Re: [Hardhats-members] Steer future direction of VivA packages
Bhaskar, When I wrote asking about CoLinux a month or so ago, you cautioned against using CoLinux in a production environment because it wasn't mature enough, and for other reasons. Are these still true? If the WorldVistA community demo's an all-Windows XP package, will this encourage people to use this in a production setting? Will this add a layer of complexity for newcomers to deal with. Will users of the board know how to get the Linux-On-Windows issues working, in addition to dealing with all the start-up Linux and VistA pains we newbies encounter? I think that GTM on Windows is a cool solution (and would have saved our group the purchase of a separate Linux server) -- and probably would be my top pick. But if it takes you 2 months to produce, I want to make sure it the direction the group thinks is best. Kevin --- K.S. Bhaskar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, please allocate 100 points to the following to provide your input (while I reserve the right to do what I darn well please, I do try to be responsive to community needs): Go no further: OpenVistA VivitA: OpenVistA VivA USB: OpenVistA VivA XP: Any other qualitative feedback is always appreciated. Thank you very much for your interest and support. -- Bhaskar __ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Steer future direction of VivA packages
100 points for Colinux I think there is value in offering Vista and GTM prepared for Windows/Colinux for reasons already mentioned by Nancy and if according to John it is easier to employ other Linux apps with access to legacy info on mounted windows partitions. This is the kind of elective, progressive visitation that folks need , particularly if it also avoids fear of installation issues. Since that fear and other details can keep a live CD demo living in the limbo of ramdrive swaps, then perhaps CoLinux is the most fertile ground for new inquiry. By all means lets get applications living off of CD on hard disks with the least angst about existing partitions and bootloaders. Despite the longer effort by Bhaskar to do this, I don't think that it is necessary to re-prepare this platform with every new Vista distribution that is released (or every new Colinux) even if it works surprisingly well. This seems to be a different strategy than Cygwin. For dual boot systems it would be great if it is superficially hard to tell which OS engine owns the hardware . I suppose there is a performance penalty and newcomers who carry and visit the new cargo for awhile will become interested in the performance of booted Linux. Thanks for submitting good works to a vote Rusty Kevin Toppenberg wrote: Bhaskar, When I wrote asking about CoLinux a month or so ago, you cautioned against using CoLinux in a production environment because it wasn't mature enough, and for other reasons. Are these still true? If the WorldVistA community demo's an all-Windows XP package, will this encourage people to use this in a production setting? Will this add a layer of complexity for newcomers to deal with. Will users of the board know how to get the Linux-On-Windows issues working, in addition to dealing with all the start-up Linux and VistA pains we newbies encounter? I think that GTM on Windows is a cool solution (and would have saved our group the purchase of a separate Linux server) -- and probably would be my top pick. But if it takes you 2 months to produce, I want to make sure it the direction the group thinks is best. Kevin --- K.S. Bhaskar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, please allocate 100 points to the following to provide your input (while I reserve the right to do what I darn well please, I do try to be responsive to community needs): Go no further: OpenVistA VivitA: OpenVistA VivA USB: OpenVistA VivA XP: Any other qualitative feedback is always appreciated. Thank you very much for your interest and support. -- Bhaskar __ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Steer future direction of VivA packages
I assume this CoLinux virtual machine can have configuration work done on it just as a VMWare virtual machine, correct? If so, my 100 points go straight to that right now and we should endeavor, as a group, to work on configuring a copy of VistA for you to stick on there and warm up for porting VistA Office there when it comes out. I presume that a 1 G thumb drive or a external USB hard drive would allow a more fleshed out installation of a Linux Virtual machine or the use of a lot of apt-gets? On Thursday 10 February 2005 03:01 pm, K.S. Bhaskar wrote: Please provide input on the future of VivA packages of VistA. Current state: I now have the process down to where, given a new set of routines and globals, creating a SemiVivA package takes me perhaps 15 person minutes over 2 elapsed hours. Uploading the release to Source Forge and making it available takes me perhaps another 15 minutes over 2 elapsed hours. Creating a VivA package takes me perhaps 30 person minutes over a half day (longer if I use the -b option for best compression, which slows down the create_compressed_fs step by a factor of 10, but makes the resultant live CD/DVD image perhaps 5% smaller). Uploading it and making it available takes perhaps 30 minutes over a day, with much of the difference coming from the fact that a live CD/DVD is big enough that the first load fails as often as not, and I need to make a second (and sometimes a third) attempt to upload. I have also published a recipe for anyone to create a custom live CD of their own routines and globals. Releases of VistA and OpenVistA are infrequent enough that the effort is not onerous, so I can continue releasing these packages from time to time (although because of other commitments, it sometimes does take me a period of enforced down time before I get around to it - witness the fact that the FOIA Gold 0.2 releases, whose routines and globals were available on the VA FTP site in late November, are just being released as VivA and SemiVivA packages). There appear to be several directions in which I can take this line of work. In order of increasing effort: Go no further - I have caused enough damage already. OpenVistA VivitA - based on Damn Small Linux (http://damnsmalllinux.org), this would be a complete live CD in perhaps a 200MB download (by using best compression, it may even be able to fit on a 192MB 3 mini CD). If I were to start today, I could have this out next week. OpenVistA VivA USB - boots and runs in a USB flash drive (I may not be able to fit it all on a 512MB USB flash drive, so a 1GB drive may be required). The PC would boot and run Linux. If I were to start today, I would probably have this out in a month. OpenVistA VivA XP - boots and runs VistA on Linux from a USB flash drive or a hard drive, in a virtual machine using CoLinux (http://colinux.org) while the main PC runs Windows XP. CPRS would be bundled with it, and could execute on the Windows XP host against VistA on the guest virtual machine. The download would probably be on the order of 1GB. If I were to start today, I may have this out in two months. So, please allocate 100 points to the following to provide your input (while I reserve the right to do what I darn well please, I do try to be responsive to community needs): Go no further: OpenVistA VivitA: OpenVistA VivA USB: OpenVistA VivA XP: Any other qualitative feedback is always appreciated. Thank you very much for your interest and support. -- Bhaskar *** This electronic mail transmission contains confidential and/or privileged information intended only for the person(s) named. Any use, distribution, copying or disclosure by another person is strictly prohibited. *** NOTE: Ce courriel est destine exclusivement au(x) destinataire(s) mentionne(s) ci-dessus et peut contenir de l'information privilegiee, confidentielle et/ou dispensee de divulgation aux termes des lois applicables. Si vous avez recu ce message par erreur, ou s'il ne vous est pas destine, veuillez le mentionner immediatement a l'expediteur et effacer ce courriel. --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_ide95alloc_id396op=Click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members -- Nancy Anthracite --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover
Re: [Hardhats-members] Steer future direction of VivA packages
Bhaskar, Your doing whatever you darnwellplease has served the community pretty well so far. I think OpenVistA VivA XP is now a stronger option with the latest version of coLinux, 0.6.2 released 5 Feb 2005. Among the improvements: a.) Windows partitions can now be mounted... (It lets you access your C:\ without using Samba or other network file systems.) b.) This includes usb drives under windows. (Not USB drives formated for Reiserfs or ext, But all my other linux partitions mount effortlessly. Makes it easy to copy the gtm and OpenVistA directories over into colinux XP.) c.) Networking is very simple... apt-get and wireless work just fine. I have debian running under XP and gtm/OpenVistA up and working with Putty. I do not yet have VistA configured for CPRSChart. (I think I'm over gentoo for a while.) Stay tuned. GrandpaZ is slow but he's still out there. :-) Healthcare, a human right. -- Original Message --- From: K.S. Bhaskar [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 15:01:46 -0500 Subject: [Hardhats-members] Steer future direction of VivA packages (while I reserve the right to do what I darn well please, I do try to be responsive to community needs): Go no further: OpenVistA VivitA: OpenVistA VivA USB: OpenVistA VivA XP: Any other qualitative feedback is always appreciated. Thank you very much for your interest and support. -- Bhaskar https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- End of Original Message --- --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
