Re: Callback based tooltips (Re: New tooltips API, continued)

2006-06-02 Thread Kristian Rietveld
On Thu, Jun 01, 2006 at 05:16:51PM +0200, Tim Janik wrote: On Wed, 31 May 2006, Kristian Rietveld wrote: On Tue, Apr 25, 2006 at 03:08:12PM +0200, Soeren Sandmann wrote: I once wrote down how tooltips should behave: I mostly like the behaviour you described below. - Tooltips are

Re: Callback based tooltips (Re: New tooltips API, continued)

2006-06-01 Thread Tommi Komulainen
On 6/1/06, Tim Janik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 31 May 2006, Kristian Rietveld wrote: On Tue, Apr 25, 2006 at 03:08:12PM +0200, Soeren Sandmann wrote: I once wrote down how tooltips should behave: I mostly like the behaviour you described below. - Tooltips are too intrusive.

Re: Callback based tooltips (Re: New tooltips API, continued)

2006-05-31 Thread Kristian Rietveld
On Tue, Apr 25, 2006 at 03:08:12PM +0200, Soeren Sandmann wrote: I once wrote down how tooltips should behave: I mostly like the behaviour you described below. - Tooltips are too intrusive. The text should be smaller, and they should to the right of the cursor, and a little

Re: Callback based tooltips (Re: New tooltips API, continued)

2006-04-25 Thread Matthias Clasen
On 4/25/06, Tim Janik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i don't think there's a point in implementing grouping unless the above question has been answered, i.e. we've gotten a resonable usage scenario. so until that happens, it's probably best to leave groups out of the API spec. Well, one reason would

Re: Callback based tooltips (Re: New tooltips API, continued)

2006-04-25 Thread Soeren Sandmann
Matthias Clasen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 4/25/06, Tim Janik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i don't think there's a point in implementing grouping unless the above question has been answered, i.e. we've gotten a resonable usage scenario. so until that happens, it's probably best to leave

Re: Callback based tooltips (Re: New tooltips API, continued)

2006-04-25 Thread Tim Janik
On Tue, 25 Apr 2006, Matthias Clasen wrote: On 4/25/06, Tim Janik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i don't think there's a point in implementing grouping unless the above question has been answered, i.e. we've gotten a resonable usage scenario. so until that happens, it's probably best to leave groups

Re: Callback based tooltips (Re: New tooltips API, continued)

2006-04-25 Thread Tim Janik
On Tue, 25 Apr 2006, Soeren Sandmann wrote: Matthias Clasen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 4/25/06, Tim Janik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i don't think there's a point in implementing grouping unless the above question has been answered, i.e. we've gotten a resonable usage scenario. so until that

Re: Callback based tooltips (Re: New tooltips API, continued)

2006-04-25 Thread Soeren Sandmann
Tim Janik [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That's because that feature simply doesn't work. Moving the mouse to a tooltip-less area does not turn off fast mode as it should, regardless of grouping. well, given that behaviour is implemented, there's no need for seperate groups, right? I am not

Re: Callback based tooltips (Re: New tooltips API, continued)

2006-04-25 Thread Tim Janik
On Tue, 25 Apr 2006, Soeren Sandmann wrote: Tim Janik [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That's because that feature simply doesn't work. Moving the mouse to a tooltip-less area does not turn off fast mode as it should, regardless of grouping. well, given that behaviour is implemented, there's no

Re: Callback based tooltips (Re: New tooltips API, continued)

2006-04-25 Thread Petr Tomasek
I once wrote down how tooltips should behave: Tooltips: - - Tooltips are too intrusive. The text should be smaller, and they should to the right of the cursor, and a little below the cursor's center. |\ ___

Re: Callback based tooltips (Re: New tooltips API, continued)

2006-04-25 Thread Matthias Clasen
On 4/25/06, Tim Janik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: well, given that behaviour is implemented, there's no need for seperate groups, right? The behaviour described by soeren does indeed sound like it may make tooltips groups unnecessary. I've asked Owen if he can describe the original motivation for

Re: Callback based tooltips (Re: New tooltips API, continued)

2006-04-11 Thread Kristian Rietveld
Tim Janik wrote: reading your proposal for the first time (both versions of it), i can't help the feeling that it seems a bit complicated (with nesting tip areas etc.) at least from a widget user perspective. i'm wondering if a callback based approach wouldn't ease the whole setup a lot, so

Re: Callback based tooltips (Re: New tooltips API, continued)

2006-04-07 Thread Martyn Russell
On Thu, 2006-04-06 at 10:00 +0200, Tim Janik wrote: On Thu, 6 Apr 2006, Alex Graveley wrote: I sounds good to me, as long as I can force a tooltip to display on-demand as it would if the mouse were hovering over it. hm, can you please explain the use case for forefully displaying

Re: Callback based tooltips (Re: New tooltips API, continued)

2006-04-06 Thread Alex Graveley
I sounds good to me, as long as I can force a tooltip to display on-demand as it would if the mouse were hovering over it. -Alex Tim Janik wrote: On Tue, 14 Mar 2006, Kristian Rietveld wrote: Hey, [...] hi kris. reading your proposal for the first time (both versions of it), i can't

Re: Callback based tooltips (Re: New tooltips API, continued)

2006-04-06 Thread Tim Janik
On Thu, 6 Apr 2006, Alex Graveley wrote: I sounds good to me, as long as I can force a tooltip to display on-demand as it would if the mouse were hovering over it. hm, can you please explain the use case for forefully displaying tooltips? as opposed to waiting for the usual user

Re: Callback based tooltips (Re: New tooltips API, continued)

2006-04-06 Thread Tim Janik
On Thu, 6 Apr 2006, Brijesh wrote: I can give use case where i need tooltip when i tell it to display i am gtk on one of the embedded plateform in which we dont have mouse. we have only keyboard. so when button gets focused , i want to display tooltip. how do i do it? i think that could

Re: Callback based tooltips (Re: New tooltips API, continued)

2006-04-06 Thread Yevgen Muntyan
Tim Janik wrote: hm, can you please explain the use case for forefully displaying tooltips? as opposed to waiting for the usual user configurable timeout and honour user settings like display-tooltips = off ? Such a use case would not necessarily ignore user settings. It could be a canvas,

Re: Callback based tooltips (Re: New tooltips API, continued)

2006-04-06 Thread Tim Janik
On Thu, 6 Apr 2006, Yevgen Muntyan wrote: Tim Janik wrote: hm, can you please explain the use case for forefully displaying tooltips? as opposed to waiting for the usual user configurable timeout and honour user settings like display-tooltips = off ? Such a use case would not necessarily

Re: Callback based tooltips (Re: New tooltips API, continued)

2006-04-06 Thread Calum Benson
On 6 Apr 2006, at 09:00, Tim Janik wrote: On Thu, 6 Apr 2006, Alex Graveley wrote: I sounds good to me, as long as I can force a tooltip to display on-demand as it would if the mouse were hovering over it. hm, can you please explain the use case for forefully displaying tooltips? as

Re: Callback based tooltips (Re: New tooltips API, continued)

2006-04-06 Thread Calum Benson
On 6 Apr 2006, at 15:59, Calum Benson wrote: Haven't really been following this discussion, but I hope people are remembering that in gtk, tooltips are supposed to be available on demand from the keyboard (by pressing Shift-F1), Sorry, Ctrl+F1... -- CALUM BENSON, Usability Engineer