I have been asked to chime in here again...
After re-reading this whole thread, and some of the bugzilla
discussion, I come away with a lot of sympathy for Davids basic
approach, which I understood as follows:
Have an api that lets us do dbus calls using 'native' types (probably
with some way to
On Thu, 7 May 2009 23:32:05 -0400 Matthias Clasen wrote:
- Find a more suitable name for GVariant, maybe. Havoc had
'GBinaryValue' earlier...
GSerializedValue? A bit long... GFlatValue? GComplexValue? (eh.)
-brian
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On Sat, 02 May 2009 at 13:02:39 -0400, David Zeuthen wrote:
My view is that it's not really realistic to do this, I think it's
a convenient thing that I can get/pass well-known data-types like
GHashTable or GPtrArray from/to remote objects. This allows adding
D-Bus support to
On Mon, 2009-05-04 at 13:26 +0100, Simon McVittie wrote:
On Sat, 02 May 2009 at 13:02:39 -0400, David Zeuthen wrote:
My view is that it's not really realistic to do this, I think it's
a convenient thing that I can get/pass well-known data-types like
GHashTable or GPtrArray from/to
On Mon, 04 May 2009 at 10:25:06 -0400, David Zeuthen wrote:
In contrast, most D-Bus clients that I write these days are not based on
the stick GValue in GHashTable, use GValueArray as a struct design
because it's just incredibly awkward to work with.
You're clearly not happy with the
2009/5/4 Simon McVittie simon.mcvit...@collabora.co.uk:
On Sat, 02 May 2009 at 13:02:39 -0400, David Zeuthen wrote:
o I'm worried that GVariant supports a superset of the D-Bus
protocol.
Right, ideally GVariant as merged in GLib should support exactly the D-Bus
protocol (either by code
On Mon, 04 May 2009 at 20:30:13 +0200, Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen wrote:
2009/5/4 Simon McVittie simon.mcvit...@collabora.co.uk:
On Sat, 02 May 2009 at 13:02:39 -0400, David Zeuthen wrote:
o I'm worried that GVariant supports a superset of the D-Bus
protocol.
Right, ideally GVariant
On Mon, 2009-05-04 at 19:12 +0100, Simon McVittie wrote:
You're clearly not happy with the representations chosen by dbus-glib
(and I agree that they're not so good - they rarely match an existing
API, and they don't match the real D-Bus data model either).
I hope I'm misunderstanding your
Hey Ryan,
I took a closer look at GVariant today so here are some more comments,
take them, leave them or do whatever you want with them ;-)
Most of these comments are general but, for other readers, it might help
to also read the conversations in
Hi,
On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 1:02 PM, David Zeuthen da...@fubar.dk wrote:
o It seems like you (or Simon or both) expect GVariant to be the only
container type in town for C bindings for D-Bus (as per the D-Bus
library bug report). E.g. you expect the C programmers to deal with
a{ss} as a
On Sat, 2009-05-02 at 13:35 -0400, Havoc Pennington wrote:
Hi,
On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 1:02 PM, David Zeuthen da...@fubar.dk wrote:
o It seems like you (or Simon or both) expect GVariant to be the only
container type in town for C bindings for D-Bus (as per the D-Bus
library bug
2009/4/9 Dan Winship d...@gnome.org:
Ryan Lortie wrote:
The type system, of course, is that of DBus.
I love your feedback. Please give it all to me.
I took at a look at GVariant from the perspective of could I make
libsoup's XML-RPC (and future JSON) code use GVariant instead of
GValue.
Hi,
On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 7:45 AM, Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen
mikkel.kamst...@gmail.com wrote:
* I really hope there is room in GVariant for NULL values in some way
or other. Without a NULL it is hard to map stuff from an SQL DB
directly to the serialization format without nasty hacks. This
From: Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen, Date: 13/04/2009 21:45, Wrote:
How about dropping GVariant data in a human readable form to a
file? I often find myself in the following scenario: I have data that
is really not well suited for GConf and can't fit in a GKeyFile, and I
also want to allow
Hi,
On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 3:00 PM, Ryan Lortie de...@desrt.ca wrote:
GVariant has nullable (maybe) types which were a proposed extension to
DBus some time ago but never materialised. iirc, Havoc, you had a
favourable opinion of this extension but wasn't sure exactly how we'd handle
the
Hi,
On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 3:00 PM, Ryan Lortie de...@desrt.ca wrote:
- dictionary entries in GVariant can stand freely (ie: they are not
restricted to being contained in an array).
What does it mean if you have a free-floating dict entry? Are you
supposed to treat as a dict with one
Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen wrote:
I have been silently anticipating GVariant for a while now and I am
very happy to see it coming forth now. I am bit in the same camp as
Dan here... My primary interest is not necessarily passing GVariants
over DBus (although I would also love to do that), but
Havoc Pennington wrote:
Reading the gvariant and gbus source btw, this would be somewhat
misleading at the moment; gvariant's type system is a dbus superset,
and its serialization format is a proposed dbus v2 format that may
or may not ever get used by dbus. (One of the main barriers being that
On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 at 15:56:36 -0400, Havoc Pennington wrote:
It looked like you might allow non-string dict keys, was one I noticed.
Er, so does D-Bus... Telepathy uses a{uu} in at least one place.
I personally think D-Bus has about the right balance for what to allow as a
key in a dict (any
Hi,
On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 4:32 PM, Simon McVittie
simon.mcvit...@collabora.co.uk wrote:
On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 at 15:56:36 -0400, Havoc Pennington wrote:
It looked like you might allow non-string dict keys, was one I noticed.
Er, so does D-Bus... Telepathy uses a{uu} in at least one place.
I
Havoc Pennington wrote:
Hi,
On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 4:32 PM, Simon McVittie
simon.mcvit...@collabora.co.uk wrote:
On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 at 15:56:36 -0400, Havoc Pennington wrote:
It looked like you might allow non-string dict keys, was one I noticed.
Er, so does D-Bus... Telepathy uses a{uu}
Am Sat, 11 Apr 2009 13:55:36 -0400
schrieb Havoc Pennington havoc.penning...@gmail.com:
Hi,
On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 11:06 AM, Matthias Clasen
matthias.cla...@gmail.com wrote:
What David is saying (and I'm sure you understood) is that glib
already comes with a type system, namely GType.
Hi,
On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 9:14 AM, Christian Dywan christ...@imendio.com wrote:
You are asserting that something like a gint or guint is not
something that can be saved to disk.
I'm not saying that; I'm saying they can only be saved to disk by
converting them to a fixed-size integer.
int is
Hi,
On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 9:14 AM, Christian Dywan christ...@imendio.com wrote:
Using G_TYPE_FOO in the API is imho a lot more agreeable than any new
string signature. Sure it's more to type, but at the same time it's
more comprehensible. :)
I don't disagree for C. One thing to note
Hi,
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 11:38 AM, Dan Winship d...@gnome.org wrote:
So, my feedback is, if the type system is explicitly just D-Bus and
nothing else, shouldn't it be called GDBusType or something? (I'm not
saying it's *bad* that it's D-Bus-specific, just that it should be more
explicit
On Sun, 2009-04-12 at 14:55 -0400, Havoc Pennington wrote:
Hi,
On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 9:14 AM, Christian Dywan christ...@imendio.com
wrote:
You are asserting that something like a gint or guint is not
something that can be saved to disk.
I'm not saying that; I'm saying they can only
On Thu, 2009-04-09 at 11:38 -0400, Dan Winship wrote:
Ryan Lortie wrote:
The type system, of course, is that of DBus.
I love your feedback. Please give it all to me.
I took at a look at GVariant from the perspective of could I make
libsoup's XML-RPC (and future JSON) code use GVariant
Dan Winship wrote:
(Alternate possibility: add a way to include type tags, so that callers
and callees can agree that a particular x is to be treated as a time_t
and not a generic int64. Eg, a signature of :x would mean a (string)
type tag followed by an int64, but it would be distinct from sx
Ryan Lortie wrote:
Dan Winship wrote:
(Alternate possibility: add a way to include type tags, so that callers
and callees can agree that a particular x is to be treated as a time_t
and not a generic int64. Eg, a signature of :x would mean a (string)
type tag followed by an int64, but it would
On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 5:22 PM, Ryan Lortie de...@desrt.ca wrote:
Hi David
Thanks for your reply.
David Zeuthen wrote:
- GVariant brings in a completely new type system
That's not entirely true. The DBus type system is being used and loved by
many people already and GVariant is using
Hi,
On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 11:06 AM, Matthias Clasen
matthias.cla...@gmail.com wrote:
What David is saying (and I'm sure you understood) is that glib
already comes with a type system, namely GType. Adding a completely
separate one next to it in the same module is problematic, even if it
is
Hi,
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 11:38 AM, Dan Winship d...@gnome.org wrote:
So, my feedback is, if the type system is explicitly just D-Bus and
nothing else, shouldn't it be called GDBusType or something? (I'm not
saying it's *bad* that it's D-Bus-specific, just that it should be more
explicit
Ryan Lortie wrote:
The type system, of course, is that of DBus.
I love your feedback. Please give it all to me.
I took at a look at GVariant from the perspective of could I make
libsoup's XML-RPC (and future JSON) code use GVariant instead of
GValue. (For more background, see the thread
2009/4/8 Ryan Lortie de...@desrt.ca:
Hello Everyone!
I'm proposing GVariant for inclusion in glib this cycle.
Nice! At last! All hail to desrt :-D
I've created a 'gvariant' branch of glib and pushed it to the official
repository.
For those who don't know what GVariant is, please see the
Hey Ryan,
On Wed, 2009-04-08 at 10:17 -0400, Ryan Lortie wrote:
Hello Everyone!
I'm proposing GVariant for inclusion in glib this cycle.
I've created a 'gvariant' branch of glib and pushed it to the official
repository.
For those who don't know what GVariant is, please see the
Hi David
Thanks for your reply.
David Zeuthen wrote:
- GVariant brings in a completely new type system
That's not entirely true. The DBus type system is being used and loved
by many people already and GVariant is using that type system. GVariant
merely brings this type system into glib.
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