Re: [Haskell-cafe] [reactive] A pong and integrate

2010-05-19 Thread Patai Gergely
I that the saw sleep time at each loop is fixed (0.02). So game speed will depend on processor speed, since with a more powerful CPU frames will be computed quicklier? Yes, that's how it works. So we don't have (with the Simple branch) some way to say I want my sprite to move 100 pixels

Re: [Haskell-cafe] cabal-install

2010-05-19 Thread Serguey Zefirov
2010/5/19 Ivan Lazar Miljenovic ivan.miljeno...@gmail.com: Serguey Zefirov sergu...@gmail.com writes: Why there is no switch to turn off any use of proxy in cabal-install? Or to supply username/password pair in command line. I have a strange situation: wget works like charm ignoring proxy (I

[Haskell-cafe] TagSoup 0.9

2010-05-19 Thread Ralph Hodgson
Hello Neil , I was using TagSoup 0.8 with great success. On upgrading to 0.9 I have this error: TQ\TagSoup\TagSoupExtensions.lhs:29:17: `Tag' is not applied to enough type arguments Expected kind `*', but `Tag' has kind `* - *' In the type synonym declaration for `Bundle'

[Haskell-cafe] Re: What do _you_ want to see in FGL?

2010-05-19 Thread Heinrich Apfelmus
Ivan Lazar Miljenovic wrote: Heinrich Apfelmus writes: Yes; what I mean is that you can retrofit a custom vertex type to any graph implementation that uses a fixed vertex type. So, let's say that data Gr a b = .. -- graph with vertex type Vertex Gr = Int then type Gr' node a b =

Re: [Haskell-cafe] cabal-install

2010-05-19 Thread Ivan Lazar Miljenovic
Serguey Zefirov sergu...@gmail.com writes: export http_proxy=http://${username}:${passwo...@${proxy_url}; I tried it and it didn't work. I don't know reason, though, maybe it was because my current password not entirely alphanumeric. Shouldn't matter as long as you put it within quotes. --

Re: [Haskell-cafe] TagSoup 0.9

2010-05-19 Thread Malcolm Wallace
Neil says that the API of TagSoup changed in 0.9. All usages of the type Tag should now take a type argument, e.g. Tag String. Regards, Malcolm On Wednesday, May 19, 2010, at 08:05AM, Ralph Hodgson rhodg...@topquadrant.com wrote: ___

[Haskell-cafe] Bug with [Double]

2010-05-19 Thread Dmitry Olshansky
Hello all, It seems that I saw something like this in Cafe recevtly. But I am not sure... In GHC 6.12.1 (Platform 2010 on Windows Vista) I have Prelude [1,1+2/3..10]

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Bug with [Double]

2010-05-19 Thread Erik de Castro Lopo
Dmitry Olshansky wrote: It seems that I saw something like this in Cafe recevtly. But I am not sure... In GHC 6.12.1 (Platform 2010 on Windows Vista) I have snip Any comments? The problem you point out is not a problem with Haskell, but a problem with the whole concept of floating point

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Bug with [Double]

2010-05-19 Thread Ivan Lazar Miljenovic
Dmitry Olshansky olshansk...@gmail.com writes: Hello all, It seems that I saw something like this in Cafe recevtly. But I am not sure... In GHC 6.12.1 (Platform 2010 on Windows Vista) I have Prelude [1,1+2/3..10]

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Bug with [Double]

2010-05-19 Thread Serguey Zefirov
2010/5/19 Erik de Castro Lopo mle...@mega-nerd.com: Dmitry Olshansky wrote: It seems that I saw something like this in Cafe recevtly. But I am not sure... In GHC 6.12.1 (Platform 2010 on Windows Vista) I have snip Any comments? The problem you point out is not a problem with Haskell,

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Bug with [Double]

2010-05-19 Thread Ivan Lazar Miljenovic
Ivan Lazar Miljenovic ivan.miljeno...@gmail.com writes: Dmitry Olshansky olshansk...@gmail.com writes: Hello all, It seems that I saw something like this in Cafe recevtly. But I am not sure... In GHC 6.12.1 (Platform 2010 on Windows Vista) I have Prelude [1,1+2/3..10]

[Haskell-cafe] Type famillies Lifting IO

2010-05-19 Thread Maciej Piechotka
I started playing with type families. I wanted to achieve, for the beginning, something like: import qualified Control.Monad.IO.Class as IOC import Control.Monad.Trans.Class import Control.Monad.Trans.Cont import Data.Functor.Identity class (Monad m, Monad (IO' m)) = MonadIO m where

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Bug with [Double]

2010-05-19 Thread Dmitry Olshansky
But Prelude Data.List [1,1+2/3..4] :: [Double] [1.0,1.6665,2.333,2.9996,3.666,4.332] Prelude Data.List unfoldr (\n - let n'=n+2/3 in if n' = 4 then Just (n',n') else Nothing) 1 :: [Double]

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Bug with [Double]

2010-05-19 Thread Dmitry Olshansky
Thanks, it's clear now. 2010/5/19 Serguey Zefirov sergu...@gmail.com: 2010/5/19 Erik de Castro Lopo mle...@mega-nerd.com: Dmitry Olshansky wrote: It seems that I saw something like this in Cafe recevtly. But I am not sure... In GHC 6.12.1 (Platform 2010 on Windows Vista) I have snip

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Bug with [Double]

2010-05-19 Thread Roman Leshchinskiy
On 19/05/2010, at 19:24, Dmitry Olshansky wrote: Prelude [1,1+2/3..10]

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Bug with [Double]

2010-05-19 Thread Ivan Lazar Miljenovic
Roman Leshchinskiy r...@cse.unsw.edu.au writes: Personally, I consider the Enum class itself to be broken. Oh? In what sense? It seems to work fine for data types representing bounded enumerable values with a proper mapping to/from Int (it's not bijective since there's no proper mapping from

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Bug with [Double]

2010-05-19 Thread Roman Leshchinskiy
On 19/05/2010, at 20:36, Ivan Lazar Miljenovic wrote: Roman Leshchinskiy r...@cse.unsw.edu.au writes: Personally, I consider the Enum class itself to be broken. Oh? In what sense? Firstly, the enumFrom* family of functions shouldn't be methods and the class itself should provide enough

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Numerical Analysis

2010-05-19 Thread Alberto G. Corona
SAGE is the kind of thing that I dreamed to have available online a few years ago. To recode everithing in haskell perhaps does not worth the pain, but perhapts it would be nice to do something similar to SAGE in an advanced environment such is Google Wave, with all the collaborative facilities

[Haskell-cafe] Proof format

2010-05-19 Thread R J
Is this how a rigorous Haskeller would lay out the proofs of the following theorems? This is Bird 1.4.6. (i) Theorem: (*) x = (* x) Proof: (*) x ={definition of partial application} \y - x * y = {commutativity of *} \y - y * x =

[Haskell-cafe] (no subject)

2010-05-19 Thread R J
This is another proof-layout question, this time from Bird 1.4.7. We're asked to define the functions curry2 and uncurry2 for currying and uncurrying functions with two arguments. Simple enough: curry2 :: ((a, b) - c) - (a - (b - c))curry2 f x y = f (x, y) uncurry2

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Bug with [Double]

2010-05-19 Thread Ben Millwood
On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 10:57 AM, Serguey Zefirov sergu...@gmail.com wrote: PS Rationals: Prelude [1,1+2/3..10] :: [Rational] [1 % 1,5 % 3,7 % 3,3 % 1,11 % 3,13 % 3,5 % 1,17 % 3,19 % 3,7 % 1,23 % 3,25 % 3,9 % 1,29 % 3,31 % 3] Same result. This sounds like a bug to me. The section of the

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Bug with [Double]

2010-05-19 Thread Lutz Donnerhacke
* Ben Millwood wrote: Prelude [1,1+2/3..10] :: [Rational] [1 % 1,5 % 3,7 % 3,3 % 1,11 % 3,13 % 3,5 % 1,17 % 3,19 % 3,7 % 1,23 % 3,25 % 3,9 % 1,29 % 3,31 % 3] Same result. This sounds like a bug to me. The section of the Haskell Report that deals with the Enum class mentions Float and

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Bug with [Double]

2010-05-19 Thread Roman Leshchinskiy
On 19/05/2010, at 23:44, Ben Millwood wrote: On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 10:57 AM, Serguey Zefirov sergu...@gmail.com wrote: PS Rationals: Prelude [1,1+2/3..10] :: [Rational] [1 % 1,5 % 3,7 % 3,3 % 1,11 % 3,13 % 3,5 % 1,17 % 3,19 % 3,7 % 1,23 % 3,25 % 3,9 % 1,29 % 3,31 % 3] Same result.

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Intuitive function given type signature

2010-05-19 Thread Brent Yorgey
On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 04:27:14AM +, R J wrote: What are some simple functions that would naturally have the following type signatures: f :: (Integer - Integer) - Integer Well, this means f is given a function from Integer to Integer, and it has to somehow return an Integer, (possibly)

Re: [Haskell-cafe] (no subject)

2010-05-19 Thread Brent Yorgey
On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 01:37:49PM +, R J wrote: This is another proof-layout question, this time from Bird 1.4.7. We're asked to define the functions curry2 and uncurry2 for currying and uncurrying functions with two arguments. Simple enough: curry2 :: ((a, b) - c) - (a -

Re: [Haskell-cafe] cabal: problem building ffi shared library and significance of __stginit

2010-05-19 Thread Duncan Coutts
On Tue, 2010-05-18 at 17:31 -0400, Anthony LODI wrote: Hello, I'm trying to build some haskell code as a .so/.dll so that it can ultimately be used by msvc. I have it working when I compile by hand (listed below) but I can't get the exact same thing built/linked with cabal. On linux

RE: [Haskell-cafe] TagSoup 0.9

2010-05-19 Thread Ralph Hodgson
Thanks Malcolm, Providing a 'String' type argument worked: type Bundle = [Tag String] extractTags :: Tag String - Tag String - Bundle - Bundle extractTags fromTag toTag tags = takeWhile (~/= toTag ) $ dropWhile (~/= fromTag ) tags From: Malcolm Wallace

RE: [Haskell-cafe] TagSoup 0.9

2010-05-19 Thread Ralph Hodgson
Forgot to add: I now need to understand the following warnings on this line import Text.HTML.Download: TagSoupExtensions.lhs:24:2: Warning: In the use of `openItem' (imported from Text.HTML.Download): Deprecated: Use package HTTP, module Network.HTTP,

Re: [Haskell-cafe] cabal-install

2010-05-19 Thread Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH
On May 19, 2010, at 04:49 , Ivan Lazar Miljenovic wrote: Serguey Zefirov sergu...@gmail.com writes: export http_proxy=http://${username}:${passwo...@${proxy_url}; I tried it and it didn't work. I don't know reason, though, maybe it was because my current password not entirely alphanumeric.

Re: [Haskell-cafe] TagSoup 0.9

2010-05-19 Thread Daniel Fischer
On Wednesday 19 May 2010 19:46:57, Ralph Hodgson wrote: Forgot to add: I now need to understand the following warnings on this line import Text.HTML.Download: In Text.HTML.Download, there's the following: {-| /DEPRECATED/: Use the HTTP package instead: import Network.HTTP

Re: [Haskell-cafe] TagSoup 0.9

2010-05-19 Thread Don Stewart
Or use things from the download-curl package, which provides a nice openURL function. daniel.is.fischer: On Wednesday 19 May 2010 19:46:57, Ralph Hodgson wrote: Forgot to add: I now need to understand the following warnings on this line import Text.HTML.Download: In

[Haskell-cafe] Re: cabal: problem building ffi shared library and significance of __stginit

2010-05-19 Thread Anthony LODI
I'm trying to build some haskell code as a .so/.dll so that it can ultimately be used by msvc.  I have it working when I compile by hand (listed below) but I can't get the exact same thing built/linked with cabal.  On linux everything builds fine, but when I try to link the resulting .so

Re: [Haskell-cafe] TagSoup 0.9

2010-05-19 Thread Neil Mitchell
Hi Ralph, I was using TagSoup 0.8 with great success. On upgrading to 0.9 I have this error: TQ\TagSoup\TagSoupExtensions.lhs:29:17: `Tag' is not applied to enough type arguments Expected kind `*', but `Tag' has kind `* - *' In the type synonym declaration for `Bundle' Failed,

Re: [Haskell-cafe] cabal-install

2010-05-19 Thread Serguey Zefirov
I tried it and it didn't work. I don't know reason, though, maybe it was because my current password not entirely alphanumeric. Shouldn't matter as long as you put it within quotes. I imagine things will go wrong if it includes an @... urlencoding is probably a smart idea. Thank you very

[Haskell-cafe] Haskell for control system [was: [reactive] A pong and integrate]

2010-05-19 Thread Ben Franksen
David Leimbach wrote: I find it's often the most practical chapter that I hit a lot during writes and changes to my server process I have in Haskell in our control system code :-) Are you actually saying that you use Haskell for a control system server? Thta would be very interesting to me.

[Haskell-cafe] Extensible Records and Functional References

2010-05-19 Thread Günther Schmidt
Hi all, I just read Functional References are a cheap and cheerful technique for working with the existing (non-extensible) record system, and may be of interest to extensible record implementers. A good implementation can be found on ... on

Re: [Haskell-cafe] ANN: has-0.4 Entity based records

2010-05-19 Thread adam vogt
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 7:16 PM, HASHIMOTO, Yusaku nonow...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry for spamming, what I wanted to write is I think `has' has better interface than other record packages in types. There are many libraries to write function takes an record has Foo and Bar and returns something.

Re: [Haskell-cafe] TagSoup 0.9

2010-05-19 Thread Henning Thielemann
Don Stewart schrieb: Or use things from the download-curl package, which provides a nice openURL function. The openURL function from TagSoup is lazy, which the proposed replacement 'getResponseBody = simpleHTTP (getRequest x)' is not. Is the openURL function from download-curl lazy?

Re: [Haskell-cafe] TagSoup 0.9

2010-05-19 Thread Don Stewart
schlepptop: Don Stewart schrieb: Or use things from the download-curl package, which provides a nice openURL function. The openURL function from TagSoup is lazy, which the proposed replacement 'getResponseBody = simpleHTTP (getRequest x)' is not. Is the openURL function from

[Haskell-cafe] Devices and Webcams, The Basics

2010-05-19 Thread Eitan Goldshtrom
Hi everyone, I would like to start working on a program that requires access to a camera attached to the computer probably via USB or otherwise internally. Unfortunately I don't know anything about using devices in haskell. I tried looking up how to access the microphone one too and had

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Devices and Webcams, The Basics

2010-05-19 Thread aditya siram
Haskell has bindings to USB [1]. I don't know of any USB tutorials or any webcam specific libraries. -deech [1] http://hackage.haskell.org/package/usb On 5/19/10, Eitan Goldshtrom thesource...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, I would like to start working on a program that requires access to a

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Devices and Webcams, The Basics

2010-05-19 Thread Ivan Lazar Miljenovic
aditya siram aditya.si...@gmail.com writes: Haskell has bindings to USB [1]. I don't know of any USB tutorials or any webcam specific libraries. I don't know of any, but if using Linux then maybe writing a binding to v4l (video for linux) might be the best/easiest approach. -- Ivan Lazar

[Haskell-cafe] Bird problem 1.6.2 -- is there an easier method?

2010-05-19 Thread R J
Bird problem 1.6.2 is: If f :: (a, b) - c, then define a function swap such that: flip (curry f) = curry (f . swap). I'd very much appreciate if someone could tell me whether there's a rigorous solution simpler than mine, which is: Since (.) :: (q - r) - (p - q) - (p - r), we have f :: q - r and

[Haskell-cafe] Deducing a type signature

2010-05-19 Thread R J
Bird 1.6.3 requires deducing type signatures for the functions strange and stranger. Are my solutions below correct? (i) strange f g = g (f g) Assume g :: a - b. Then f :: (a - b) - c. But since g :: a - b,f g :: a, so c = a. Therefore, f :: (a - b) - a, and g (f g) :: a.Therefore, strange

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Deducing a type signature

2010-05-19 Thread Richard O'Keefe
On May 20, 2010, at 11:03 AM, R J wrote: stranger f = f f This doesn't have a type in Haskell. Suppose f :: a - b Then if f f made sense, a = (a - b) would be true, and we'd have an infinite type. Type the definition into a file, and try loading it into ghci: Occurs check: cannot

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Deducing a type signature

2010-05-19 Thread Dan Weston
(i) strange f g = g (f g) Assume g :: a - b. Then f :: (a - b) - c. But since g :: a - b, f g :: a, so c = a. Therefore, f :: (a - b) - a, and g (f g) :: a. Therefore, strange :: ((a - b) - a) - (a - b) - a. Almost. The return type of strange is the same as the return type of g (the

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Intuitive function given type signature

2010-05-19 Thread Richard O'Keefe
On May 20, 2010, at 3:18 AM, Brent Yorgey wrote: On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 04:27:14AM +, R J wrote: What are some simple functions that would naturally have the following type signatures: f :: (Integer - Integer) - Integer Well, this means f is given a function from Integer to

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Bird problem 1.6.2 -- is there an easier method?

2010-05-19 Thread John Millikin
You've been asking a lot of very tutorial-ish questions on this list. Although this isn't necessarily a *bad* thing, you may receive responses more appropriate to your skill level on the haskell-beginners list http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners . I don't own the Bird book, but

[Haskell-cafe] Retrospective type-class extension

2010-05-19 Thread Tony Morris
We all know that class (Functor f) = Monad f is preferable but its absence is a historical mistake. We've all probably tried once: instance (Functor f) = Monad f where ... However, is there a type system extension (even proposed but not implemented) that allows me to retrospectively apply