Re: Sudden Tango changes in trunk

2007-03-28 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Wed, 2007-03-28 at 12:49 +0200, Jakub Steiner wrote: On Wed, 2007-03-28 at 11:45 +0200, Kristian Rietveld wrote: Dear All, When updating trunk over the weekend I was surprised by two commits replacing/overwriting old icons with new tango ones. Before I had a chance to mail to this

Re: Sudden Tango changes in trunk

2007-03-28 Thread Kristian Rietveld
On Wed, Mar 28, 2007 at 12:49:44PM +0200, Jakub Steiner wrote: To be honest I don't want to bother with all this work to provide an 'alternative' icon theme. The unique gnome 2.0 style make gtk apps on platforms such as MS Windows or Mac OS X totally out of place. I'm quite sad to see you hold

Re: Sudden Tango changes in trunk

2007-03-28 Thread Kristian Rietveld
On Wed, Mar 28, 2007 at 09:00:49AM -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: For anything that runs under gnome or another icon-theme-spec using desktop, this should not be an issue, I think, because icon themes already replace all the stock gtk icons to match their style. So, for anything else it might

Re: Sudden Tango changes in trunk

2007-03-28 Thread Kristian Rietveld
On Wed, Mar 28, 2007 at 02:59:48PM +0200, Jakub Steiner wrote: I'm flattered the old style has created such a strong emotional link with the gtk+ developers, but I think they served it purpose. We don't keep the 1.2 stock for sentimental reasons, and I don't see why we should do that for the

Re: Sudden Tango changes in trunk

2007-03-28 Thread Jakub Steiner
On Wed, 2007-03-28 at 09:00 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: It could be a concern on win32 or in embedded scenarios. Although most embedded GTK+ uses probably have custom builds of GTK+, so they can easily replace the stock icons with something that works better on their platform. We could

Re: Sudden Tango changes in trunk

2007-03-28 Thread Andreas Nilsson
Kristian Rietveld wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2007 at 12:49:44PM +0200, Jakub Steiner wrote: To be honest I don't want to bother with all this work to provide an 'alternative' icon theme. The unique gnome 2.0 style make gtk apps on platforms such as MS Windows or Mac OS X totally out of place.

Re: Sudden Tango changes in trunk

2007-03-28 Thread Tristan Van Berkom
On Wed, 2007-03-28 at 16:38 +0200, Kristian Rietveld wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2007 at 12:49:44PM +0200, Jakub Steiner wrote: [...] The concern which I want to raise, and which I already did in my previous mail, is the following: Does updating icons account as a break of backward compatibility?.

Re: Sudden Tango changes in trunk

2007-03-28 Thread Martyn Russell
Tristan Van Berkom wrote: On Wed, 2007-03-28 at 16:38 +0200, Kristian Rietveld wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2007 at 12:49:44PM +0200, Jakub Steiner wrote: [...] The concern which I want to raise, and which I already did in my previous mail, is the following: Does updating icons account as a break

Re: Sudden Tango changes in trunk

2007-03-28 Thread Michael Natterer
On Wed, 2007-03-28 at 16:34 +0100, Martyn Russell wrote: Tristan Van Berkom wrote: On Wed, 2007-03-28 at 16:38 +0200, Kristian Rietveld wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2007 at 12:49:44PM +0200, Jakub Steiner wrote: [...] The concern which I want to raise, and which I already did in my previous

Re: Sudden Tango changes in trunk

2007-03-28 Thread Yevgen Muntyan
Tristan Van Berkom wrote: On Wed, 2007-03-28 at 16:38 +0200, Kristian Rietveld wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2007 at 12:49:44PM +0200, Jakub Steiner wrote: [...] The concern which I want to raise, and which I already did in my previous mail, is the following: Does updating icons

Re: Sudden Tango changes in trunk

2007-03-28 Thread Tristan Van Berkom
On Wed, 2007-03-28 at 10:47 -0500, Yevgen Muntyan wrote: Tristan Van Berkom wrote: [...] I think it is clear that if you use gtk-foo icon for bar then you're misusing it. But let's not forget about the reasons for doing it: there may simply be no other alternative other than no icon at all.

Re: Sudden Tango changes in trunk

2007-03-28 Thread Yevgen Muntyan
Tristan Van Berkom wrote: On Wed, 2007-03-28 at 10:47 -0500, Yevgen Muntyan wrote: Tristan Van Berkom wrote: [...] I think it is clear that if you use gtk-foo icon for bar then you're misusing it. But let's not forget about the reasons for doing it: there may simply be no other

Re: Sudden Tango changes in trunk

2007-03-28 Thread Tristan Van Berkom
On Wed, 2007-03-28 at 11:33 -0500, Yevgen Muntyan wrote: Tristan Van Berkom wrote: On Wed, 2007-03-28 at 10:47 -0500, Yevgen Muntyan wrote: [...] We can install our own icons for the corner cases that exist only for our applications Um, we can do that only if we have the icon. And that's

Re: Sudden Tango changes in trunk

2007-03-28 Thread Brian J. Tarricone
On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 12:49:44 +0200 Jakub Steiner wrote: To be honest I don't want to bother with all this work to provide an 'alternative' icon theme. The unique gnome 2.0 style make gtk apps on platforms such as MS Windows or Mac OS X totally out of place. I'm quite sad to see you hold on to

Re: Sudden Tango changes in trunk

2007-03-28 Thread Vincent Geddes
On Wed, 2007-03-28 at 10:10 -0700, Brian J. Tarricone wrote: On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 12:49:44 +0200 Jakub Steiner wrote: To be honest I don't want to bother with all this work to provide an 'alternative' icon theme. The unique gnome 2.0 style make gtk apps on platforms such as MS Windows or Mac

Re: Sudden Tango changes in trunk

2007-03-28 Thread Alex Jones
This wouldn't work too well. MS Windows just doesn't have much of an icon style to begin with. Microsoft seem to rework their icons for each new Windows release, causing a lot of visual disparity among all the applications targeted towards the platform. In short, creating special MS-Windows

Re: Sudden Tango changes in trunk

2007-03-28 Thread Cody Russell
On Wed, 2007-03-28 at 20:00 +0100, Alex Jones wrote: This wouldn't work too well. MS Windows just doesn't have much of an icon style to begin with. Microsoft seem to rework their icons for each new Windows release, causing a lot of visual disparity among all the applications targeted

Re: Sudden Tango changes in trunk

2007-03-28 Thread Yevgen Muntyan
Tristan Van Berkom wrote: On Wed, 2007-03-28 at 11:33 -0500, Yevgen Muntyan wrote: Tristan Van Berkom wrote: On Wed, 2007-03-28 at 10:47 -0500, Yevgen Muntyan wrote: [...] We can install our own icons for the corner cases that exist only for our applications

Re: Sudden Tango changes in trunk

2007-03-28 Thread Tristan Van Berkom
On Wed, 2007-03-28 at 15:32 -0500, Yevgen Muntyan wrote: Tristan Van Berkom wrote: On Wed, 2007-03-28 at 11:33 -0500, Yevgen Muntyan wrote: Tristan Van Berkom wrote: On Wed, 2007-03-28 at 10:47 -0500, Yevgen Muntyan wrote: [...] We can install our own icons for

Re: Sudden Tango changes in trunk

2007-03-28 Thread Michael L Torrie
On Wed, 2007-03-28 at 11:33 -0500, Yevgen Muntyan wrote: Um, we can do that only if we have the icon. And that's a problem. If someone volunteers to draw missing icons for me then I'll be glad, but until then I will use gtk-about for bookmarks and gtk-select-font for Configure Shortcuts

Re: Sudden Tango changes in trunk

2007-03-28 Thread Michael L Torrie
On Wed, 2007-03-28 at 20:00 +0100, Alex Jones wrote: This wouldn't work too well. MS Windows just doesn't have much of an icon style to begin with. Microsoft seem to rework their icons for each new Windows release, causing a lot of visual disparity among all the applications targeted

Re: Sudden Tango changes in trunk

2007-03-28 Thread Samuel Cormier-Iijima
Also, if you are using icons in ways other than they were designed for, you can always create a copy under another name so that changes in the user's theme (or an update of the default) won't mess up the visual look of your application. That's how I'm handling custom icons for my project, and it

Re: Sudden Tango changes in trunk

2007-03-28 Thread Yevgen Muntyan
On Wed, March 28, 2007 3:45 pm, Michael L Torrie wrote: On Wed, 2007-03-28 at 11:33 -0500, Yevgen Muntyan wrote: Um, we can do that only if we have the icon. And that's a problem. If someone volunteers to draw missing icons for me then I'll be glad, but until then I will use gtk-about for