Re: Questions about the Classpath license exception

2005-05-15 Thread Leo Simons
On 5/14/05, Leo Simons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (Harmony people: replies only on the classpath mailing list please, this has in reality only little to do with harmony.) I really hate crossposts. Oh well. On 15-05-2005 01:39, Davanum Srinivas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We can use the con call

Re: GC Compatibility (was: Re: State of the World)

2005-05-15 Thread Robin Garner
I'd like to take off on a tangent here. At one point I had the naive idea that I could make Jikes RVM able to play nicely with GCJ. What really quashed the idea was the issue of garbage collection -- GCC is not designed to pass type information down to the lower levels of the compiler, so

Re: Against using Java to implement Java (Was: Java)

2005-05-15 Thread Robin Garner
Hi, I'd be interested in hearing more from Steve on how well that works within JikesRVM. From reading some papers on the web, it seems that the MMTk has been ported to other, non-Java runtimes as well, and I guess that this binding-vm-components-via-java-interfaces problem has been efficiently

Re: Questions about the Classpath license exception

2005-05-15 Thread Mark Brooks
To be clear, so as no-one feels they've been misled in the future, this is not what we'd like in the best of all possible worlds. In that world, classpath would be relicensed under the AL, or a compatible licence. What's listed above is a position we can live with. Cheers, Ben. Respectfully,

Re: Questions about the Classpath license exception

2005-05-15 Thread acoliver
That's a bit knee jerk. Far more value could be found from working together. We have more in common than not. If we learn to compromise and work together, the gains will be tremendous. Seperately we're all a bunch of qubbling groups who produce pieces of Java that are interesting and maybe

Re: Apache Harmony / GNU Classpath

2005-05-15 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On May 11, 2005, at 9:37 AM, Davanum Srinivas wrote: Dear Board and Incubator PMC, Please read the Proposal[1] and the FAQ[2] for Apache Harmony. We'd like to use GNU Classpath (pure java) for the class libraries. I read this thread and am going to personally punt for now. I think that we can -

Re: Windows support

2005-05-15 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On May 10, 2005, at 8:44 AM, Berlin Brown wrote: Hello, I am not a JVM guru like the others, just a long-time Java advocate and sit-back-and-watch Harmony person. I have a comment, I know there will be a strong interest in getting an Apache backed system on Linux/Solaris/Mac environments. It

Re: Programmer Volunteering (sorry if I should read a FAQ before)

2005-05-15 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On May 13, 2005, at 1:50 PM, Anthony Green wrote: On Fri, 2005-05-13 at 13:15 -0300, Nilseu Padilha JMiB wrote: Greetings. I am a cmomercial Systems Architect and would like to volunteer myself as a developer to the Harmony Project. Sorry if I should read any FAQ before, but I like to know

Re: Backward compatibility

2005-05-15 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On May 11, 2005, at 8:59 PM, Karen Bennet wrote: Gerry, Additional help in testing is always welcome. However, your posting makes me wonder why Sun wouldn't enable this project to leapfrog whose 4-5 years to a product like Tiger by donating the missing pieces. This would enable the community to

Re: IRC channel (s)

2005-05-15 Thread Sanjeev Shankar
Good Point On 5/15/05, Geir Magnusson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 10, 2005, at 4:25 PM, Davanum Srinivas wrote: FYI, #classpath on irc.freenode.net #kaffe on irc.freenode.net #harmony on irc.freenode.net (started a minute back) But I'd like to *strongly* encourage

Re: Apache Harmony / GNU Classpath

2005-05-15 Thread Mladen Turk
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: On May 12, 2005, at 12:11 PM, Mladen Turk wrote: Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: Then we need to kick out *a lot* of our top level projects. Can you give an example? I always thought that ASF projects are independent from third-party. At least the board has been advertising that

New on the list

2005-05-15 Thread Marco Lange
Hi, I am new on this list and I shortly want to introduce myself. I am a computer science student from Aachen, Germany, with about six years of professional software development, three years of which I worked on Java projects. Additionally, I have some theoretical background and some experience

New here

2005-05-15 Thread Nahuel ANGELINETTI
Hi, I'm new here since somedays, i'm reading the most of mails that are here. I'm a computer science student from france in Toulouse, for the moment i work in a company that works with java. We promote all open source projects to our clients. Well, i'm interested to participate to this

Re: Chicago

2005-05-15 Thread Steve Blackburn
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: On May 10, 2005, at 11:11 PM, Steve Blackburn wrote: I wonder how many folks will be in Chicago next month for PLDI/VEE/MSP/LCTES? I for one would really enjoy spending some time discussing this project. It seems a perfect opportunity given the combination of

Re: Apache Harmony / GNU Classpath

2005-05-15 Thread Sven de Marothy
On Sun, 2005-05-15 at 22:34 +0200, Mladen Turk wrote: Well, I agree that no man is an island. This would be fine if the Harmony is going to be the JVM project, rather then J2SE project. If it will depend for it's core functionality on the code released by non-ASF license without giving

Re: Apache Harmony / GNU Classpath

2005-05-15 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On May 15, 2005, at 4:34 PM, Mladen Turk wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: On May 12, 2005, at 12:11 PM, Mladen Turk wrote: Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: Then we need to kick out *a lot* of our top level projects. Can you give an example? I always thought that ASF projects are independent from

Re: New on the list

2005-05-15 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On May 15, 2005, at 4:43 PM, Marco Lange wrote: Hi, I am new on this list and I shortly want to introduce myself. I am a computer science student from Aachen, Germany, with about six years of professional software development, three years of which I worked on Java projects. Additionally, I have

Introduction, and a question

2005-05-15 Thread Brad Cox
Hello. I'm an old-timer with OO languages (Objective-C originator) but a newcomer to open source. I've just signed up to this list because Harmony sounds like something I could really get excited by. I'd welcome suggestions as to how to get started, traps to avoid, etc. I'll start by venturing

Introduction

2005-05-15 Thread Stu Statman
Hi, quick introduction. I've been an OO developer/lead dev/architect for about 15 years now, having moved from C++ to Java about 6 years ago. I'm currently an architect and dev lead, but almost entirely at the level of framework development, and middle tier applications. I've got some decent