Hi Richard,
On 3/21/06, Richard Liang wrote:
Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
Good unit tests are going to be testing things that are package
protected. You can't do that if you aren't in the same package
(obviously). With the custom of putting in things in o.a.h.t are we
implicitly
Etienne Gagnon wrote:
Just a random idea... Why not have a special testing mode in the VM
that would trigger special permissions to code in .test packages?
You wouldn't need that when testing in the VM. :)
That's why Tim suggested o.a.h.test. so then you stay out of package
namespace
Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
Tim Ellison wrote:
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Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
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With the custom of putting in things in o.a.h.t are we
implicitly discouraging good testing practice?
This is laughable.
You are going to have to explain why it's laughable. If you are
testing a.b.c.Foo and
No worries. I figured it was something like that, although i'll be the first
to admit that I do and say laughable things.
Focus on the talk. Do we say 'good luck' or 'break a leg', show biz style?
Too bad we don't have swing and awt yet. Would be memorable to demonstrate
IDEA running in
Mikhail Loenko wrote:
Hi Richard
Did I understand your 1. correctly that this suite (Test for APIs) would be
something competing with Sun's TCK?
Not sure how you got there from Richard's comments. As others have said
no, we need API tests to test our code is working as we intended.
When it
Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
Good unit tests are going to be testing things that are package
protected. You can't do that if you aren't in the same package
(obviously). With the custom of putting in things in o.a.h.t are we
implicitly discouraging good testing practice? Given that this
Hi Richard
Did I understand your 1. correctly that this suite (Test for APIs) would be
something competing with Sun's TCK?
Thanks,
Mikhail
2006/3/21, Richard Liang [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
Good unit tests are going to be testing things that are package
protected. You
Mikhail Loenko wrote:
Hi Richard
Did I understand your 1. correctly that this suite (Test for APIs) would be
something competing with Sun's TCK?
No - nothing we do would compete. it could be the same functionality,
but it's not competing in the sense of trying to surpass or displace.
The
On Tuesday 21 March 2006 15:53, Dalibor Topic wrote:
But alas, Sun currently sees other implementations as a threat to its
business model as a proprietary Java vendor, so one has to deal with
such things until they stop having a business interest in being a
proprietary Java vendor (yeah,
On Tue, Mar 21, 2006 at 04:17:26PM +0100, Chris Gray wrote:
On Tuesday 21 March 2006 15:53, Dalibor Topic wrote:
But alas, Sun currently sees other implementations as a threat to its
business model as a proprietary Java vendor, so one has to deal with
such things until they stop having a
On 3/21/06, Dalibor Topic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Java is so depressingly backwards. We're solving problems over and
over again that would not be problems in the first place if Java was
managed competently, by people who have a clue about involving
communities, and placed the platform
Tim Ellison wrote:
Just to clarify terminology -- unit tests are a 'style' of test that
focus on particular units of functionality. Unit tests can be both
implementation tests and API tests. Implementation tests are specific
to our implementation (the mechanism, hidden to the end user, by
Dalibor Topic wrote:
On Tue, Mar 21, 2006 at 02:48:25PM -0300, Fernando Cassia wrote:
On 3/21/06, Dalibor Topic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Java is so depressingly backwards. We're solving problems over and
over again that would not be problems in the first place if Java was
managed
Just a random idea... Why not have a special testing mode in the VM
that would trigger special permissions to code in .test packages?
Actually, this mechanism could act differently: simply consider
some.package and some.package.test as being the *same* package (so,
erase, at loading time, the
As I understood the main Tim's concern with running tests in bootclasspath is
that real apps wont run that way.
If we test in special VM mode then we go far away from how real apps
are running.
$0.02
Thanks,
Mikhail
2006/3/22, Etienne Gagnon [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Just a random idea... Why not
On 3/22/06, Mikhail Loenko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As I understood the main Tim's concern with running tests in bootclasspath is
that real apps wont run that way.
If we test in special VM mode then we go far away from how real apps
are running.
Agree.
Besides, VM will have to be even more
I just committed. There was some delay because of a missing CCLA. Sorry.
I've committed the code as is from the JIRA. I'm going to do some basic
cleanup and then look at hte patches to integrate.
Looking at this (and 88?) I think that this add patches approach is a
bad one, because it
Fair enough.
Mind if I redo the script/patch to split the three modules to match
the structure of the others? That is, into separate modules/math,
modules/beans, modules/regex directories?
Regards,
Mark.
On 3/20/06, Geir Magnusson Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I just committed. There was some
Don't worry, you'd have to be less subtle for me to take something as criticism.
I've had an attempt at moving beans out - HARMONY-218. If that gets
committed I'll do the other too.
-Mark.
On 3/20/06, Geir Magnusson Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That wasn't a criticism, btw. It seemed like a
I thought the crucial thing was that tests should be in a separate
namespace not in the namespace of the package they are testing (at
least not unless it was absolutely necessary).
-Mark.
On 3/20/06, Geir Magnusson Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm doing it now.
I need to go back and stare at
Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
Despite a touch of trouble with the packaging of the contribution, it
passed with flying colors ( or 'colours', for our UK friends...)
+1 from :
Geir
Stefano
Dims
Tim
Leo
In it comes
Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
I have received the ACQs and the BCC for Harmony-39,
Despite a touch of trouble with the packaging of the contribution, it
passed with flying colors ( or 'colours', for our UK friends...)
+1 from :
Geir
Stefano
Dims
Tim
Leo
In it comes
Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
I have received the ACQs and the BCC for Harmony-39, so I can assert
that the
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