Re: timeframe for mid-level decissions

2005-05-21 Thread Jakob Praher
hi Tom, Tom Tromey wrote: Jakob == Jakob Praher [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jakob do we want to build something that competes with sun j2se/mono on the Jakob desktop side (gnome/redhat would be interested in that) I don't speak for Red Hat, but I can explain a little about why we ship gcj

Re: MIT compiler course

2005-05-21 Thread usman bashir
It is always awsome moro for the people living in this part of world (i mean South Asia) becuase of our unability to attend that top univeristy. thnx a lot andy On 5/20/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bryce Leo wrote: Great find, can that be added to the wiki under

Re: timeframe for mid-level decissions

2005-05-21 Thread Jakob Praher
hi Geir, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: On May 19, 2005, at 8:18 AM, Jakob Praher wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: On May 19, 2005, at 5:24 AM, Jakob Praher wrote: Both of these are conventional expectations, and we can meet this via pluggability, right? If you have for instance completly

Re: JIRA and SVN

2005-05-21 Thread usman bashir
These are good thikning and i have few things more to add up. first i think it will be better that we select a base architecture that is completely based upon harmony rather then acquiring from other sides. then what we can do ,we can took one two or even three VMS and incoperate them with

Re: JIRA and SVN

2005-05-21 Thread David Griffiths
On 20 May 2005 17:54:11 -0600, Tom Tromey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is too vague -- we don't know much about the unexpected. Plus, in most cases, the core part of the VM is simply not very important. There just isn't much code there -- JamVM is 20KLOC, anybody could comfortably rewrite

Re: JIRA and SVN

2005-05-21 Thread Davanum Srinivas
David, please feel free to ping Rob. It would be great! thanks, dims On 5/21/05, David Griffiths [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 20 May 2005 17:54:11 -0600, Tom Tromey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is too vague -- we don't know much about the unexpected. Plus, in most cases, the core part

Re: [arch] VM Candidate : JikesRVM http://jikesrvm.sourceforge.net/ (and some bla bla about compilers and stuff)

2005-05-21 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Tom Tromey wrote: Does anybody know if GCC allows such a thing? It already exists -- you're describing gcj. on another email, he wrote: You can use gcj-as-jit right now, today, if you want, though it has some scalability problems. o, ok [I should really do my homework] People, as you

how long till start?

2005-05-21 Thread crispyalien
Hi, Does anybody know when will this project start officialy? Does it need to be aproved? whe will happend that? regards, Valentin

Re: how long till start?

2005-05-21 Thread Raffaele Castagno
Project has been approved already, and is officially started: http://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/BrowseProject.jspa?id=10740 http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/harmony/ Anyway, it's still in the planningdesigning phase. Feel free to partecipate... Raffaele (as a simple observer...)

Re: [arch] VM Candidate : JikesRVM http://jikesrvm.sourceforge.net/

2005-05-21 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On May 21, 2005, at 12:08 AM, Steve Blackburn wrote: Mark Brooks wrote: Investigation is fine enough, but let's face facts. This is a HUGE project. We do NOT have the time or manpower to write two VMs as part of a project where we need a working J2SE 5 implementation, from basement

Re: Developing Harmony

2005-05-21 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On May 20, 2005, at 2:55 AM, Rafal Lewczuk wrote: Hi, On 5/19/05, Ian Darwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MudgeVM is under an open license and should be looked at before you start committing stuff :-) I've tried googling and freshmeating for 'MudgeVM' but couldn't find it. Can I ask

Re: [DOCUMENTATION][WIKI] Proposal and Initial FAQ in Italian.

2005-05-21 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Thank you! On May 20, 2005, at 3:48 AM, Raffaele Castagno wrote: I've translated the initial proposal and the FAQ in Italian. http://wiki.apache.org/harmony/Apache_Harmony_Proposal_Italian http://wiki.apache.org/harmony/Initial_FAQ_Italian Best regards. Raffaele -- If you want a GMail

Re: [arch] VM Candidate : JikesRVM http://jikesrvm.sourceforge.net/ (and some bla bla about compilers and stuff)

2005-05-21 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: On May 21, 2005, at 9:51 AM, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: If the mentors of this project were to write a JVM themselves, it would be a piece of crap :-) Don't sell everyone so short... :) Prove me wrong! :-) -- Stefano.

Re: [arch] VM Candidate : JikesRVM http://jikesrvm.sourceforge.net/ (and some bla bla about compilers and stuff)

2005-05-21 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On May 21, 2005, at 4:14 PM, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: On May 21, 2005, at 9:51 AM, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: If the mentors of this project were to write a JVM themselves, it would be a piece of crap :-) Don't sell everyone so short... :) Prove me

Re: JIRA and SVN

2005-05-21 Thread Robert Lougher
Hi List, Now that I've been explicitly asked, I'll forego my current observer status and give some input :) First off, I'm not comfortable pushing JamVM, but I'll give a summary for people who are unfamiliar with it. As has already been alluded to, JamVM's main claim is its small size

Re: Harmony and JamVM (Re: JIRA and SVN)

2005-05-21 Thread Steve Blackburn
JamVM sounds very interesting. A fast lightweight interpreter has at least two attractions: a) portability (this is true regardless of the implementation language, the point is that an interpreter does not require a new compiler backend to be written for each architecture) b) compactness

Relicensing and/or donating code (was: JIRA and SVN)

2005-05-21 Thread Leo Simons
On 22-05-2005 00:49, Robert Lougher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The major problem with JamVM as regards Harmony is that it is currently licensed under the GPL. I originally had some specific reasons for doing this, however, I am open to suggestions about different licensing models, e.g.

Re: Harmony and JamVM (Re: JIRA and SVN)

2005-05-21 Thread Peter Donald
Hi, For those of you who have not played with a JVM before and want to get a feel for how to implement them I would highly suggest you have a look at the JamVM codebase.This is a really nice codebase to read and it is relatively simple to understand - at least as far as JVMs go. Congrats

Threading

2005-05-21 Thread Craig Blake
Just out of curiosity, can anyone familiar with the various OSS VM implementations being discussed share their insights regarding the respective threading capabilities? I have heard of some commercial specialty VMs handling upwards of 30,000 concurrent threads easily and it would be