Re: [Haskell-cafe] On the verge of ... giving up! [OT]

2007-10-15 Thread jerzy . karczmarczuk
Richard A. O'Keefe writes: (2) The mathematical background of Haskell is extremely important for implementations. Some important data structures and techniques are practical in large part because of the kinds of optimisations that are only straightforward in a language that has

Re: [Haskell-cafe] On the verge of ... giving up! [OT]

2007-10-15 Thread Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH
On Oct 15, 2007, at 7:01 , Yitzchak Gale wrote: But I think we are still at the stage where a programmer who wants practical results is better off starting out by learning how to use monads in practice, not by delving into category theory. No argument from a Haskell standpoint. Still, when

Re: [Haskell-cafe] On the verge of ... giving up! [OT]

2007-10-14 Thread Roberto Zunino
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will be impolite. There was no need to. Andrew Coppin wrote: OK. I get the message. I'm unsubscribing now... There was no need to. Please, let's keep haskell-cafe a friendly place, as it's always been. When someone posts inaccurate (or even wrong) facts: Attack

Re: [Haskell-cafe] On the verge of ... giving up! [OT]

2007-10-14 Thread jerzy . karczmarczuk
Roberto Zunino writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... Andrew Coppin wrote: OK. I get the message. I'm unsubscribing now... There was no need to. Please, let's keep haskell-cafe a friendly place, as it's always been. Yes. I would add, friendly and USEFUL, as it's always been. It was not

Re: [Haskell-cafe] On the verge of ... giving up! [OT]

2007-10-14 Thread Emre Sahin
jerzy == jerzy karczmarczuk [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [...] jerzy But, when J. Vimal threateneds us to throw away Haskell, jerzy complained about monads, and most people confirmed that the jerzy underlying theory is difficult, ugly, and useless, I began jerzy to read those

Re: [Haskell-cafe] On the verge of ... giving up! [OT]

2007-10-14 Thread Richard A. O'Keefe
On 15 Oct 2007, at 5:41 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But, when J. Vimal threateneds us to throw away Haskell, complained about monads, and most people confirmed that the underlying theory is difficult, ugly, and useless, I began to read those postings with attention, since I disagree with

Re: [Haskell-cafe] On the verge of ... giving up! [OT]

2007-10-14 Thread ajb
G'day all. Quoting Richard A. O'Keefe [EMAIL PROTECTED]: (5) Precisely because it seeks generality, category theory seems difficult to concrete thinkers. And books on category theory tend to be extremely fast-paced, so ideas which are not in themselves particularly esoteric (which

Re: [Haskell-cafe] On the verge of ... giving up! [OT]

2007-10-14 Thread ajb
G'day all. Quoting Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I would really like to see category theory for the working *non*mathematician. It's pricey, but your local university library probably has it: http://www.cambridge.org/catalogue/catalogue.asp?isbn=9780521478175 Cheers,