Tue, 2011-09-06 at 10:14 -0400, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: In HarfBuzz I'm using the C++ compiler without linking to libstdc++. I found it as very rewarding experience. You get library

Re: GTK+ 4.0 and Clutter 2.0: rainbows and unicorns

2011-09-06 Thread Tristan Van Berkom
Exciting topic. Just a few comments scattered through the email... On Tue, 2011-09-06 at 14:26 +, Benjamin Otte wrote: Emmanuele Bassi ebassi at gmail.com writes: a) drop GTK+, move to Clutter and port the complex widges over; b) re-implement Clutter inside GTK+; c) use

Re: Alt and Command keys in the quartz backend

2011-09-06 Thread John Ralls
On Sep 6, 2011, at 6:53 AM, Michael Natterer wrote: On Tue, 2011-09-06 at 06:37 -0700, John Ralls wrote: On Sep 6, 2011, at 1:27 AM, Michael Natterer wrote: Hi all, Currently, the mapping of the Alt and Command keys on the mac is completely screwed: - The key labeled Command maps to

Bug 658098 - no way to specify optional domain field in gvfs password dialog

2011-09-06 Thread Michal Suchanek
Hello, The fix to this issue is quite trivial but requires patching all three of glib, gvfs, gtk. Also it is not quite obvious that replacing the old NEED_DOMAIN with HAS_DOMAIN is the best thing. Any opinions? Thanks Michal Description: Upstream changes introduced in version 2.28.6-2dom1

Re: Alt and Command keys in the quartz backend

2011-09-06 Thread Michael Natterer
On Tue, 2011-09-06 at 08:27 -0700, John Ralls wrote: On Sep 6, 2011, at 6:53 AM, Michael Natterer wrote: On Tue, 2011-09-06 at 06:37 -0700, John Ralls wrote: On Sep 6, 2011, at 1:27 AM, Michael Natterer wrote: Hi all, Currently, the mapping of the Alt and Command keys on the mac

Re: Alt and Command keys in the quartz backend

2011-09-06 Thread Michael Natterer
On Tue, 2011-09-06 at 12:58 -0400, Paul Davis wrote: On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 12:49 PM, Michael Natterer mi...@gimp.org wrote: On Tue, 2011-09-06 at 08:27 -0700, John Ralls wrote: [ ... imminent turf war ... ] this seems to be about two different things, neither of which are in conflict

Re: GTK+ 4.0 and Clutter 2.0: rainbows and unicorns

2011-09-06 Thread Emmanuele Bassi
hi Benjamin; it's going to be a long email... :-) On 2011-09-06 at 14:26, Benjamin Otte wrote: Emmanuele Bassi ebassi at gmail.com writes: a) drop GTK+, move to Clutter and port the complex widges over; b) re-implement Clutter inside GTK+; c) use Clutter between GDK and GTK+;

GTK and OSX: a call to sanity

2011-09-06 Thread Emmanuele Bassi
okay, I've tried to get ahold of the gtk-osx project for a while, now, but since sf.net is just a joke and decided to reject my @gmail.com emails, let's try here. can we *please* stop this madness: 17:05 CIA-8 jralls quartz-integration * r7e37d94f2178 gtk+/ (10 files in 4 dirs):

Re: Alt and Command keys in the quartz backend

2011-09-06 Thread John Ralls
On Sep 6, 2011, at 9:58 AM, Paul Davis wrote: On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 12:49 PM, Michael Natterer mi...@gimp.org wrote: On Tue, 2011-09-06 at 08:27 -0700, John Ralls wrote: [ ... imminent turf war ... ] this seems to be about two different things, neither of which are in conflict (and i

Re: GTK and OSX: a call to sanity

2011-09-06 Thread Paul Davis
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 2:12 PM, Emmanuele Bassi eba...@gmail.com wrote: okay, I've tried to get ahold of the gtk-osx project for a while, now, but since sf.net is just a joke and decided to reject my @gmail.com emails, let's try here. can we *please* stop this madness: 17:05 CIA-8 jralls

Re: Alt and Command keys in the quartz backend

2011-09-06 Thread John Ralls
On Sep 6, 2011, at 10:42 AM, Michael Natterer wrote: On Tue, 2011-09-06 at 12:58 -0400, Paul Davis wrote: On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 12:49 PM, Michael Natterer mi...@gimp.org wrote: On Tue, 2011-09-06 at 08:27 -0700, John Ralls wrote: [ ... imminent turf war ... ] this seems to be about two

Re: GLib plans for next cycle

2011-09-06 Thread Kevin Fox
On Wed, 2011-08-31 at 12:17 -0700, David Zeuthen wrote: Hi, On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 1:06 PM, Ryan Lortie de...@desrt.ca wrote: - glib_get_worker_context() s/glib/g/ ? glib_* sounds like it's for glib-internal-only use, which I don't see any reason for. It's definitely useful outside

Re: Alt and Command keys in the quartz backend

2011-09-06 Thread Kristian Rietveld
On Sep 6, 2011, at 6:58 PM, Paul Davis wrote: this seems to be about two different things, neither of which are in conflict (and i think john actually agrees with this). 1) whether or not the Alt key should generate MOD1 as a modifier 2) whether or not code that wants to be cross-platform

Re: Alt and Command keys in the quartz backend

2011-09-06 Thread Michael Natterer
On Tue, 2011-09-06 at 21:51 +0200, Kristian Rietveld wrote: On Sep 6, 2011, at 6:58 PM, Paul Davis wrote: this seems to be about two different things, neither of which are in conflict (and i think john actually agrees with this). 1) whether or not the Alt key should generate MOD1 as a

Re: GTK and OSX: a call to sanity

2011-09-06 Thread John Ralls
On Sep 6, 2011, at 11:12 AM, Emmanuele Bassi wrote: okay, I've tried to get ahold of the gtk-osx project for a while, now, but since sf.net is just a joke and decided to reject my @gmail.com emails, let's try here. can we *please* stop this madness: 17:05 CIA-8 jralls

Re: Alt and Command keys in the quartz backend

2011-09-06 Thread John Ralls
On Sep 6, 2011, at 12:10 PM, Michael Natterer wrote: On Tue, 2011-09-06 at 11:57 -0700, John Ralls wrote: On Sep 6, 2011, at 10:42 AM, Michael Natterer wrote: On Tue, 2011-09-06 at 12:58 -0400, Paul Davis wrote: On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 12:49 PM, Michael Natterer mi...@gimp.org wrote: On

Re: Alt and Command keys in the quartz backend

2011-09-06 Thread Paul Davis
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 5:30 PM, John Ralls jra...@ceridwen.us wrote: Nothing is wrong with alt being mapped to GDK_MOD1_MASK so long as NSCommandKey is also mapped to GDK_MOD1_MASK. Why do you object to that? Is it that the GIMP documenters don't want to write (Command-foo on Macs) next to

Re: Alt and Command keys in the quartz backend

2011-09-06 Thread John Ralls
On Sep 6, 2011, at 1:13 PM, Michael Natterer wrote: On Tue, 2011-09-06 at 21:51 +0200, Kristian Rietveld wrote: On Sep 6, 2011, at 6:58 PM, Paul Davis wrote: this seems to be about two different things, neither of which are in conflict (and i think john actually agrees with this). 1)

Re: Alt and Command keys in the quartz backend

2011-09-06 Thread Paul Davis
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 5:51 PM, John Ralls jra...@ceridwen.us wrote: Uh, won't hard coding gtk-enable-mnemonics=FALSE (I suppose you mean the GtkSettings property, and that you propose to do it inside of some sort of a runtime check for the quartz backend) mean that all keybindings,

Re: GTK and OSX: a call to sanity

2011-09-06 Thread Emmanuele Bassi
On 2011-09-06 at 13:32, John Ralls wrote: if there are patches for gtk-quartz, why are these inside at least three branches instead of being committed to corresponding main line one? why are these branch continuously being merged instead of being rebased, if they are personal branches?

Re: GTK and OSX: a call to sanity

2011-09-06 Thread Paul Davis
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 6:07 PM, Emmanuele Bassi eba...@gmail.com wrote: otherwise you're just forking gtk, and using the resources of the gtk project to give an aura of officiality to what is essentially your own personal project. I'd politely request that you stop using this tone in

Sharing the places sidebar between Nautilus and GTK+

2011-09-06 Thread Federico Mena Quintero
Hi, everyone, There is a patch in [1], by Jon McCann, to make the shortcuts bar in GtkFileChooser be pretty much the same as the one in Nautilus. Rather than patch the wobbly edifice that is gtkfilechooserdefault.c, this sounds like the perfect time to actually pull out the shortcuts bar as a

Re: Alt and Command keys in the quartz backend

2011-09-06 Thread Michael Natterer
On Tue, 2011-09-06 at 14:30 -0700, John Ralls wrote: On Sep 6, 2011, at 12:10 PM, Michael Natterer wrote: On Tue, 2011-09-06 at 11:57 -0700, John Ralls wrote: On Sep 6, 2011, at 10:42 AM, Michael Natterer wrote: On Tue, 2011-09-06 at 12:58 -0400, Paul Davis wrote: On Tue, Sep 6, 2011

Re: Alt and Command keys in the quartz backend

2011-09-06 Thread Paul Davis
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 6:46 PM, Michael Natterer mi...@gimp.org wrote: Nobody uses Alt for accelerators, I don't think we are talking about the same things here, in GTK+:

Re: GTK and OSX: a call to sanity

2011-09-06 Thread John Ralls
On Sep 6, 2011, at 3:07 PM, Emmanuele Bassi wrote: On 2011-09-06 at 13:32, John Ralls wrote: if there are patches for gtk-quartz, why are these inside at least three branches instead of being committed to corresponding main line one? why are these branch continuously being merged instead

Re: Alt and Command keys in the quartz backend

2011-09-06 Thread John Ralls
On Sep 6, 2011, at 3:46 PM, Michael Natterer wrote: On Tue, 2011-09-06 at 14:30 -0700, John Ralls wrote: On Sep 6, 2011, at 12:10 PM, Michael Natterer wrote: On Tue, 2011-09-06 at 11:57 -0700, John Ralls wrote: On Sep 6, 2011, at 10:42 AM, Michael Natterer wrote: On Tue, 2011-09-06 at

Re: Sharing the places sidebar between Nautilus and GTK+

2011-09-06 Thread Jannis Pohlmann
On Tue, 06 Sep 2011 17:44:01 -0500 Federico Mena Quintero feder...@gnome.org wrote: Hi, everyone, There is a patch in [1], by Jon McCann, to make the shortcuts bar in GtkFileChooser be pretty much the same as the one in Nautilus. Rather than patch the wobbly edifice that is

Re: Sharing the places sidebar between Nautilus and GTK+

2011-09-06 Thread Jannis Pohlmann
On Wed, 7 Sep 2011 01:53:44 +0200 Jannis Pohlmann jan...@xfce.org wrote: (snip) On the other hand it is fun to use and shows how the places sidebar *could* work IMHO: (snip) BTW, here's a (possibly incomplete) list of features we're aiming at with the new Thunar sidebar. I think they are