Re: [Haskell-cafe] XCode Dependency for HP on Mac

2013-01-21 Thread Andrew H Bridge
Tom Murphy amindfv at gmail.com writes: Is there a way to install HP without XCode? Could there be in the future? I'm tired of dealing with Apple's constant upgrade requirements, registration requirements, etc., and it seems like a small function that XCode actually performs in the Haskell

Re: [Haskell-cafe] XCode Dependency for HP on Mac

2013-01-21 Thread Mark Lentczner
As the README at that repository states, For 10.7 and later Apple now distributes a Command Line Tools package on the developer site. When I build and release the Haskell Platform, I confirm that works when just this package is installed (rather than all of Xcode). The Command Line Tools from

Re: [Haskell-cafe] XCode Dependency for HP on Mac

2013-01-21 Thread Andrew H Bridge
Mark Lentczner mark.lentczner at gmail.com writes: As the README at that repository states, For 10.7 and later Apple now distributes a Command Line Tools package on the developer site. When I build and release the Haskell Platform, I confirm that works when just this package is installed

Re: [Haskell-cafe] XCode Dependency for HP on Mac

2011-07-31 Thread Tom Murphy
On 7/30/11, Mark Lentczner m...@glyphic.com wrote: Hiho - I'm the maintainer of the Mac installer for HP. I thought I'd chime in a bit: An expert :) On Mac OS X, developer tools is essentially synonymous with Xcode. That is, to get the set of standard utilities needed for development on

Re: [Haskell-cafe] XCode Dependency for HP on Mac

2011-07-31 Thread Manuel M T Chakravarty
In addition to the excellent reasons that Mark outlined, there is another important reason to *not* include gcc and friends in the HP. Every software developer (as opposed to friend of a friend who just wanted to try to learn programming with Haskell on a road trip) will already have Xcode

Re: [Haskell-cafe] XCode Dependency for HP on Mac

2011-07-30 Thread Mark Lentczner
Hiho - I'm the maintainer of the Mac installer for HP. I thought I'd chime in a bit: On Mac OS X, developer tools is essentially synonymous with Xcode. That is, to get the set of standard utilities needed for development on compiled executables (notably the binutils), you install Xcode. True, it

Re: [Haskell-cafe] XCode Dependency for HP on Mac

2011-07-28 Thread Tom Murphy
+1 - does anyone know the answer to this? On Jul 27, 2011 2:04 PM, Chris Smith cdsm...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 2011-07-27 at 07:20 -0400, Jack Henahan wrote: Bundling things with the HP is just going to bloat that download and confuse new users more (and my god, the dep-chasing... the number

Re: [Haskell-cafe] XCode Dependency for HP on Mac

2011-07-28 Thread Judah Jacobson
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 7:59 AM, Tom Murphy amin...@gmail.com wrote: +1 - does anyone know the answer to this? On Jul 27, 2011 2:04 PM, Chris Smith cdsm...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 2011-07-27 at 07:20 -0400, Jack Henahan wrote: Bundling things with the HP is just going to bloat that download

Re: [Haskell-cafe] XCode Dependency for HP on Mac

2011-07-27 Thread Tom Murphy
On 7/27/11, Richard O'Keefe o...@cs.otago.ac.nz wrote: A quick web search for Mac OS X gcc binary turned up http://hpc.sourceforge.net/index.php with binary releases of GCC 4.6 for Lion and Snow Leopard. This requires Developer Tools, but that isn't XCode, and it's on the OS X DVD.

Re: [Haskell-cafe] XCode Dependency for HP on Mac

2011-07-27 Thread Arlen Cuss
27/07/2011 4:25 PM, Tom Murphy kirjutas: On 7/27/11, Richard O'Keefe o...@cs.otago.ac.nz wrote: A quick web search for Mac OS X gcc binary turned up http://hpc.sourceforge.net/index.php with binary releases of GCC 4.6 for Lion and Snow Leopard. This requires Developer Tools, but that isn't

Re: [Haskell-cafe] XCode Dependency for HP on Mac

2011-07-27 Thread Chris Smith
Okay, you're all scaring me again. I'm supposed to be teaching a class this next school year, on Haskell programming, to middle schoolers aged 12 to 13. Some of the students will be using Macs, and I'm again very confused about the situation of the Haskell platform on MacOS. There are different

Re: [Haskell-cafe] XCode Dependency for HP on Mac

2011-07-27 Thread Tim Cowlishaw
On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 8:09 AM, Chris Smith cdsm...@gmail.com wrote: Alternatively, maybe it would it be easier to have the Mac users install VMWare's free version and I can just have them install Windows or Linux in that?  Or does it also have weird dependency issues like this, too?

Re: [Haskell-cafe] XCode Dependency for HP on Mac

2011-07-27 Thread Sean Leather
On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 05:55, Tom Murphy wrote: This may sound ignorant because, well, it is ignorant: I know very little about the underlying mechanics here. Installing the Haskell Platform currently requires XCode developer tools. To get XCode on my 10.6 machine, I... ... will check

Re: [Haskell-cafe] XCode Dependency for HP on Mac

2011-07-27 Thread Niklas Larsson
XCode 4.1 is free on the Mac App Store; but that requires OSX 10.7; they seem to have removed Xcode 4 that used to be $5 there. I can still download Xcode 4 on my developer account, but that isn't available to people who don't pay up. I think Apple is making a good case here for bundling gcc and

Re: [Haskell-cafe] XCode Dependency for HP on Mac - old XCode versions

2011-07-27 Thread Clive Brettingham-Moore
To get XCode on my 10.6 machine, I... I had quite a hunt recently to find the most recent XCode for my not-so-recent mac... so I'll share what I found: If you are a registered developer (free reg is fine) with apple go to http://connect.apple.com/ Hit the link to developer tools, and you will

Re: [Haskell-cafe] XCode Dependency for HP on Mac

2011-07-27 Thread Jack Henahan
http://developer.apple.com/devcenter/mac/index.action Go there. Log in (free account). Download Xcode 3.2.6. If you want the full complement of blessed UNIX-y tools, you have to get Xcode. Bundling things with the HP is just going to bloat that download and confuse new users more (and my god,

Re: [Haskell-cafe] XCode Dependency for HP on Mac - old XCodeversions

2011-07-27 Thread Donn Cave
Quoth Clive Brettingham-Moore hask...@brettingham-moore.net, To get XCode on my 10.6 machine, I... I had quite a hunt recently to find the most recent XCode for my not-so-recent mac... so I'll share what I found: Were you able to look on your install CD? Donn

Re: [Haskell-cafe] XCode Dependency for HP on Mac

2011-07-27 Thread Chris Smith
On Wed, 2011-07-27 at 08:27 +0100, Tim Cowlishaw wrote: (Perhaps wandering slightly O/T, but...) Having done some teaching in similar circumstances before (although not with Haskell), I'd highly recommend this approach. In fact, I'd probably have all the students, regardless of OS install

Re: [Haskell-cafe] XCode Dependency for HP on Mac

2011-07-27 Thread Chris Smith
On Wed, 2011-07-27 at 07:20 -0400, Jack Henahan wrote: Bundling things with the HP is just going to bloat that download and confuse new users more (and my god, the dep-chasing... the number of libs that might have to be piled in on top of it could be absurd). I don't understand this. Are

Re: [Haskell-cafe] XCode Dependency for HP on Mac

2011-07-27 Thread Tom Murphy
On Jul 27, 2011 3:30 AM, Sean Leather leat...@cs.uu.nl wrote: To get XCode on my 10.6 machine, I... ... will check out the related discussion: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.haskell.cafe/89745 I remember this thread from last month, but several of the details have changed

Re: [Haskell-cafe] XCode Dependency for HP on Mac

2011-07-27 Thread Ivan Lazar Miljenovic
On 28 July 2011 03:58, Chris Smith cdsm...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 2011-07-27 at 08:27 +0100, Tim Cowlishaw wrote: (Perhaps wandering slightly O/T, but...) Having done some teaching in similar circumstances before (although not with Haskell), I'd highly recommend this approach. In fact, I'd

[Haskell-cafe] XCode Dependency for HP on Mac

2011-07-26 Thread Tom Murphy
This may sound ignorant because, well, it is ignorant: I know very little about the underlying mechanics here. Installing the Haskell Platform currently requires XCode developer tools. To get XCode on my 10.6 machine, I... [*** begin ranty details (skippable) ... was told I could get a free

Re: [Haskell-cafe] XCode Dependency for HP on Mac

2011-07-26 Thread Ivan Lazar Miljenovic
On 27 July 2011 13:55, Tom Murphy amin...@gmail.com wrote: This may sound ignorant because, well, it is ignorant: I know very little about the underlying mechanics here. Installing the Haskell Platform currently requires XCode developer tools. To get XCode on my 10.6 machine, I... My

Re: [Haskell-cafe] XCode Dependency for HP on Mac

2011-07-26 Thread Tom Murphy
On 7/27/11, Ivan Lazar Miljenovic ivan.miljeno...@gmail.com wrote: Installing the Haskell Platform currently requires XCode developer tools. To get XCode on my 10.6 machine, I... My understanding is that it's about $5 (though I seem to recall hearing that they recently made it free), but I

Re: [Haskell-cafe] XCode Dependency for HP on Mac

2011-07-26 Thread Ivan Lazar Miljenovic
On 27 July 2011 14:18, Tom Murphy amin...@gmail.com wrote: On 7/27/11, Ivan Lazar Miljenovic ivan.miljeno...@gmail.com wrote: Installing the Haskell Platform currently requires XCode developer tools. To get XCode on my 10.6 machine, I... My understanding is that it's about $5 (though I seem

Re: [Haskell-cafe] XCode Dependency for HP on Mac

2011-07-26 Thread Richard O'Keefe
On 27/07/2011, at 4:24 PM, Ivan Lazar Miljenovic wrote: If this is the case, couldn't the HP use gcc instead? I'd personally advocate gcc as standard, not as a workaround, because a) gcc is FOSS. b) XCode is 4GB and its functionality is basically orthogonal to the needs of Haskell

Re: [Haskell-cafe] XCode Dependency for HP on Mac

2011-07-26 Thread Maciej Wos
If you're using Lion you can get Xcode from the App Store (Apple used to charge something for it, but now it is free). If you're using Snow Leopard you can download Xcode from developer.apple.com/xcode. See Looking for Xcode 3? Download Now in the bottom right corner of the page. You need to

Re: [Haskell-cafe] XCode Dependency for HP on Mac

2011-07-26 Thread Arlen Cuss
27/07/2011 3:27 PM, Maciej Wos kirjutas: If you're using Lion you can get Xcode from the App Store (Apple used to charge something for it, but now it is free). If you're using Snow Leopard you can download Xcode from developer.apple.com/xcode. See Looking for Xcode 3? Download Now in the