Sven Panne writes:
> If you take e.g. (<$>) which is now part of the Prelude, you can't
> simply import some compatibility module, because GHC might tell you
> (rightfully) that that import is redundant, because (<$>) is already
> visible through the Prelude.
Yes, the
Hi Tom,
thank you for the explanation.
I believe you are suggesting that there is redundancy in the
implementation details of these libraries, not in the APIs they
expose.
I meant to say that there is redundancy in *both*. The libraries
mentioned in this thread re-implement the same type
Hi Clark,
How is this a problem?
If you're representing text, use 'text'.
If you're representing a string of bytes, use 'bytestring'.
If you want an array of values, think c++ and use 'vector'.
the problem is that all those packages implement the exact same data
type from scratch,
Hi Tom,
On Tue, Jun 04, 2013 at 04:01:37PM +0200, Peter Simons wrote:
How is this a problem?
If you're representing text, use 'text'.
If you're representing a string of bytes, use 'bytestring'.
If you want an array of values, think c++ and use 'vector'.
the problem
Hi Magnus,
How does a distro get to be added like that?
check out http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/hackage/ticket/570.
Take care,
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disappeared from haskell.org?
The 2010.x links from http://www.haskell.org/platform/prior.html also
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Don Stewart don...@gmail.com writes:
Here's the final program: [...]
Here is a version of the program that is just as fast:
import Prelude hiding ( getContents, foldl )
import Data.ByteString.Char8
countSpace :: Int - Char - Int
countSpace i c | c == ' ' || c == '\n' = i + 1
Hi Don,
Compare your program (made lazy) on lazy bytestrings using file IO: [...]
if I make those changes, the program runs even faster than before:
module Main ( main ) where
import Prelude hiding ( foldl, readFile )
import Data.ByteString.Lazy.Char8
countSpace :: Int - Char - Int
Hi Don,
Using this input file stored in /dev/shm
So not measuring the IO performance at all. :)
of course the program measures I/O performance. It just doesn't measure
the speed of the disk.
Anyway, a highly optimized benchmark such as the one you posted is
eventually going to beat one
Hi Hamish,
Features in process-leksah have been merged into process. For newer
versions of GHC leksah-server just depends on process.
I trust this applies to the unreleased beta version that you just
announced, right? (The latest release versions still seem to depend on
process-leksah.) In
Hi Hamish,
would it be possible to get an update for process-leksah that works with
recent versions of the 'filepath' package? I cannot build leksah-server
with GCC 7.4.2 because of this issue.
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Hi Tobias,
A 1.1.4.0 build-depends: B ==2.5.* C ==3.7.* (overspecified)
B 2.5.3.0 build-depends: C ==3.* (underspecified)
C 3.7.1.0
Everything works nice until C-3.8.0.0 appears with incompatible changes
that break B, but not A.
Now both A and B have to update their dependencies
Hi Tobias,
When such a situation has arisen in the past, it's my experience
that the author of B typically releases an update to fix the issue
with the latest version of C:
B 2.5.4.0 build-depends: C = 3.8
So that particular conflict does hardly ever occur in practice.
And
Hi Clark.
I think we just use dependencies [to specify] different things.
If dependency version constraints are specified as a white-list --
i.e. we include only those few versions that have been actually
verified and exclude everything else --, then we take the risk of
excluding *too much*.
Hi Janek,
How to determine proper version numbers?
if you know for a fact that your package works only with specific
versions of its dependencies, then constrain the build to exactly those
versions that you know to work.
If *don't* know of any such limitations, then *don't* specify any
Hi Clark,
It's not restrictive.
how can you say that by adding a version restriction you don't restrict
anything?
I just don't like to claim that my package works with major versions
of packages that I haven't tested.
Why does it not bother you to claim that your package can *not* be
Hi Vagif,
I fail to see how a fringe bleeding edge linux distro undermines a
haskell platform.
Arch Linux does not comply to the Haskell Platform. That fact communicates
to users of the distribution: We, the maintainers, don't believe that HP is
relevant. Clearly, this undermines the Haskell
Hi Timothy,
the Haskell community is not the right audience to be addressing these
complaints to. Instead, you should be talking to the ArchLinux developers,
who are responsible for packaging Haskell-related software in the [core]
and [extra] repositories. I am no expert in these matters, but my
Hi,
'extensible-exceptions' used to be a part of GHC, but it appears that
the package has been dropped from 7.6.1. Yet, the release notes on
haskell.org don't say anything about this subject (other than TODO).
Was that change intentional?
Take care,
Peter
Hi Brandon,
I think you'd have to install a separate ghc-mod binary for each one,
then, as it looks to me like ghc-mod is using ghc-as-a-library. That
is, it actually has the compiler linked into itself.
I see, thank you for the clarification.
One more thing: I would like to configure
Hi,
I am a happy user of Emacs with ghc-mod for Haskell programming. There is just
one issue I've run into: I have multiple versions of GHC installed on my
machine. Now, ghc-mod seems to use the GHC binary that was used to compile
ghc-mod itself, but that is not the version I want it to use for
Hi Johannes,
ghc-7.0 is working but when I use it to compile 7.4,
it breaks with some linker error (relocation R_X86_64_PC32 ...)
it also suggests recompile with -fPIC but I don't see how.
I seem to remember that this is a problem with the old version of
GCC that's used to build the
Hi Chris,
I'm also wondering about this issue:
- How do you handle packages that depend on system libraries? hsdns,
for example, requires the adns library to build. Does Hub know about
this?
Does Hub know about system-level libraries that Haskell packages need to
build, like
Hi Chris,
hub save project project.har
I am curious to see what this file looks like. Could you please post a
short example of one?
Take care,
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Hi Chris,
There is a worked out example at the bottom of the overview up on the
web site: http://justhub.org/overview
thank you for the pointer, I think I found it:
^=7.4.1
List-0.4.2
fgl-5.4.2.4
hexpat-0.20.1
mtl-2.1.1
regex-base-0.93.2
regex-compat-0.95.1
Hi Chris,
How much time, approximately, did you spend working with Nix?
1 hour? 10 hours? 10 days? 10 months?
You know that it is not 10 months.
actually, no. I don't know that, which is why I asked. I find it hard to
get an answer from you, though. It seems strange that you keep such
Hi Chris,
Where is this functionality provided by Nix?
simply run these commands
# Haskell Platform 2009.2.0.2
nix-env -p ~/ghc-6.10.4 -iA haskellPackages_ghc6104.haskellPlatform
# Haskell Platform 2010.2.0.0
nix-env -p ~/ghc-6.12.3 -iA haskellPackages_ghc6123.haskellPlatform
# Haskell
Hi Chris,
I cannot see how it can address any of the user-level Haskell package
database management and sandboxing mechanisms that I mentioned in the
announcement and subsequent emails.
have you ever actually used Nix?
Take care,
Peter
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Hi Chris,
I deatiled some of my trials with Nix -- I wasn't making it up!
of course, I didn't mean to imply that you were. My question was phrased
poorly, I am sorry.
What I meant to ask is: how much time, approximately, did you spend
working with Nix? 1 hour? 10 hours? 10 days? 10 months?
Chris Dornan wrote:
The JustHub distribution is distinctive in providing a comprehensive
back-catalogue of GHC tool chains (back to 6.10.4) and major Haskell
Platform releases (currently back to 2011.2.0.1) as well as the timely
appearance of leading edge GHC releases (such as GHC 7.4.2)
Hi Tim.
Nix can install such Haskell environments on all Linux variants and
on MacOS X without requiring superuser privileges.
Is this actually the case?
Yes.
When I tried this a year or so ago I had lots of problems with Redhat
Enterprise Linux 5, due to issues with it's quite old
Hi Ben,
I've just pushed Repa 3 onto Hackage, which has a much better API
than the older versions, and solves several code fusion problems.
when using the latest version of REPA with GHC 7.4.1, I have trouble
building the repa-examples package:
| Building repa-examples-3.0.0.1...
|
Hi Joachim,
Please make sure the list is not set to subscriber only; it is an
unreasonable burden to subscribe for people who just want to send you
one question, and possibly have to contact dozends of different
package authors, e.g. as a distribution packager.
+1
I have had that
Hi Ben,
Please try again now.
thank you very much for the quick update! Everything installs fine now.
I've also packaged the latest versions for NixOS.
Take care,
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Hi guys,
I'm not happy with asynchronous I/O in Haskell. It's hard to reason
about, and doesn't compose well.
Async I/O *is* tricky if you're expecting threads to do their own
writes/reads directly to/from sockets. I find that using a
message-passing approach for communication makes
Hi Daniel,
I've been trying to write networking code in Haskell too. I've also
come to the conclusion that channels are the way to go.
isn't a tuple of input/output channels essentially the same as a stream
processor arrow? I found the example discussed in the arrow paper [1]
very
Hi guys,
I am please to announce that wxHaskell 0.13.2 has just been uploaded
to Hackage.
when I try to build the latest version on Linux/x86_64 running NixOS, I
get the following error at configure time:
Setup: Missing dependency on a foreign library:
* Missing C library:
Hi guys,
We're pleased to announce the release of the Haskell Platform: a
single, standard Haskell distribution for everyone.
Haskell Platform 2011.4 is fully supported on NixOS http://nixos.org/.
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Hi Jose,
Peter, would using parsec 3.x be an acceptable solution to you?
well, we can link xmobar with parsec 3.x on NixOS. The situation
is tricky, though, because the latest version of parsec that we
have, 3.1.2, doesn't compile with GHC 6.10.4 anymore, so we'd
have to use some older version
Hi Antoine,
What errors are you getting compiling with GHC 6.10.4? If its a small
thing I certainly don't mind patching things.
I am sorry, my previous statement was inaccurate. Parsec 3.1.2 compiles
fine, but the 'text' library -- on which Parsec depends -- does not. We
can probably avoid
Hi Jose,
I'm happy to announce the release of xmobar 0.14.
previous versions of xmobar used to compile fine with GHC 6.10.4, but
the new version no longer does:
src/Parsers.hs:163:52:
Couldn't match expected type `Char' against inferred type `[Char]'
Expected type:
Hi Mariano,
I'm with mac OS X lion, ghc version 7.2.1 and when a i try to install
MissingH version 1.1.1.0 it fails with [...]
that version of MissingH compiles fine on Linux, so I reckon the
problem you're seeing is in some way specific to Darwin. Your best
bet of getting a fix would be to
Hi Etienne,
Here is a helpful package I wrote to ease the development of projects
using cabal.
thank you very much for this helpful tool!
I notice that Haddock has trouble parsing the documentation:
http://hackage.haskell.org/packages/archive/cabal-ghci/0.1/logs/failure/ghc-7.2
Is that
Hi Andrew,
I know of several places where I can ask maths questions and half a
dozen people will take guesses at what the correct solution might be.
I haven't yet found anywhere where I can say when would a
chi-squared test be more appropriate than a KS test? and get an
informed,
Hi Magnus,
I reckon all this means that you won't be needing a cron job to sync
~magnus/h4a to ~haskell/ anymore, right? I can create one, of course,
but that would mean that Nicolas would have to push updates to the
directories in magnus home, or they would be overwritten every time the
cron job
Hi,
I set up a mail reflector that forwards comments from AUR to this
mailing list. Is that service still required?
Take care,
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Hi,
the home page of a package on Hackage links to various distributions to
show which versions are available, i.e. Fedora, Debian, FreeBSD, etc. In
NixOS, we have fairly up-to-date package set, and I would like to see
that distribution included on Hackage.
Now I wonder how to get that done? Can
Hi Magnus,
As I've mentioned both earlier here and in an earlier email to the
list I don't have enough access to the server hosting [archhaskell],
so for the time being I'm publishing the updated builds in a private
repository on the same server.
if you think that would help, then I
Hi guys,
I have come to realize that I can no longer commit significant time and
effort to this project. I may be able to perform another few occasional
updates, but I cannot do so on a regular basis. Does anyone feel able to
take over maintenance of HABS and, by extension, AUR?
Take care,
Peter
Hi guys,
is anyone aware of a reason why perl should *not* be passed as a build
input to util-linux-ng (other than the fact that doing so would trigger
a re-build of stdenv)?
Assuming that making the change would be okay, where could I make it? Is
the stdenv-updates branch still active?
Take
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Hi Fabio,
Note that I tried makeworld script and rsync failed to connect to
andromeda.kiwilight.com but I can ping the server.
the rsync server was down, apparently, but Kaiting has fixed the
problem. Rsync should now work fine.
Take care,
Peter
Hi guys,
we have a new release of cabal2arch, the binary repository for x86 has
been re-built, and all updated PKGBUILDs have been uploaded to AUR. As
far as I can tell, the transition to GHC 7.0.3 is complete.
Take care,
Peter
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Hi Fabio,
yesterday I submitted a patch to HABS repository just because I met
some out-of-date packages in AUR. Then I read the story of this
group in this mailing list and thought that I can give some help. I
think I can take responsibility for a bunch of packages and care for
updates,
Hi Magnus,
Isn't this still the same workflow you had when you wrote [1]?
no, it's not.
Take care,
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Hi Leif,
Should we put these instructions up on the README of the GitHub project
for HABS / ArchHaskell ?
you are right, we probably should. I didn't do it at the time, because I
had the impression that various contributors were using all kinds of
different ways to work on HABS, and I didn't
Hi,
as far as I remember, haskell-binary used to be in [extra], but now it's
gone. Does anyone know what happened?
Take care,
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Hi Leif,
So, I was thinking of firing up a Large (7.5 GB) EC2 instance to
compile it.
that's a nice idea. :-)
Does a similar option exist for 32-bit?
No, I'm afraid not. I have two ArchLinux boxes available that I use for
building the i686 repository, but neither machine has more than
Hi Leif,
I was trying to add the IDE Leksah, and some of the parts have
dependencies on specific versions of haddock. Haddock is provided by
the ghc package, but it's not listed in ghc-pkg list.
why would it be necessary for Haddock to be listed by ghc-pkg? The way I
see it, cabal
Hi Matthew,
While I haven't investigated myself, from seeing haskell build processes
in the past this is almost certainly not crypto-api's fault and is in
fact your linker's fault. If you are not using it already, try switching
to gold over ld, it may help.
well, memory consumption
Also, it appears that crypto-api needs vast amounts of memory when
compiled with optimization enabled. The latest version 0.6.1 is
effectively unbuildable on my EeePC, which has only 1GB RAM. That
property is fairly undesirable for a library package.
Take care,
Peter
Hi Leif,
When running makeworld, it says:
Not building haskell-failure-0.1.0.1-3-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz (already built).
It got that package from the repo. But then at the bottom, it fails
with:
== Making package: haskell-hamlet 0.8.0-1 (Wed Apr 20 06:39:01 UTC 2011)
==
Hi guys,
from http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=19804
frabjous wrote:
Tiny easily fixed detail: the man page isn't given read access for
users, which is very slightly annoying.
apparently, runhaskell Setup copy --destdir=${pkgdir} installs the man
pages in $pkgdir without read
Hi Mathew,
Is there any specific package currently not included in HABS that
you would like to see supported?
My main issue was basically with packages such as yesod [...].
indeed, yesod currently doesn't compile. If you happen to have any fixes
or patches you could share to remedy that
Hi Greg,
Sifflet is now up-to-date in habs and on AUR.
Take care
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Hi Leif,
Is there a tool for bumping the version numbers / checking for newer
versions of all the packages that transitively depend on those that
would need to be rebuilt?
my repository https://github.com/peti/arch-haskell contains the
program scripts/reverse-dependencies.hs, which can
Hi Leif,
I submitted a pull request for yesod and a number of other things:
https://github.com/archhaskell/habs/pull/47. Do I also need to drop a
note here for it to get noticed, or what is the preferred way of
notifying about such things?
as of now, I don't receive e-mail notifications
Hi guys,
a new version of cabal2arch v0.8.0 is available that supports ghc 7.0.2.
All PKGBUILD files in habs have been re-built with that version; the Git
repository has those files. Also, these updates were uploaded to AUR.
The binary repository for i686 is being re-built as we speak. The
Hi guys,
the following packages don't build anymore because of version conflicts:
agda-executable
haskell-agda
haskell-authenticate
haskell-dbus-core
haskell-libxml-sax
haskell-sifflet-lib
haskell-yesod-auth
haskell-yesod-core
Hi Klaus,
for what it's worth, you might want to consider using this package
instead of Parsec:
http://hackage.haskell.org/package/BNFC
Take care,
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Hi Rémy,
Is there anything depending on haskell-packedstring in the haskell repo?
no, there isn't. The package appears to be obsolete.
Take care,
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Hi,
I just tried to push a fix for cabal2arch issue #27, but apparently
Github won't allow me to upload the change:
$ git push --dry-run -v
Pushing to g...@github.com:archhaskell/cabal2arch
ERROR: Permission to archhaskell/cabal2arch.git denied to peti.
fatal: The remote end hung up
Hi Evan,
The reason it's not in Data.List is because there are a bazillion
different splits one might want (when I was pondering the issue
before Brent released it, I had collected something like 8
different proposed splits), so no agreement could ever be reached.
It is curious though
Hi Peter,
I already proposed [writing a script which keeps the last two
versions of everything] but there was no response and it looks like
it is still an issue.
yes, this is still an issue. If you have the chance to write a script
that can automatically expire old files from the binary
Magnus,
your recent update of the i686 tree screwed up the symlinks for 'repo.db'
again, which in turn broke my build. Furthermore, you've again deleted older
versions of the updated packages even though I repeatedly asked you not to.
This is the third or fourth time that this is happening --
Hi Rémy,
[1]: http://hackage.haskell.org/package/darcs-2.5.1
Very good, I will update it in [staging] soon.
would it be possible to send a quick announcement to this list when
GHC7 support in [staging] is considered complete, i.e. ready to be
moved to [extra]?
Take care,
Peter
Hi Nicolas,
I don't know how you (the team) sync the repository, but I find it
easier to remove the old version and add the new at the same time.
I rsync the repository from andromeda into my local chroot sandbox, then I
run 'makeworld', and then I rsync the modified repository back to the
Hi Magnus,
Let's just keep them in the script; there's a bit risk they go missing
I have maintained the repository using those two symlinks for 3 months
or so, and I've never had a problem with them going missing. On what
occasion did those symlink disappear on your system?
Take care,
Peter
Hi,
I've synchronized the i686 repository with the current state of HABS.
The following packages are new:
haskell-ansi-terminal-0.5.5-4
haskell-ansi-wl-pprint-0.6.3-3
haskell-hostname-1.0-1
haskell-language-haskell-extract-0.1.2-4
haskell-test-framework-0.3.3-4
Hi Magnus,
[The symlinks] have never disappeared on my system, but then I never
have found a need for them either.
the reason why we need those symlinks is that the repository is served
to the public being called 'haskell', but we build it under the name of
'repo'. Consequently, Pacman
Hi guys,
it appears that there are plenty of web pages about ArchHaskell that
contain obsolete or even misleading information. A quick search revealed
the following URLs:
* http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Haskell_package_guidelines
This page contains plenty of obsolete information that
Hi Nicholas,
I updated the qthaskell PKGBUILD so it fetches and builds the latest
version.
the new version is now available on AUR. Thank you very much!
Take care,
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Hi Magnus,
They've all been uploaded to AUR.
I saw it. Thanks a lot!
Peter, I'm guessing you've already upgraded the i686 repo, right?
The build process took a while, but I've uploaded the new binaries to
the server a few minutes ago. As far as I can tell, the Git repository,
the binary
Hi guys,
the AUR package haskell-haskore [1] was marked out-of-date by palmfron.
Now, technically that package is not out-of-date, because the version
we distribute on AUR -- 0.1.0.4 -- is the latest one. Still, there is
something wrong with that package: it doesn't compile [2]. As far as I
can
Hi guys,
updated versions of cmdargs, crypto-api, data-default, and hlint are
available in the binary repository and on AUR. I've also bumped the
$pkgrel of cabal2arch, puremd5, tagged, and yesod to force re-builds so
that they take advantage of the new versions.
BTW, I asked the aur-general
Hi guys,
I've re-generated all our PKGBUILDs using the latest version of the
tool-chain. The Git repository for HABS is visible here:
http://github.com/archhaskell/habs
One major change is that our PKGBUILDs now require very specific
versions of those packages provided by
Hi guys,
for your information, AUR allows users to vote for packages. If you a
haven't done that yet, you might want to install aurvote and run the
following command (in bash):
aurvote -v $(pacman -Qqm)
Anyway, these are our top 50 most popular packages:
Hi guys,
those of you who use the ArchLinux distribution might be interested to know
that a team of volunteers has put together a binary package repository that
complements the set of Haskell packages that's already being distributed by
ArchLinux. Subscribers of that repository can use Pacman to
Hi Magnus,
So, what are your thoughts. Should I continue hacking on this?
there already is a tool that can figure out which versions of a
given set of packages are compatible with each other: cabal-install.
The code of that utility features an algorithm to compute something
that's called
Hi Magnus,
To be very blunt, I said your EXPERIENCE is invaluable. In your
initial email you didn't recount that experience in a way that
clearly pointed out what wasn't working. That means your initial
email wasn't invaluable, because there was nothing in it that I could
act on.
yes,
:
| commit 678ab5f30a159d2c44c48cd7670891421310eb93
| Author: Peter Simons sim...@cryp.to
| Date: Fri Dec 24 11:17:37 2010 +0100
|
| Regenerated all PKGBUILD files that didn't set --enable-shared with the
| latest tool-chain. Bumped $pkgrel of those packages, too.
|
| diff --git a/haskell
Hi Magnus,
I have the impression that you are avoiding the substance of my original
article in this thread. I posted that very long and very detailed message,
because I believe that it's vital to understand the problems we have to
solve before we try to solve them. I would love to hear your
Hi guys,
it's been 83 days since I've begun to actively contribute to the
ArchHaskell project. During that period, I've maintained our habs tree.
I've seen to it that AUR is in sync with that tree. I've made an effort
to compile a repository of binary packages, and I've also addressed all
kinds
Hi guys,
You could use ADNS.Endian.endian from package hsdns in your Setup.hs
to define endianness at compile time.
Cool, it's already there! However I would not recommend to let a
low-level library depend on a higher-level one. I think it would be
cleaner to move the ADNS.Endian
Hi John,
I think the previous responder was asserting the 32M limit, not you.
I believe the previous poster suggested that you use ulimit to provide a
hard upper bound for run-time memory use. That 32M figure seemed to be made
up out of thin air just as an example to illustrate the syntax of
Hi John,
On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Peter Simons sim...@cryp.to wrote:
Relying exclusively on GHC's ability to limit run-time memory
consumption feels like an odd choice for this task. It's nice that
this feature exists in GHC, but it's inherently non-portable and
outside
Hi Mathieu,
Why don't you use ulimit for this job?
$ ulimit -m 32M; ./cpsa
yes, I was thinking the same thing. Relying exclusively on GHC's ability to
limit run-time memory consumption feels like an odd choice for this task.
It's nice that this feature exists in GHC, but it's inherently
Hi Simon,
[Are you] avoiding use of cabal-install and hackage entirely?
yes, I'm trying to provide a package for hledger 0.13 that can be
installed using ArchLinux's native package manager. The current version
is available here: http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=20762.
How did
Hi Simon,
thank you very much for your efforts. I wonder whether there is any
particular reason why hledger won't build with process-1.0.1.3?
Take care,
Peter
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Hi,
can someone with access to [extra] please update haskell-text to
version 0.10.0.0? The old version is blocking other updates, such
as haskell-yesod, etc.
Take care,
Peter
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