Re: [h-cost] What periods for these fabrics? (long)

2005-12-03 Thread Catherine Olanich Raymond
On Saturday 03 December 2005 1:56 am, Heather Rose Jones wrote: [snip] It also strikes me that those descriptions don't rule out the possibility that the linen was used as a lining for the caftan or hanging dress respectively. (I keep forgetting what the current standard English term is for

Re: [h-cost] What periods for these fabrics? (long)

2005-12-03 Thread Sue Clemenger
, while the snow comes down on the dark streets outside, and the cats sleep on the hearth rug. - Original Message - From: Catherine Olanich Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 3:13 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] What periods

Re: [h-cost] What periods for these fabrics? (long)

2005-12-03 Thread Catherine Olanich Raymond
On Saturday 03 December 2005 8:21 pm, Sue Clemenger wrote: The terms I hear/see most often used for that item of clothing around here are either apron gown or apron dress. Apron gown more commonly. I never heard apron gown before, though it makes as much sense as anything else. -- Cathy

Re: [h-cost] What periods for these fabrics? (long)

2005-12-02 Thread Robin Netherton
On Fri, 2 Dec 2005, E House wrote: Well, a quick search hasn't found that reference I was thinking of yet (I'm still going to look more, since this is BUGGING me), but did find these references to dyeing linen--that doesn't indicate what that linen was then used FOR, but it's a definite part

Re: [h-cost] What periods for these fabrics? (long)

2005-12-02 Thread E House
Yes! That was from Drea's site. By the way, I'm not saying that colored linen should be used for outer layers of outer garments (but I do, because I can look at a picture of fire and get over-heated) but rather that colored linen can be reasonably documented as a _part_ of an outer garment.

Re: [h-cost] What periods for these fabrics? (long)

2005-12-02 Thread Catherine Olanich Raymond
On Friday 02 December 2005 3:55 pm, Robin Netherton wrote: [snip] Clearly there's some dyed linen floating around in medieval Western Europe -- e.g. there's a surviving garment with black linen lining, IIRC -- and I want to make very sure no one thinks I'm saying there was no linen dyeing done

Re: [h-cost] What periods for these fabrics? (long)

2005-12-02 Thread RON CARNEGIE
Of course Linen is not as durable in an extant situation as is wool. Ron Carnegie I know of no examples of linen outerwear from the later Middle Ages. However, in an essay published in Cloth and Clothing in Medieval Europe Inga Hagg published the results of a stratographic analysis of

Re: [h-cost] What periods for these fabrics? (long)

2005-12-02 Thread Heather Rose Jones
On Dec 2, 2005, at 9:40 PM, Catherine Olanich Raymond wrote: On Friday 02 December 2005 3:55 pm, Robin Netherton wrote: [snip] Clearly there's some dyed linen floating around in medieval Western Europe -- e.g. there's a surviving garment with black linen lining, IIRC -- and I want to make