Re: Fwd: How will cairo influence GTK's performance?

2005-07-21 Thread Richard Stellingwerff
On 7/20/05, Billy Biggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Richard Stellingwerff ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): FWIW, I noticed that GTK+2 performance is a LOT better on my Ati Mobility 9200 with DRI drivers than my NVidia FX5200 with nvidia drivers. Ati's proprietary drivers are just as slow as NVidia's, at

Re: Fwd: How will cairo influence GTK's performance?

2005-07-21 Thread Clemens Eisserer
With the DRI drivers however, resizing the window is a LOT smoother, and scrolling trough the entire page is smooth as silk, no matter how hard I pull that scrollbar :P Ofcourse, it would be better to have a real benchmark. One such app that could prove useful here, is GtkPerf

Re: Fwd: How will cairo influence GTK's performance?

2005-07-21 Thread Billy Biggs
Richard Stellingwerff ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Is there a way you could create a programmatic benchmark (or a command line that does not require user interaction)? User perception. But the difference is so huge, that I can tell with absolute certainty that it's there. I just can't give you

Re: Fwd: How will cairo influence GTK's performance?

2005-07-21 Thread Richard Stellingwerff
On 7/21/05, Billy Biggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Resizing mozilla tests your window manager and mozilla's rendering more than GTK+ itself. Correct, but both use GDK to draw their things, so what makes this different from any GTK widget, that uses GDK internally as well? However, since

Re: Fwd: How will cairo influence GTK's performance?

2005-07-21 Thread Billy Biggs
Richard Stellingwerff ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): On 7/21/05, Billy Biggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Resizing mozilla tests your window manager and mozilla's rendering more than GTK+ itself. Correct, but both use GDK to draw their things, so what makes this different from any GTK widget, that

Re: Fwd: How will cairo influence GTK's performance?

2005-07-21 Thread Antonio Gomes
Resizing mozilla tests your window manager and mozilla's rendering more than GTK+ itself. Correct, but both use GDK to draw their things, so what makes this different from any GTK widget, that uses GDK internally as well? AFAIK the mozilla family of browsers (both mozilla suite and

Re: Fwd: How will cairo influence GTK's performance?

2005-07-21 Thread Clemens Eisserer
AFAIK the mozilla family of browsers (both mozilla suite and firefox) use XUL as ui toolkit, not GTK. If it is the case, perhaps you should choice another app as benchmark for measure the gtk performance. XUL is just the description-format how widgets should be layouted - they use the

Re: Fwd: How will cairo influence GTK's performance?

2005-07-20 Thread Billy Biggs
Richard Stellingwerff ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): FWIW, I noticed that GTK+2 performance is a LOT better on my Ati Mobility 9200 with DRI drivers than my NVidia FX5200 with nvidia drivers. Ati's proprietary drivers are just as slow as NVidia's, at 2D performance. How are you measuring this? Is

Re: Fwd: How will cairo influence GTK's performance?

2005-07-19 Thread Billy Biggs
Clemens Eisserer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): The fact that pango could be responsible for the slowness I experience with mozilla and especially eclipse are proofen by the fact that low-level swt benchmarks show a compareable performance of primitive draing functions, only text is about 3-5x slower

Re: Fwd: How will cairo influence GTK's performance?

2005-07-19 Thread Richard Stellingwerff
FWIW, I noticed that GTK+2 performance is a LOT better on my Ati Mobility 9200 with DRI drivers than my NVidia FX5200 with nvidia drivers. Ati's proprietary drivers are just as slow as NVidia's, at 2D performance. When I turn subpixel rendering on, performance sucks on both machines, though.

How will cairo influence GTK's performance?

2005-07-18 Thread Clemens Eisserer
to speed up GTK, however I am a bit concerned wether tuning the x11 based backend does still make sence now when GTK is switching to cairo as rendering backend. (are there any numbers how cairo does influence gtk's performance?) Are there any know performance problems where man-power is needed? Thank you

Re: How will cairo influence GTK's performance?

2005-07-18 Thread Daniel Campos
safe but it didn't help a lot :-( I would be really interrested in helping to speed up GTK, however I am a bit concerned wether tuning the x11 based backend does still make sence now when GTK is switching to cairo as rendering backend. (are there any numbers how cairo does influence gtk's

Re: How will cairo influence GTK's performance?

2005-07-18 Thread Russell Shaw
Daniel Campos wrote: Pango seems to be quite slow, I agree with that... Clemens Eisserer escribió: Wouldn't it have something to do with client-side rendering the fonts then shipping all those pixels to the server? ___ gtk-list mailing list

Fwd: How will cairo influence GTK's performance?

2005-07-18 Thread Clemens Eisserer
First of all thanks for listening and not beeing angry ;-) Wouldn't it have something to do with client-side rendering the fonts then shipping all those pixels to the server? As far as I know pango only sends the pixels if no render-extension is available - if render is available it caches