Re: [h-cost] Viking alternate history--14thC/15thC Vinland?

What kinds of fibers would the scraelings have had to weave with? They didn't have sheep for wool, did they? And linen is an Old World crop and cotton doesn't grow that far north, as far as I know. I am completely ignorant of Native American costume from that region, so what would they have

[h-cost] Women in armor

Hi all, I was wondering if anyone here collects pictures of women in armor? I'm thinking of making a suit for a doll, so fantasy or Saintswear is perfectly fine, from any European period. I know there are a couple of Roman de la Rose manuscripts that have pictures of a woman in armor, though

[h-cost] Costumed tableware

Hello everyone, I found this artist who makes ceramic tableware with drawings of people in historical costume on it, and I thought you guys might find it amusing. They're probably pretty pricey, since they're handmade in the USA, but just think: now you don't have to go to the movies to pick

[h-cost] Origin of velvet

Okay, I know this is going to be one of those simple questions with a complicated answer, but I was just curious about when and where velvet was invented? Specifically, would velvet or something similar have been available, even to the very rich, in Constantinople around 800 AD? If not, when

[h-cost] lacing rings

What do you guys use for lacing rings? I just found this vendor: http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=6029520 Can't beat that price! Tea Rose AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about

[h-cost] Re:16th-century short pants????

Thanks, Mike. That makes sense, as both of these examples are Dutch, and you do see a lot of German styles there, especially on soldiers. Do you have any other pictures of this style? Or could you point me to a website that discusses it? Tea Rose, who is still amused by those knobbly

[h-cost] Re: 16th-century short pants????

That's what I originally thought about the Bruegel field workers, or that they were worn-out hosen that had been cut off below the knees. That's why I did a double-take when I saw the Bathsheba picture, because that guy is clearly not in his drawers, or about to do any field work. Maybe,

[h-cost] 16th-century short pants????

Somebody tell me this guy is NOT showing off his barenaked knees in the background of this painting: http://www.formfunction.org/temp/1530dutchcalendar11bathsheba.jpg Bruegel drew some fieldworkers wearing similar shorts: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4293000a=31783828f=

[h-cost] Re: fabric selection advice

Thanks for all the input, guys! So, a ribbed silk, like faille or ottoman, would be okay for a Tudor court dress. Does taffeta fall into this category? Are there other names for it? Another thing I've been wondering about though: what characteristics should I look for in a wool fabric? I

[h-cost] Re: medieval book with pictures

Can anyone make some similar recommendations for the sixteenth century? I'm especially fond of England and Flanders between 1530 and 1580, but anything from about 1470 to 1600 interests me as well. I have a copy of the German Housebook and Holbein's Dance of Death, which are really cool,

[h-cost] Re: historic academic professional robes

Matthew, Have you seen Holbein's Dance of Death woodcuts? They're small, but there are several men wearing the style of robes you describe. Here's a link to the online version: http://www.godecookery.com/macabre/holdod/holdod.htm Look at the Judge, the Advocate, the Physician, etc. The

[h-cost] Re: in search of fake fur

If you haven't already seen it, the March issue of Taunton's Threads magazine has a cover story about faux fur. There are lots of sources listed inside. I can transcribe them if people are interested. Also, it reviews a book that people on this list might find interesting. It's called

[h-cost] Re: aprons

Sorry I'm a little late commenting on this subject, but Brueghel (Flemish 1530s-40s) portrays aprons that seem to be a big rectangle of linen tucked into a belt. http://tinyurl.com/2ded6x I have a book with a really good copy of this painting and other Brueghels, and up close you can

[h-cost] Re: Shops in York, England

My husband and I went to York on our honeymoon two years ago, and we enjoyed the Castle Museum, which included exhibits about mourning in Victorian England and a clothing exhibit. Those exhibits might not be there anymore, but in the gift shop they had a booklet about two Victorian gowns in

[h-cost] Movies and ancient costume

Since we're talking about ancient costume, and somebody mentioned Jewish, does anybody know any reliable books on Biblical costume? I've always wanted to sculpt a Nativity scene, but I have no idea as to what appropriate costumes would look like. I did an admittedly shallow search a couple of

RE: [h-cost] Schaube

If you want one like the Henry VIII robe, there's a pattern in the Tudor Tailor book. Here are some dress diaries for women's schaubes: http://www.curiousfrau.com/Diaries/Schaube.htm http://myra.hem.nu/costume/DressDairies/Schaube/Schaube_Dairy.htm

Re: [h-cost] Movies and ancient costume

I have heard about that theory, but I didn't know the name of the historian. It makes a lot of sense to me; I've seen replicas of those ancient split-level houses on TV. Regarding the resonance of the scene in the barn, you have a point. I guess the modern concept of a Nativity scene is a

Re: [h-cost] CostumeCon (was: Movies and ancient costume)

Actually, the main draw for me is that it's within driving distance of where I live. I SO wish there was more costuming stuff near Kansas City. (Is a Dickens Fair too much to ask?) But I'll be happy to tell them it's all about the historical lectures. :) Dawn and I wanted to go last

[h-cost] Re: striped skirt

Ooo, a whole book about it! Thanks! Pixel, is there any way of knowing if the sumptuary laws meant woven-in stripes, applied stripes or pieced stripes? That painting with Mary Magdalen looked like they might be applied. Thanks to everyone who responded! I love this kind of conversation

[h-cost] Re: striped skirt

Wow, thanks for the info, guys. So, Bella, are those images all Italians? Are stripes ever found anywhere outside of Italy? I usually do English/Flemish, and my friend Dawn (of DawnPages, who posts on this list) pointed out that you never see woven-in stripes in northern Europe. I

[h-cost] striped skirt

_http://www.renaissancewoman.net/realmofvenus/wardrobe/Dance1565.jpg_ (http://www.renaissancewoman.net/realmofvenus/wardrobe/Dance1565.jpg) Just an idle question here -- in the image above, the woman with her back turned to us has a skirt that appears to be striped. Would this be a brocaded

[h-cost] Fabric question

I'm sure someone on this list can answer this question for me: What the heck is silk gazar fabric? http://www.fashionfabricsclub.com/catalog_itemdetail.aspx?ItmID=M162_ Thanks! Tea Rose Check out the new AOL. Most

[h-cost] Re: French Hood (was Tudor Tailor review)

Wow, that is some really cool information, Melanie. So, does that allow you to draw any conclusions about the gable headdress?( http://www.tudor-portraits.com/UnknownLady5.jpg) It almost looks like it could be the same hood, only with the fall(s) attached on the bottom instead of the top

[h-cost] Re: Fourfoottwo myth; 1690 skirts

Thanks for posting that link, Beth! That was really interesting. The dead-at-forty thing is something I'm always arguing with people, too. Just because your life expectancy at birth was thirty-five doesn't mean thirty-five-year-olds had gray hair and hobbled around on canes! Bjarne,

[h-cost] skirt shape in 1690

Okay, if anyone's forgotten, I'm planning this hunting gown from the 1690s ( http://www.costumes.org/history/leloir/vol10/48_1692.jpg ), and I have another question. Do the skirts in this time pretty much follow the natural hip line, or are they still padded in the sides and back like in the

[h-cost] 1690s hunting gown

Hi guys. I'm in the planning stages of a 1690s hunting gown, and I was wondering if anyone could help me figure out the sleeves. In this engraving: http://www.kipar.org/period-galleries/engravings/1690/1690f1.jpg , what is the purpose of the tasseled ribbon tied around her wrist? And isn't

Re: [h-cost] Bad historical costume movies

And exactly when did the historical Hercules live? Come on -- mythology is the original sci-fi/fantasy! For my addition to the horrible costuming hall of shame, I'd like to submit several episodes of Charmed which involved traveling back in time. One of them, I think, was called Viking

[h-cost] 1690s undergarments

Hi guys! I just bought this pattern: _www.reconstructinghistory.com_ (http://www.reconstructinghistory.com) (_http://www.reconstructinghistory.com/patterns/ridingoutfit.html_ (http://www.reconstructinghistory.com/patterns/ridingoutfit.html) ) . So far it looks great, but it doesn't include

[h-cost] Re: aesthetic dress

Thanks, Gail -- but darn it, I even have a copy of The Man Who Was Thursday, but no illustrations. Oh well. Thanks for all your input, guys, I really enjoy this kind of discussion. That tea dress pattern is totally yummy! And I'm going to have some fun looking up all those links and

[h-cost] Re: Men' Flemish Garb

Pyotr's Men's Flemish Peasant diary: http://tinyurl.com/gqapm Some pictures I scanned from my super-cool Brueghel book: http://tinyurl.com/gsajq Hope this helps! Tea Rose Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video

[h-cost] Re: Period for Heidi

Thanks for the input, guys. I'm making a fantasy character, so Hollywood Historical is close enough. But I thought little girls sometimes wore high-waisted gowns when they weren't in style for adults? Tea Rose Check out

[h-cost] Period for Heidi

Hi all! Does anyone know the decade that the Heidi story is supposed to be set in? I'm especially interested in the orange dress here: _http://tinyurl.com/qfsak_ (http://tinyurl.com/qfsak) Is there a name for this type of little-girl dress? Is the petticoat underneath probably just a

[h-cost] German or Dutch headdress web page

Thanks, Michaela, that first link looks like it might be the right seamstress, if not the right web page. And, by the way, the link from your linen Cleves page to the documentation page seems to be broken. Thanks! Tea Rose Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 19:31:49 +1200 From: michaela [EMAIL

[h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 525

Zuzana, Here's a link to another site selling reproductions of the costumes, including the cape in question: http://www.bytheswordinc.com/acatalog/Kingdom_of_Heaven_Clothing.html Apparently there was a documentary on the costumes on the 4-disk director's cut version of the movie:

[h-cost] Slightly OT -- pattern art

Ever wondered what to do with those defunct pattern pieces? Need just the right piece of art for your sewing room wall? Take a look at this website. http://esart.com/paintings/showwork.php?s=pattern My favorites are the rockpiles. :) Tea Rose ___

[h-cost] Leather dyeing

Hi all-- Can one of you dye experts out there tell me if Procion dyes work on leather? I'm about to take the leap into dyeing my own fabrics for my dolls, and it would be cool if I could buy a bleached hide and dye my own leather for their shoes, too. Thanks! Tea Rose

[h-cost] Re: cloak hoods

I think Folkwear's Kinsale Cloak is similar to the one you're describing. http://www.folkwear.com/romantic.html Their Burnoose pattern is also similar, but without the gathering on the back: http://www.folkwear.com/caravan.html Tea Rose ___

[h-cost] Re: organizing (was: My copy of the Tudor Tailor arrived!)

I'll come help organize your stash if you come help organize mine! :) Tea Rose Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 07:17:32 -0400 From: Becky [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [h-cost] My copy of The Tudor Tailor arrived! To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Now, How do I organize it all so I can find

[h-cost] Re: Eyelet insertion trim

I haven't ordered from these guys yet, but I'm planning to soon: http://www.sewbizfabrics.com/ They have a big selection of trim and lace and the prices are great. Tea Rose === Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 22:30:50 -0700 From: Sylvia

[h-cost] Re: Tudor costumes for dummies

Nicole, Check out this web site for a very nice lady's Tudor made with commercial patterns: http://photos.ladybrooke.com/sca/gowns/velvetgown/gettingstarted.htm Here's a page for reenactors, though it looks like mostly peasant stuff: http://freespace.virgin.net/f.lea/index.htm

[h-cost] Cable ties and corsets

Hi all, I have a question for those who use cable ties in their corsets. I'm making my first 18th-century corset, and it turns out that because some of the channels run diagonally and the bank is so high, my cable ties aren't long enough. So, I'm wondering, will it really be that bad if the

[h-cost] Re: Book on Lace Question

Alex, I'd love to see your historical doll images! Would you be so kind as to share them? Tea Rose Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 14:45:49 -0600 From: Alexandria Doyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [h-cost] Book on Lace Question I am looking to

[h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 259 (Factions and Roman colors)

That's very interesting. I'm technically studying late antique Byzantium, so I hadn't come across that bit of information yet. Thanks! Tea Rose From: Jean Waddie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:

[h-cost] Re: German water--attn dyers

I'm not a dyer (yet!) but I doubt it's flouride; we don't have it in the water where I live (Independence, Missouri) and I haven't noticed anything like that. Well, we do have a teensy bit that occurs naturally, but it's not artificially added like in most municipal water supplies. I read an

[h-cost] Re: Toga trim in Gladiator

Ooh! I was just reading about this! The Roman hippodrome had four stables which each had a different color associated with it: red, green, blue, and white. They were like different teams, so maybe the filmmakers assumed people would have dressed in their teams' colors just like modern sports

[h-cost] Re: double post

Oops, sorry for the double post! Tea Rose ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume

[h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 250

Ooh! I was just reading about this! The Roman hippodrome had four stables which each had a different color associated with it: red, green, blue, and white. They were like different teams, so maybe the filmmakers assumed people would have dressed in their teams' colors just like modern sports

[h-cost] Re:Equestrian costuming other period tack

So, since this is a hunting costume, is that really long train at the back intended to drape over the horse as in the other two portraits that were posted to the list? Tea Rose, who is planning a loose interpretation of a gown just like this. In a message dated 3/11/2006 1:01:46 P.M.

[h-cost] Re: Equestrian costuming and other period tack

In both of these paintings, there seems to be a piece of cloth covering the horse to its ankles underneath the ladies' gowns. Was this a standard part of saddlery, or was it specific to lady riders? (To protect their skirts, maybe?) Tea Rose, who has ridden horses exactly twice in her life

[h-cost] short sleeved kirtle, air filter hat

I recently came across this excellent web page covering both of these subjects: http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/15th/ Scroll down to the kirtle heading for images of short-sleeved kirtles from just before the Tudor time period. In the first image of her transition dress section, you can see a

[h-cost] Re:corded corsets

I made a corded corset (in fact, there used to be a picture of me on the website you referenced) using hemp cord and cotton duck, which is a type of canvas, and I don't remember that the cords shrank the pattern all that much. The only bad thing was that the first time I washed it, it smelled

[h-cost] need some 18th century corset advice

Hi folks! I'm about to embark on my first post-elizabethan corset. I'd prefer to draft it myself, but since I don't have time for that, I'm making it from the Butterick pattern, which I believe is a mid-18th century corset.

[h-cost] Re: clothing for the reluctant husband

If you're thinking about 16th century Bruegel peasant, don't miss this web site: http://www.houseofpung.net/cgi-bin/clothes.cgi/flemish/man/index.html I didn't think my husband would go for the tights, either, but when I showed him the pictures at the above site of a real modern-day guy

[h-cost] Re: DATE FOR pirates o' de Carib

I believe the verdict has been that although many of the characters are well-dressed for their time period, each character seems to have a different time period, ranging from the 1680s through the 1750s or thereabouts. And the pirate characters have a mix of lovely authentic garments mixed with

[h-cost] Re: 17th Century chemise

Hi all -- This is for my pirate costume again. What did chemises look like in the 1690s? Were they any different from the Elizabethan ones? Thanks! Tea Rose ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com

[h-cost] Byzantine Dress

Has anyone heard about this Byzantine Dress book, or its author, Jennifer Ball? http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1403967008/103-0624918-7671817?v=glancen=283155 It seems to have just been published. I sure wish I could afford it, although it's slightly later than my precise period of

[h-cost] Re: Tudor roses

Becky -- I don't know where to get child-sized patterns; you may have to draft them yourself (it's not hard, really, with little kids); but here are two sites which may help you -- http://photos.ladybrooke.com/sca/gowns/velvetgown/gettingstarted.htm This is a dress diary that discusses

[h-cost] Re: colonial

Just out of curiosity -- are the flowers in this lady's hair and corsage supposed to be real, and if not, how would they be made? http://www.nga.gov/cgi-bin/pimage?32697+0+0 Thanks! Tea Rose ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com

[h-cost] Roman women's hairstyles

Hi, Can anyone point me to a reference for how to dress Roman ladies' hair? I've found a some simple styles, but wasn't there a period when they wore really tall, complicated hairstyles? Oh, and has anyone seen this book: Daring Do's: History of hairstyles by Trasko? Is it any good?

[h-cost] RE: Roman women's hairstyles

Thanks for the links, guys! These will help. So, are these hairnets made from sprang? http://www.vroma.org/images/mcmanus_images/hairnet2.jpg http://www.vroma.org/images/mcmanus_images/hairnet1.jpg And I know that they did use hairpieces and wigs, but I still would like to see them so I

[h-cost] Re: Child-friendly sword

These are inexpensive and plastic, but look pretty good: http://www.anytimecostumes.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc? Don't forget the question mark, it's part of the url. Tea Rose -- From: Shane Sheridan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [h-cost] Child-friendly sword

[h-cost] Re: tricorn decoration (was another question)

Bjarne, could you put a cockade over the ends of your bobbin lace? http://www.jastown.com/hats/th-905a.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cockade Tea Rose Message: 2 Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 20:49:20 +0100 From: Bjarne og Leif

[h-cost] Re: my first glove!

Having seen Dawn's glove in person, I can attest that it's every bit as droolworthy as it looks in the picture. However, regarding the sizing of the pattern, I thought I'd point out that Dawn's hands are long and narrow, while mine are short and wide, and when I tried on the glove it was

[h-cost] Wool

I'm in the planning stages of what will be my first ever wool garment. Is there anything I need to know about sewing with it? Do any of you guys pre-wash wool? It's a gabardine fabric, which I know isn't terribly period, but it's what I could afford, and I'm making my late-17th-century pirate

[h-cost] Re:Here's my show and tell

Kristin, that dress looks like a great start. The fabric for your bodice doesn't look out of period to me, although I'm not an expert on that period. And I think cotton's okay for 18th Century United States, although it was illegal to import it in most of Europe. Are you hand-quilting

RE: [h-cost] 16th century Men's trades person shoe

I recommend these: http://www.bornshoes.com/asp/shoepage.asp?itemid=M4250 Not particularly period, but generic enough not to distract, and affordable. I have the ladies' version (http://www.bornshoes.com/asp/shoepage.asp?itemid=W2021), and I find them very comfortable. I bought them because I

[h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 68

David, Can you point us to some pictures of what you're trying to reproduce? You might find something useful here: http://www.costumes.org/HISTORY/100pages/HATS.HTM Tea Rose Message: 2 Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 14:11:58 -0500 From: David Serxner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [h-cost]

[h-cost] Re: 17th Century French hunting dress

Thanks for the responses! I have another question, though. How is the skirt constructed for this period? Does the fullness still go in the back, like in Elizabethan times? I suppose I could borrow Patterns of Fashion or something. ::Looks hopefully at Dawn:: Albertcat, thanks for the

[h-cost] 17th Century French hunting dress

Hi guys. I'm making a loose interpretation of this outfit, and I know nothing about this period: http://www.costumes.org/history/leloir/vol10/48_1692.jpg Can someone tell me about the sash she's wearing? What's it made of? Did it have a purpose, or did it just look pretty? Also, the

[h-cost] Re: Italian Underwear

Huh, so where did the drawers originate, then? Italy? Moorish women wore pants under their dresses; was it adapted from them, maybe? And you're probably right about warmth being a matter of perspective (I grew up in South Texas, about a day's drive from the tropics), but I also know it was

[h-cost] Re: Italian Underwear

Um, I have a rank newbie question. I was always told that ladies didn't wear drawers in this period. Is that a myth, or a regional thing, possibly? I usually do English. And I've always suspected that it couldn't be true. I've BEEN to England. It gets COLD there. Thanks for your

[h-cost] Re: Christmas presents

Bjarne, I think you're a little mixed up. I sent you your gift, but you were supposed to send a gift to someone else. You sent it before I e-mailed you, so I'm sure the correct person got the lovely little purse... sigh I got a wonderful Elizabethan hat, though! I think it's called a tall

[h-cost] Re: holliday exchange gifts.

Figures, I missed the digest with Bjarne's reply to my gift before I sent my last message. Oh well. I'm glad you like the book, Bjarne! I wanted to get you something American, and the local reenactors' shop is mainly American Civil War, which is too late for your period of interest, so that

Re: [h-cost] Planning my first Tudor, need feedback on my plan

Elinor -- I'll let people more knowledgeable than I am answer most of your questions, but I thought I'd offer two links you might find interesting, if you haven't seen them yet: http://photos.ladybrooke.com/sca/gowns/velvetgown/gettingstarted.htm This is kind of a dress diary for a gorgeous

[h-cost] Re: OT vacuums

Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 21:25:48 -0500 From: E House [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [h-cost] OT vacuums I can't be the only one with this problem--little threads, all over my carpet, and a vacuum that just can't handle 'em. I have one of those rubber-bristled brooms like you see on TV, and it

[h-cost] Re: pleated smocks/shifts

The teacher of the class last weekend had pictures showing a progression. In the earlier stuff, you see really tiny pleats sewn to a band of trim, starting in the 1490s, as I recall. Then the embroidery moved from the band of trim to the pleatwork itself. I think she said the stitches resembled

[h-cost] Re: KWCS report?

Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 14:37:50 -0500 From: Marc Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [h-cost] RE: KWCS report? I have now gotten to meet Kass face to face, which was nice since we've intermittantly corresponded for years (we'd been at MTA one year at the same time, but didn't know who the other

[h-cost] Re: KWCS report?

So, can someone who went to KWCS in Kansas this weekend tell us how it went? --Robin = I went with Dawn, and I had a blast. I got to do Marc Carlson's shoe demo, which was awesome. Not that I'll ever attempt to make a medieval shoe, mind you, but his

[h-cost] Re: trousers vs. hose

Thanks for your replies. I was looking for the modern usage, I guess. I was reading something that said that trousers were introduced to Europe by northern barbarians sometime after the fall of the Western Roman Empire, and I remembered we'd just had a discussion about some early extant

[h-cost] trousers vs. hose

I would like your expert opinions on what the official difference is between trousers and leggings or hose. Is it just that trousers aren't as fitted in the legs? Or are trousers one piece while leggings are two? Tea Rose ___ h-costume mailing list

[h-cost] Re: Ouches (was Elizabethan dress trim question)

This word appears in the King James Bible (Numbers, I think, in the description of the Ephod), with apparently the same meaning; so how's that for a source? Tea Rose Message: 5 Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 23:35:57 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]