Re: [Haskell-cafe] Elevator pitch for Haskell.

2007-09-10 Thread Brian Hurt
On Mon, 10 Sep 2007, Devin Mullins wrote: Brian Hurt wrote: Any links to these presentations? I'm interested. Videos: http://rubyhoedown2007.confreaks.com/session04.html Actually, this video has an interesting bit, relevent to this discussion. He doesn't phrase it as an elevator pitch,

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Elevator pitch for Haskell.

2007-09-10 Thread Kim-Ee Yeoh
Devin Mullins wrote: As for the latter, the reason I hear most often is I want to be able to use the language at my job.* -- snip -- * This is somewhat odd, as the strong majority of vocal Rubyists /are/ using it at their job. Not without risk though. Their necks get wrung if things

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Elevator pitch for Haskell.

2007-09-09 Thread Devin Mullins
Stefan O'Rear wrote: I'd like to add that, until very recently, Haskell wasn't even *trying* to be ready for prime time. This is a subject that comes up in Ruby-land quite a bit. It piques my curiosity. Obviously, Haskell is not, on its own, sentient. (Nor is the Haskell community a hivemind.)

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Elevator pitch for Haskell.

2007-09-09 Thread Brian Hurt
On Sun, 9 Sep 2007, Devin Mullins wrote: As for the latter, the reason I hear most often is I want to be able to use the language at my job.* Yet, I have heard two presentations from people who studied the history of Smalltalk/Java/etc. and came to the (informal) conclusion that the very

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Elevator pitch for Haskell.

2007-09-09 Thread Devin Mullins
Brian Hurt wrote: Any links to these presentations? I'm interested. Videos: http://rubyhoedown2007.confreaks.com/session04.html http://rubyhoedown2007.confreaks.com/session07.html Unfortunately, I couldn't find any slides for download. Watch at your own peril! Devin

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Elevator pitch for Haskell.

2007-09-08 Thread Andrew Coppin
Dan Weston wrote: WARNING: Learning Haskell is dangerous to your health! Though cut with syntactic sugar to be more palatable to newbies, each Haskell construct is in fact a contagious mix of higher-order functions, lambda expressions, and partial applications, a highly addictive gateway

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Elevator pitch for Haskell.

2007-09-08 Thread Andrew Coppin
Michael Vanier wrote: Awesome! I'm reminded of the IRC post that said that Haskell is bad, it makes you hate other languages. How true it is... I've often thought about a sort of elevator pitch for Haskell. However, every time I sit down to think about this, I come to the same conclusion:

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Elevator pitch for Haskell.

2007-09-08 Thread Don Stewart
andrewcoppin: Michael Vanier wrote: Awesome! I'm reminded of the IRC post that said that Haskell is bad, it makes you hate other languages. How true it is... I've often thought about a sort of elevator pitch for Haskell. However, every time I sit down to think about this, I come to

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Elevator pitch for Haskell.

2007-09-08 Thread Neil Mitchell
Hi * Create sophisticated GUIs. Gtk2hs. Could do with a nice wrapper on that, but Conal is doing some interesting stuff, and I've got PropLang on the back burner. People are thinking the right thoughts, it just needs time. * Read and write standard binary file formats. (Images, compressed

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Elevator pitch for Haskell.

2007-09-08 Thread Stefan O'Rear
On Sat, Sep 08, 2007 at 05:44:47PM +0100, Neil Mitchell wrote: I'd like to think that Haskell will soon be ready for prime-time. But let's face it, the language is 20 years old already... Most of your problems are lack of libraries. We've had Cabal in mainstream for maybe a year, hackage

Re[2]: [Haskell-cafe] Elevator pitch for Haskell.

2007-09-08 Thread Bulat Ziganshin
Hello Andrew, Saturday, September 8, 2007, 8:36:06 PM, you wrote: * Access the Windoze registry and play with COM stuff. * Get system-specific file information (protection bits, modification times, security information, etc.) * Query the OS. (How many CPUs? How much RAM? What is my IP

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Elevator pitch for Haskell.

2007-09-08 Thread Andrew Coppin
Neil Mitchell wrote: * Read and write standard binary file formats. (Images, compressed files, etc.) Data.Binary is the low level frameworks, now people can pick up the rest. Last time I checked, there's about half a dozen binary packages. All incompatible. All with different

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Elevator pitch for Haskell.

2007-09-08 Thread Andrew Coppin
Stefan O'Rear wrote: I'd like to add that, until very recently, Haskell wasn't even *trying* to be ready for prime time. It takes an athlete many years to get from the cradle to the finish line, but that's not how we score them! Ah yes - avoid success at all costs. Pitty... I really love

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Elevator pitch for Haskell.

2007-09-08 Thread Neil Mitchell
Hi Data.Binary is the low level frameworks, now people can pick up the rest. Last time I checked, there's about half a dozen binary packages. All incompatible. All with different design. Seriously not obvious which one to use... Data.Binary is the answer,

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Elevator pitch for Haskell.

2007-09-05 Thread Ketil Malde
WARNING: Learning Haskell is dangerous to your health! :-) I liked that so much I made a hazard image to go with it. http://malde.org/~ketil/Hazard_lambda.svg -k ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org

[Haskell-cafe] Elevator pitch for Haskell.

2007-09-04 Thread Paul Johnson
This page (http://www.npdbd.umn.edu/deliver/elevator.html) has a template for an elevator pitch. This is what you say to someone when you have 30 seconds to explain your big idea, for instance if you find yourself in an elevator with them. I thought I'd try instantiating it for Haskell.

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Elevator pitch for Haskell.

2007-09-04 Thread Michael Vanier
It's very nice, but I would say that anyone who needs an elevator pitch shouldn't be using or working with Haskell. Haskell is for people who already get it. I've had job offers from people just because they knew I _liked_ Haskell, even though they weren't asking me to use it for the job.

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Elevator pitch for Haskell.

2007-09-04 Thread David Pollak
Paul, It's a good start, but it's a little too feature oriented rather than benefits oriented. Features: makes programmers more productive, allows projects to grow larger, allows maintenance teams to pick up the code with less skills xfer, faster time to market and faster and more reliable

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Elevator pitch for Haskell.

2007-09-04 Thread Greg Fitzgerald
Paul, This page (http://www.npdbd.umn.edu/deliver/elevator.html) has a template for an elevator pitch. I thought I'd try instantiating it for Haskell. For software developers who need to produce highly reliable software at minimum cost... Looks like a good pitch for developers. Here's my

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Elevator pitch for Haskell.

2007-09-04 Thread Dan Weston
And here's my guide for public health officials... WARNING: Learning Haskell is dangerous to your health! Disguised as a fully-functional programming language, Haskell is actually a front for a working math-lab, supported by a cult of volunteers seeking to ensnare weak-headed but normal

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Elevator pitch for Haskell.

2007-09-04 Thread Michael Vanier
Awesome! I'm reminded of the IRC post that said that Haskell is bad, it makes you hate other languages. Mike Dan Weston wrote: And here's my guide for public health officials... WARNING: Learning Haskell is dangerous to your health! Disguised as a fully-functional programming language,