Re: [Haskell-cafe] Teaching Haskell @ MOOCs like Coursera or Udacity

2012-10-25 Thread Gregg Lebovitz
I am trying to get a learning center started in the Haskell community. As pointed out below, MOOCs are hard to put together, however training and videos straight forward. There is a lot of teaching material available in the community. It is a matter of finding,

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Teaching Haskell @ MOOCs like Coursera or Udacity

2012-10-25 Thread Gregg Lebovitz
I would love to see an awesome online learning experience for Haskell too. We really need to make it easier for people to learn Haskell. Thank you for pointing this out to the community. On 10/18/2012 2:19 PM, niket wrote: I am a novice in Haskell

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Correspondence between libraries and modules

2012-05-23 Thread Gregg Lebovitz
of linux distributions. If you have some spare cycles and would like to contribute, I think everyone would appreciate your help and effort Gregg On 5/23/2012 4:24 AM, Rustom Mody wrote: On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 7:29 PM, Gregg Lebovitz glebov...@gmail.com

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Can Haskell outperform C++?

2012-05-17 Thread Gregg Lebovitz
Cafehaskell-cafe@haskell.org Message-ID:5f6605a2-dfe0-4aea-9987-3b07def34...@cs.otago.ac.nz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On 17/05/2012, at 2:04 PM, Gregg Lebovitz wrote: Richard, Thank you. This is an example of what I had in mind when I talked about changing the playing field. Do

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Can Haskell outperform C++?

2012-05-17 Thread Gregg Lebovitz
Isaac, I see your point. Probably I shouldn't have made that assertion given my limited understanding of the benchmarks. I want to thank you for your kind and gentle way of pointing this out to me. I feel very welcomed and encourage. I still plan to work on the performance paper with the

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Can Haskell outperform C++?

2012-05-17 Thread Gregg Lebovitz
Isaac, I understand. Thank you. I will be more careful about my wording in the future. I really do appreciate your taking the time to point this out to me. I am here to learn and help where I can. Gregg On 5/17/2012 11:25 AM, Isaac Gouy wrote: From: Gregg Lebovitzglebov...@gmail.com Sent:

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Can Haskell outperform C++?

2012-05-16 Thread Gregg Lebovitz
Wren, I see at least three different issues being discussed here. I think it is important to delineate them: 1) Does Haskell and its libraries need performance improvements? Probably yes. Some of the performance issues seem to be related to the way the language is implemented and others by

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Can Haskell outperform C++?

2012-05-16 Thread Gregg Lebovitz
and not comment on one on countering the benchmarks with a new criteria for comparing languages. Gregg On 5/16/2012 12:59 PM, Isaac Gouy wrote: Wed May 16 16:40:26 CEST 2012, Gregg Lebovitz wrote: 2) ... I think the problem with current comparisons, is that they are designed to favor

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Can Haskell outperform C++?

2012-05-16 Thread Gregg Lebovitz
PM, Kevin Charter wrote: On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 8:40 AM, Gregg Lebovitz glebov...@gmail.com wrote: 1) Does Haskell and its libraries need performance improvements? Probably yes. Some of the performance issues seem to be related

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Can Haskell outperform C++?

2012-05-16 Thread Gregg Lebovitz
Ben, This is precisely the kind of problem I am currently thinking about and why I asked for pointers to documents on best practices. The current model for gaining the necessary experience to use Haskell effectively does not scale well. Here are some ideas on how to address the knowledge

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Can Haskell outperform C++?

2012-05-16 Thread Gregg Lebovitz
On 5/16/2012 3:57 PM, Bardur Arantsson wrote: Comparing languages is a highly non-trivial matter involving various disciplines (including various squidgy ones) and rarely makes sense without a very specific context for comparison. So the short answer is: mu. Discovering the long answer

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Can Haskell outperform C++?

2012-05-16 Thread Gregg Lebovitz
Richard, Thank you. This is an example of what I had in mind when I talked about changing the playing field. Do you have a slide deck for this lecture that you would be willing to share with me? I am very interested in learning more. Gregg On 5/16/2012 9:13 PM, Richard O'Keefe wrote: In a

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Can Haskell outperform C++?

2012-05-12 Thread Gregg Lebovitz
Chris, Thanks you for indulging me. I will eventually get use to the idea that there is a wiki page for almost every topic :-) Gregg On 5/12/2012 1:02 AM, Chris Wong wrote: On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 12:41 AM, Gregg Lebovitzglebov...@gmail.com wrote: I would find it useful to pull all this

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Can Haskell outperform C++?

2012-05-11 Thread Gregg Lebovitz
This is an outstanding discussion. I am learning a lot from it. I would find it useful to pull all this information together into a single document that discusses all the performance issues in one place and shares the real life experience is dealing with each issue.

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Correspondence between libraries and modules

2012-04-26 Thread Gregg Lebovitz
On 4/24/2012 11:44 PM, wren ng thornton wrote: To pick another similar namespacing issue, consider the problem of Google Code. In Google Code there's a single namespace for projects, and the Google team spends a lot of effort on maintaining that namespace and resolving conflicts. (I know folks

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Correspondence between libraries and modules

2012-04-25 Thread Gregg Lebovitz
On 4/24/2012 11:49 PM, wren ng thornton wrote: On 4/24/12 9:59 AM, Gregg Lebovitz wrote: The question of how to support rapid innovation and stable deployment is not an us versus them problem. It is one of staging releases. The Linux kernel is a really good example. The Linux development

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Correspondence between libraries and modules

2012-04-24 Thread Gregg Lebovitz
On 4/23/2012 10:17 PM, Brandon Allbery wrote: On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 17:16, Gregg Lebovitz glebov...@gmail.com wrote: On 4/23/2012 3:39 PM, Brandon Allbery wrote

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Correspondence between libraries and modules

2012-04-23 Thread Gregg Lebovitz
On 04/23/2012 12:03 AM, wren ng thornton wrote: However, until better technical support is implemented (not just for GHC, but also jhc, UHC,...) it's best to follow social practice. Wren, I am new to Haskell and not aware of all of the conventions. Is there a place where I can find

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Correspondence between libraries and modules

2012-04-23 Thread Gregg Lebovitz
On 4/23/2012 3:39 PM, Brandon Allbery wrote: On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 11:39, Gregg Lebovitz glebov...@gmail.com wrote: Am I missing something that makes this problem harder than other