Re: [Haskell-cafe] New book: Real-World Haskell!

2007-05-29 Thread Jules Bean
Doug Kirk wrote: No offense to the darcs creators, but 1) Only current Haskellers use it; everyone else either uses Subversion or is migrating to it; If that is true, then they have missed the point. DVC is a real win for most workflows. The applicable alternatives to darcs are : bzr,

Re: [Haskell-cafe] New book: Real-World Haskell!

2007-05-29 Thread Hakim Cassimally
On 29/05/07, Jules Bean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doug Kirk wrote: No offense to the darcs creators, but 1) Only current Haskellers use it; everyone else either uses Subversion or is migrating to it; If that is true, then they have missed the point. DVC is a real win for most workflows.

Re: [Haskell-cafe] New book: Real-World Haskell!

2007-05-29 Thread Bryan O'Sullivan
Jules Bean wrote: No offense to the darcs creators, but 1) Only current Haskellers use it; everyone else either uses Subversion or is migrating to it; If that is true, then they have missed the point. DVC is a real win for most workflows. We are indeed using darcs, so this discussion is a

Re: [Haskell-cafe] New book: Real-World Haskell!

2007-05-29 Thread Doug Kirk
OTOH, I work for companies, and they really value their assets, especially software assets. So they *want* centralized stuff, so they can ensure they have consistent backups (in the U.S.A. there is a lot of regulation under Sarbanes-Oxley that requires this stuff). Right now we're using

Re: [Haskell-cafe] New book: Real-World Haskell!

2007-05-29 Thread Jason Dagit
On 5/29/07, Doug Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OTOH, I work for companies, and they really value their assets, especially software assets. So they *want* centralized stuff, so they can ensure they have consistent backups (in the U.S.A. there is a lot of regulation under Sarbanes-Oxley that

Re[2]: [Haskell-cafe] New book: Real-World Haskell!

2007-05-27 Thread Bulat Ziganshin
Hello Doug, Friday, May 25, 2007, 9:30:15 PM, you wrote: Last time I read O'Reilly's policy, it stated that you're free to suggest an animal, but that they have a full-time person that makes the decision on which animal is on the book. full-time person! i want to have such hard job :))) --

Re: [Haskell-cafe] New book: Real-World Haskell!

2007-05-26 Thread Matthew Sackman
At Fri, 25 May 2007 12:23:24 -0500, Doug Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I realise that everyone wants to eat their own dog food, but really, if you want the code samples to be available to the masses, you'll use Subversion instead of darcs. No offense to the darcs creators, but 1) Only

Re: [Haskell-cafe] New book: Real-World Haskell!

2007-05-26 Thread David House
On 26/05/07, Matthew Sackman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (On the other hand, I don't know of anyone outside immediate haskellers using Darcs.) A lot of people in the Emacs subcommunity use darcs; many of them may have heard of Haskell but certainly wouldn't describe themselves as Haskellers. See

Re: [Haskell-cafe] New book: Real-World Haskell!

2007-05-26 Thread Henning Thielemann
On Fri, 25 May 2007, Doug Kirk wrote: What about a public darcs repository where people can constantly download and review modifications? People could even send patches to the authors (editors?). I realise that everyone wants to eat their own dog food, but really, if you want the code

Re: [Haskell-cafe] New book: Real-World Haskell!

2007-05-26 Thread Henning Thielemann
On Fri, 25 May 2007, Neil Mitchell wrote: http://darcs.haskell.org/darcsweb/darcsweb.cgi?r=yhc;a=summary - most things on haskell.org have a darcsweb, thats the one for Yhc. Nice, I have not seen this before. Not all of my packages at darcs.haskell.org are listed. How can I add more of them?

Re: [Haskell-cafe] New book: Real-World Haskell!

2007-05-25 Thread Magnus Therning
On Thu, May 24, 2007 at 20:37:12 +0100, Andrew Coppin wrote: Magnus Therning wrote: On Wed, May 23, 2007 at 15:22:05 -0700, Scott Cruzen wrote: * Dan Weston [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070523 12:41]: What power animal have you chosen for the cover of your O'Reilly book? Alas, most of the good

Re: [Haskell-cafe] New book: Real-World Haskell!

2007-05-25 Thread Doug Kirk
What about a public darcs repository where people can constantly download and review modifications? People could even send patches to the authors (editors?). I realise that everyone wants to eat their own dog food, but really, if you want the code samples to be available to the masses, you'll

Re: [Haskell-cafe] New book: Real-World Haskell!

2007-05-25 Thread Doug Kirk
Last time I read O'Reilly's policy, it stated that you're free to suggest an animal, but that they have a full-time person that makes the decision on which animal is on the book. However, the bigger issue is that anybody familiar with O'Reillys product lines knows that their Real World series

Re: [Haskell-cafe] New book: Real-World Haskell!

2007-05-25 Thread Anthony Chaumas-Pellet
3) I can browse a Subversion repository with a web browser instead of having to download code from the repository from the command line (of course command line is still available). Sometimes viewing a version of a code sample online is all that is needed to answer a question, and in that case

Re: [Haskell-cafe] New book: Real-World Haskell!

2007-05-25 Thread Robin Green
On Fri, 25 May 2007 19:39:19 +0100 Neil Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://darcs.haskell.org/darcsweb/darcsweb.cgi?r=yhc;a=summary - most things on haskell.org have a darcsweb, thats the one for Yhc. Plus I suspect that darcs will be discussed in the book, for building a library, in

Re: [Haskell-cafe] New book: Real-World Haskell!

2007-05-24 Thread Brian Alliet
On Wed, May 23, 2007 at 10:48:38PM -0700, Bryan O'Sullivan wrote: Number two on my wish list: interfacing with Java. The temptation to cover new and exciting material is of course strong. LambdaVM is both, but it's also an in-progress one-person master's project. We think we'd do best to

Re: [Haskell-cafe] New book: Real-World Haskell!

2007-05-24 Thread Magnus Therning
On Wed, May 23, 2007 at 15:22:05 -0700, Scott Cruzen wrote: * Dan Weston [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070523 12:41]: What power animal have you chosen for the cover of your O'Reilly book? Alas, most of the good ones are gone already! I'd like to suggest the Mantis shrimp because they have excellent

Re: [Haskell-cafe] New book: Real-World Haskell!

2007-05-24 Thread Donald Bruce Stewart
bos: I'll condense my remaining replies to this thread into a single message, to save people a little noise. I'd just add that the response is literally overwhelming! Some 100-odd volunteers to review, and a lot of mail besides. Please bear with us as we try to surface under this mountain of

Re: [Haskell-cafe] New book: Real-World Haskell!

2007-05-24 Thread Andrew Coppin
Magnus Therning wrote: On Wed, May 23, 2007 at 15:22:05 -0700, Scott Cruzen wrote: * Dan Weston [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070523 12:41]: What power animal have you chosen for the cover of your O'Reilly book? Alas, most of the good ones are gone already! I'd like to suggest the

Re: [Haskell-cafe] New book: Real-World Haskell!

2007-05-24 Thread ajb
G'day all. Quoting Donald Bruce Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'd just add that the response is literally overwhelming! As opposed to figuratively overwhelming? I'm certain this book will have a very good editor at O'Reilly! Cheers, Andrew Bromage ___

Re: [Haskell-cafe] New book: Real-World Haskell!

2007-05-23 Thread Daniel McAllansmith
On Wednesday 23 May 2007 19:01, Donald Bruce Stewart wrote: Bryan O'Sullivan, Don Stewart and John Goerzen are pleased, and frankly, very excited to announce that were developing a new book for O'Reilly, on practical Haskell programming. The working title is Real-World Haskell. That's good

Re: [Haskell-cafe] New book: Real-World Haskell!

2007-05-23 Thread Gour
On Wed, 23 May 2007 10:07:29 +0200 Gour [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Congratualtions for your effort? Oops...it should be ! Sincerely, Gour signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org

Re: [Haskell-cafe] New book: Real-World Haskell!

2007-05-23 Thread Dougal Stanton
On 23/05/07, Donald Bruce Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bryan O'Sullivan, Don Stewart and John Goerzen are pleased, and frankly, very excited to announce that were developing a new book for O'Reilly, on practical Haskell programming. The working title is Real-World Haskell. That is

Re: [Haskell-cafe] New book: Real-World Haskell!

2007-05-23 Thread Alfonso Acosta
On 5/23/07, Donald Bruce Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bryan O'Sullivan, Don Stewart and John Goerzen are pleased, and frankly, very excited to announce that were developing a new book for O'Reilly, on practical Haskell programming. The working title is Real-World Haskell. That is simply

Re: [Haskell-cafe] New book: Real-World Haskell!

2007-05-23 Thread Hans van Thiel
On Wed, 2007-05-23 at 17:01 +1000, Donald Bruce Stewart wrote: Bryan O'Sullivan, Don Stewart and John Goerzen are pleased, and frankly, very excited to announce that were developing a new book for O'Reilly, on practical Haskell programming. The working title is Real-World Haskell. The plan

Re: [Haskell-cafe] New book: Real-World Haskell!

2007-05-23 Thread Andrew Coppin
The plan is to cover the major techniques used to write serious, real-world Haskell code, so that programmers can just get to work in the language. Amen to that! Too many people seem to think Hasekll is some sort of pretend language that is only useful for defining quicksort and other

Re: [Haskell-cafe] New book: Real-World Haskell!

2007-05-23 Thread Dan Weston
What power animal have you chosen for the cover of your O'Reilly book? Alas, most of the good ones are gone already! Donald Bruce Stewart wrote: Bryan O'Sullivan, Don Stewart and John Goerzen are pleased, and frankly, very excited to announce that were developing a new book for O'Reilly, on

Re: [Haskell-cafe] New book: Real-World Haskell!

2007-05-23 Thread Tom Harper
I really hope they choose the flying squirrel. On 5/23/07, Dan Weston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What power animal have you chosen for the cover of your O'Reilly book? Alas, most of the good ones are gone already! Donald Bruce Stewart wrote: Bryan O'Sullivan, Don Stewart and John Goerzen are

Re: [Haskell-cafe] New book: Real-World Haskell!

2007-05-23 Thread brad clawsie
On Wed, May 23, 2007 at 12:40:58PM -0700, Dan Weston wrote: What power animal have you chosen for the cover of your O'Reilly book? Alas, most of the good ones are gone already! lamb-da? ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org

Re: [Haskell-cafe] New book: Real-World Haskell!

2007-05-23 Thread Michael Vanier
That's pretty baa-aa-aad. Mike brad clawsie wrote: On Wed, May 23, 2007 at 12:40:58PM -0700, Dan Weston wrote: What power animal have you chosen for the cover of your O'Reilly book? Alas, most of the good ones are gone already! lamb-da? ___

Re: [Haskell-cafe] New book: Real-World Haskell!

2007-05-23 Thread Creighton Hogg
On 5/23/07, Tom Harper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really hope they choose the flying squirrel. They should just use that picture of Philip Wadler as Lambda-Man. ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org

Re: [Haskell-cafe] New book: Real-World Haskell!

2007-05-23 Thread Scott Cruzen
* Dan Weston [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070523 12:41]: What power animal have you chosen for the cover of your O'Reilly book? Alas, most of the good ones are gone already! I'd like to suggest the Mantis shrimp because they have excellent vision, they're long lived and they pack a punch. I haven't

Re: [Haskell-cafe] New book: Real-World Haskell!

2007-05-23 Thread Bryan O'Sullivan
Dougal Stanton wrote: That is fantastic news to hear. I realise this may be jumping the gun a bit but could you say anything about predicted timelines? Not just yet, but it will be a much faster process with three seasoned verbmonkeys at work than if we had just one. Are you starting from

Re: [Haskell-cafe] New book: Real-World Haskell!

2007-05-23 Thread Bryan O'Sullivan
I'll condense my remaining replies to this thread into a single message, to save people a little noise. Henning Thielemann: I guess there will also be some lines about how to write efficient code by using ByteString et. al.? You bet! What about a public darcs repository where people can