Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design

2010-04-08 Thread wren ng thornton
Ivan Lazar Miljenovic wrote: Thomas Schilling nomin...@googlemail.com writes: http://i.imgur.com/kFqP3.png Didn't know about CSS's rgba to describe transparency. Very useful. It's a vely nice!! (in a Borat voice) +1. Both for the design, and for the content. -- Live well, ~wren

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design

2010-04-07 Thread Iavor Diatchki
Hi everyone, thanks for your efforts to improve the site! To be honest, I don't really like the current design, so here are some suggestions that might help: * I find the color scheme a bit bleak; I'd prefer something more colorful. * Some graphics might improve the overall style. * We need to

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design

2010-04-07 Thread Thomas Davie
On 7 Apr 2010, at 02:53, Ben Millwood wrote: On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 2:22 AM, Thomas Schilling nomin...@googlemail.com wrote: I have set a maximum width on purpose so that it doesn't degrade too badly on big screens. I've never really trusted this argument - it's not required that the

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design

2010-04-07 Thread Miguel Mitrofanov
Doesn't seem right. IMHO, the necessity of making windows NOT fullscreen is an indication of bad design. Thomas Davie wrote: On 7 Apr 2010, at 02:53, Ben Millwood wrote: On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 2:22 AM, Thomas Schilling nomin...@googlemail.com wrote: I have set a maximum width on purpose so

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design

2010-04-07 Thread Neil Brown
Thomas Schilling wrote: Here's a matching Wiki style: http://i.imgur.com/XkuzH.png I like your designs (I liked the blue and orange version, but all the colour schemes seem fine). For the wiki design, it would be good to re-think and cull those links at the top of the page. For

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design

2010-04-07 Thread Magnus Therning
On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 11:12, Neil Brown nc...@kent.ac.uk wrote: For the wiki design, it would be good to re-think and cull those links at the top of the page.  For example, I don't think that random page needs to be in the top bar.  With several other links it's not clear to me what they do.  

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design

2010-04-07 Thread Daniel Fischer
Am Mittwoch 07 April 2010 04:09:17 schrieb Gregory Crosswhite: While I think that (d) is a valid concern, it is also important not to let the perfect be the enemy of the good.  If we agree that the proposed web site layout is sufficiently better than the current one and is good enough

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design

2010-04-07 Thread Thomas Schilling
Yup, I have to agree. The Ruby web site certainly is the best web site for a programming language that I've come across, but it's certainly not amazing. I like the python documentation design, but their home page is a bit dull. Anyway, here's another variation, this time with more colour:

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design

2010-04-07 Thread Daniel Fischer
Am Mittwoch 07 April 2010 18:53:28 schrieb Thomas Schilling: Yup, I have to agree. The Ruby web site certainly is the best web site for a programming language that I've come across, but it's certainly not amazing. I like the python documentation design, but their home page is a bit dull.

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design

2010-04-07 Thread Gregory Crosswhite
Ooo, I really like this revision; it is a major improvement in your design! I particularly like the picture you chose for the top, and the new way that you have laid out all of the boxes and made the bottom right box a different shade so that it is easier to distinguish it as a different

[Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design

2010-04-07 Thread Simon Michael
On 4/7/10 9:53 AM, Thomas Schilling wrote: Yup, I have to agree. The Ruby web site certainly is the best web site for a programming language that I've come across, but it's certainly not amazing. I like the python documentation design, but their home page is a bit dull. Anyway, here's another

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design

2010-04-07 Thread Thomas Schilling
http://i.imgur.com/kFqP3.png Didn't know about CSS's rgba to describe transparency. Very useful. On 7 April 2010 18:19, Gregory Crosswhite gcr...@phys.washington.edu wrote: Ooo, I really like this revision;  it is a major improvement in your design!   I particularly like the picture you

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design

2010-04-07 Thread John Van Enk
Hot. On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 2:35 PM, Thomas Schilling nomin...@googlemail.comwrote: http://i.imgur.com/kFqP3.png Didn't know about CSS's rgba to describe transparency. Very useful. On 7 April 2010 18:19, Gregory Crosswhite gcr...@phys.washington.edu wrote: Ooo, I really like this

[Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design

2010-04-07 Thread Johannes Waldmann
Ivan Miljenovic ivan.miljenovic at gmail.com writes: I hate websites/blogs/etc. that only take up a fraction of the screen width +1 Although this battle seems lost. Web 2.0 is actually a synonym for useless whitespace right and left. J.W. ___

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design

2010-04-07 Thread Gregory Crosswhite
Nicely done! On Apr 7, 2010, at 11:35 AM, Thomas Schilling wrote: http://i.imgur.com/kFqP3.png Didn't know about CSS's rgba to describe transparency. Very useful. On 7 April 2010 18:19, Gregory Crosswhite gcr...@phys.washington.edu wrote: Ooo, I really like this revision; it is a major

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design

2010-04-07 Thread Ivan Lazar Miljenovic
Thomas Schilling nomin...@googlemail.com writes: http://i.imgur.com/kFqP3.png Didn't know about CSS's rgba to describe transparency. Very useful. It's a vely nice!! (in a Borat voice)  (e) I don't have an iPhone, *Droid, or iPad, so I'd need some help testing on any of those. I have a

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design

2010-04-06 Thread Johan Tibell
On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 5:24 AM, Simon Michael si...@joyful.com wrote: On 4/2/10 5:28 AM, Thomas Schilling wrote: How about something more colourful? http://i.imgur.com/7jCPq.png I really like the simplicity of the Cassandra page: http://cassandra.apache.org/

Haskell+Cassandra was: RE: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design

2010-04-06 Thread Dr . Martin Grabmüller
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 11:36 AM To: Simon Michael Cc: haskell-cafe@haskell.org Subject: Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 5:24 AM, Simon Michael si...@joyful.com wrote: On 4/2/10 5:28 AM, Thomas Schilling wrote: How about something more colourful

Re: Haskell+Cassandra was: RE: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design

2010-04-06 Thread Johan Tibell
On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Dr. Martin Grabmüller martin.grabmuel...@eleven.de wrote: Maybe a bit off-topic, but as Johan mentioned the Cassandra web site... Are there any Haskellers out there using Cassandra with Haskell? Not yet but I plan to write a binding for it if I ever get time.

Re: Haskell+Cassandra was: RE: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design

2010-04-06 Thread Sean Leather
On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 11:47, Johan Tibell wrote: On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Dr. Martin Grabmüller martin.grabmuel...@eleven.de wrote: Maybe a bit off-topic, but as Johan mentioned the Cassandra web site... Are there any Haskellers out there using Cassandra with Haskell? Not yet

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design

2010-04-06 Thread Thomas Schilling
Well, they make the wannabe-designer mistake of using justified text in HTML, even worse, for columns just 3 words wide. The overall layout, is pretty nice though. It's essentially the standard Web 2.0 layout (compare http://basecamphq.com/, http://www.blinksale.com/,

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design

2010-04-06 Thread Daniel Peebles
I'm definitely not a design/color person, but has anyone considered using kuler.adobe.com as a source of nice color schemes, since we seem to have an issue coming up with attractive combinations? On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 9:58 AM, Thomas Schilling nomin...@googlemail.comwrote: Well, they make the

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design

2010-04-06 Thread Thomas Schilling
Well, I used http://www.colorschemedesigner.com/ On 6 April 2010 16:20, Daniel Peebles pumpkin...@gmail.com wrote: I'm definitely not a design/color person, but has anyone considered using kuler.adobe.com as a source of nice color schemes, since we seem to have an issue coming up with

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design

2010-04-06 Thread Jeff Heard
There's colourlovers.com as well On Apr 6, 2010, at 12:41 PM, Thomas Schilling nomin...@googlemail.com wrote: Well, I used http://www.colorschemedesigner.com/ On 6 April 2010 16:20, Daniel Peebles pumpkin...@gmail.com wrote: I'm definitely not a design/color person, but has anyone

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design

2010-04-06 Thread Thomas Schilling
Another attempt: http://i.imgur.com/ENvl7.png On 6 April 2010 10:36, Johan Tibell johan.tib...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 5:24 AM, Simon Michael si...@joyful.com wrote: On 4/2/10 5:28 AM, Thomas Schilling wrote: How about something more colourful? http://i.imgur.com/7jCPq.png

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design

2010-04-06 Thread Max Bolingbroke
This is a very nice design. However shouldn't other pages e.g. the wiki template be redesigning to match as well? If this is not going to happen, then I would almost prefer sticking to the current design for consistency's sake. On 6 April 2010 20:11, Thomas Schilling nomin...@googlemail.com

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design

2010-04-06 Thread Thomas Schilling
Here's a matching Wiki style: http://i.imgur.com/XkuzH.png On 6 April 2010 20:35, Max Bolingbroke batterseapo...@hotmail.com wrote: This is a very nice design. However shouldn't other pages e.g. the wiki template be redesigning to match as well? If this is not going to happen, then I would

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design

2010-04-06 Thread Ivan Lazar Miljenovic
Thomas Schilling nomin...@googlemail.com writes: Another attempt: http://i.imgur.com/ENvl7.png I like the layout, but hate the colour scheme. -- Ivan Lazar Miljenovic ivan.miljeno...@gmail.com IvanMiljenovic.wordpress.com ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design

2010-04-06 Thread Thomas Schilling
On 6 April 2010 22:39, Ivan Lazar Miljenovic ivan.miljeno...@gmail.com wrote: Thomas Schilling nomin...@googlemail.com writes: Another attempt:  http://i.imgur.com/ENvl7.png I like the layout, but hate the colour scheme. Wow, hate is a very strong word. In any case, though, I'm pretty sure

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design

2010-04-06 Thread Ivan Miljenovic
On 7 April 2010 08:40, Thomas Schilling nomin...@googlemail.com wrote: On 6 April 2010 22:39, Ivan Lazar Miljenovic ivan.miljeno...@gmail.com wrote: I like the layout, but hate the colour scheme. Wow, hate is a very strong word. OK, I dislike the colour scheme. Happy now? ;-) -- Ivan

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design

2010-04-06 Thread Thomas Schilling
On 7 April 2010 00:57, Ivan Miljenovic ivan.miljeno...@gmail.com wrote: On 7 April 2010 08:40, Thomas Schilling nomin...@googlemail.com wrote: On 6 April 2010 22:39, Ivan Lazar Miljenovic ivan.miljeno...@gmail.com wrote: I like the layout, but hate the colour scheme. Wow, hate is a very

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design

2010-04-06 Thread Ivan Miljenovic
On 7 April 2010 10:02, Thomas Schilling nomin...@googlemail.com wrote: On 7 April 2010 00:57, Ivan Miljenovic ivan.miljeno...@gmail.com wrote: OK, I dislike the colour scheme.  Happy now? ;-) That's still not constructive.  I.e, is it the black, the gray, the orange? OK, it's the black; it

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design

2010-04-06 Thread Gregory Crosswhite
I concur that the latest version with the softer colors looks a lot nicer, and I approve of the overall design. I think that you should go back to using a change in the foreground color rather than the background color for the links in the main description, since at the moment it looks ugly.

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design

2010-04-06 Thread Thomas Schilling
Ok, based on both your and Ivan's comments I modified a bit more. http://i.imgur.com/cumLj.png Making the top columns and the lower columns the same width looks bad, but I agree that the large margin between the blurb and the Documentation headline was too large. After I changed that, however,

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design

2010-04-06 Thread Ivan Miljenovic
On 7 April 2010 10:49, Thomas Schilling nomin...@googlemail.com wrote: http://i.imgur.com/cumLj.png I wonder... is there any reason why the actual page content is so narrow compared to the title bar (to allow for small screens)? [snip] So headings are now a very dark blue. The italic things

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design

2010-04-06 Thread Gregory Crosswhite
Nice! Is there any way you can enlarge the bottom section so that the box in the top-right doesn't look like it is hanging over the side (i.e., having whitespace directly below it and to the right of the main text)? If anything, I think that it would look better for the bottom text to extend

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design

2010-04-06 Thread Thomas Schilling
Ok, last revision for tonight: http://i.imgur.com/d3ARq.png I fixed the link-box hanging over and I made the logo a bit bigger (60px, like currently on the Wiki) Ivan, yes it's more like Slate Grey, no idea what it's called. I have set a maximum width on purpose so that it doesn't degrade too

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design

2010-04-06 Thread Jason Dagit
On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 5:49 PM, Thomas Schilling nomin...@googlemail.comwrote: Ok, based on both your and Ivan's comments I modified a bit more. http://i.imgur.com/cumLj.png Making the top columns and the lower columns the same width looks bad, but I agree that the large margin between the

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design

2010-04-06 Thread Ben Millwood
On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 2:22 AM, Thomas Schilling nomin...@googlemail.com wrote: I have set a maximum width on purpose so that it doesn't degrade too badly on big screens. I've never really trusted this argument - it's not required that the browser window occupy the entire screen, so why not

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design

2010-04-06 Thread Ivan Miljenovic
On 7 April 2010 11:53, Ben Millwood hask...@benmachine.co.uk wrote: I've never really trusted this argument - it's not required that the browser window occupy the entire screen, so why not let the user choose how wide they want their text? Agreed; I hate websites/blogs/etc. that only take up a

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design

2010-04-06 Thread Gregory Crosswhite
Ah, that looks a lot nicer. :-) Cheers, Greg On Apr 6, 2010, at 5:49 PM, Thomas Schilling wrote: Ok, based on both your and Ivan's comments I modified a bit more. http://i.imgur.com/cumLj.png Making the top columns and the lower columns the same width looks bad, but I agree that the

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design

2010-04-06 Thread Gregory Crosswhite
While I think that (d) is a valid concern, it is also important not to let the perfect be the enemy of the good. If we agree that the proposed web site layout is sufficiently better than the current one and is good enough aesthetically, then I think we should go ahead and switch to the new

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design

2010-04-06 Thread Antoine Latter
On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 8:22 PM, Thomas Schilling nomin...@googlemail.com wrote: Ok, last revision for tonight:  http://i.imgur.com/d3ARq.png I'm no web design guru, but this is definitely better than what we have now. Good job on it. Antoine ___

[Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design

2010-04-05 Thread Simon Michael
On 4/2/10 5:28 AM, Thomas Schilling wrote: How about something more colourful? http://i.imgur.com/7jCPq.png No-one replied to this, but I like it. You sacrificed some information density for a simple, engaging, low-stress page (which can still rotate in new content frequently). Anything

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design

2010-04-05 Thread Ivan Miljenovic
On 6 April 2010 13:24, Simon Michael si...@joyful.com wrote: On 4/2/10 5:28 AM, Thomas Schilling wrote: How about something more colourful? http://i.imgur.com/7jCPq.png No-one replied to this, but I like it. You sacrificed some information density for a simple, engaging, low-stress page

[Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design

2010-03-29 Thread Simon Marlow
On 28/03/2010 21:44, Christopher Done wrote: This is a post about re-designing the whole Haskell web site. We got a new logo but didn't really take it any further. For a while there's been talk about a new design for the Haskell web site, and there are loads of web pages about Haskell that

[Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design

2010-03-29 Thread Christopher Done
On 29 March 2010 11:19, Simon Marlow marlo...@gmail.com wrote: Is the footer necessary?  I dislike sites that have too many ways to navigate, and the footer looks superfluous.  The footer will probably be off the bottom of the window in any case, which reduces its usefulness as a navigation

[Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design

2010-03-29 Thread Simon Marlow
On 29/03/2010 13:20, Christopher Done wrote: On 29 March 2010 11:19, Simon Marlowmarlo...@gmail.com wrote: Is the footer necessary? I dislike sites that have too many ways to navigate, and the footer looks superfluous. The footer will probably be off the bottom of the window in any case,

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design

2010-03-29 Thread Sean Leather
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 16:24, Simon Marlow wrote: On 29/03/2010 13:20, Christopher Done wrote: On 29 March 2010 11:19, Simon Marlow wrote: Is the footer necessary? I dislike sites that have too many ways to navigate, and the footer looks superfluous. The footer will probably be off

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design

2010-03-29 Thread Christopher Done
On 29 March 2010 16:16, Sean Leather leat...@cs.uu.nl wrote: On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 16:24, Simon Marlow wrote: IMHO, these aren't compelling reasons.  Note that already on your page there is an inconsistency between the tabs at the top and the headings at the bottom: I don't know where to

[Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design

2010-03-28 Thread Ashley Yakeley
Christopher Done wrote: On 28 March 2010 22:54, Don Stewart d...@galois.com wrote: This looks great! What are the implementation details of having this go live? * Ashley: would you be able to e.g. install an index.html like this, and hang the wiki under it? * How do we allow

[Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design

2010-03-28 Thread Christopher Done
On 28 March 2010 23:32, Ashley Yakeley ash...@semantic.org wrote: There was a big competition for the logo, with this blind Condorcet voting and everything, and this is the shape that was picked. But it kind of ran out of steam before colours were decided upon. So I just copied the colours

[Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design

2010-03-28 Thread Ashley Yakeley
Christopher Done wrote: On 28 March 2010 23:32, Ashley Yakeley ash...@semantic.org wrote: There was a big competition for the logo, with this blind Condorcet voting and everything, and this is the shape that was picked. But it kind of ran out of steam before colours were decided upon. So I just

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design

2010-03-28 Thread Don Stewart
ashley: Christopher Done wrote: On 28 March 2010 23:32, Ashley Yakeley ash...@semantic.org wrote: There was a big competition for the logo, with this blind Condorcet voting and everything, and this is the shape that was picked. But it kind of ran out of steam before colours were decided upon.

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design

2010-03-28 Thread Christopher Done
On 29 March 2010 00:08, Don Stewart d...@galois.com wrote: On 28 March 2010 23:25, Ashley Yakeley ash...@semantic.org wrote: Is the front page a wiki page? By the looks of it, yes. If you go to 'Edit this page', you can see that it's made out of wikimedia templates. But that's just a guess.

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell.org re-design

2010-03-28 Thread Jeff Wheeler
On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 6:07 PM, Ashley Yakeley ash...@semantic.org wrote: No, you're right, they're ugly colours IMO. I originally mocked up the logo that we chose, so I'm partial to the grayish-blue that I used. Others probably work, but I think the combination of blues in the one that's used