locality
at the expense of parallelism, usually I find it is an improvement in
parallel programs.
I'd think so too. Figuring out what went on here is going to have to
wait until I get more detailed GC information in the eventlog.
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On 2010-03-05 10:50 +0100 (Fri), Henning Thielemann wrote:
Curt Sampson schrieb:
Understanding the general techniques for this sort of thing and seeing
where you're likely to need to apply them isn't all that difficult, once
you understand the problem. (It's probably much easier if you don't
On 2010-06-19 16:43 +0100 (Sat), Max Bolingbroke wrote:
Curt Sampson had an experience report at ICFP last year about his
experience with Haskell for a real time application
(http://www.starling-software.com/blogimg/tsac/s5/2009-09-01-icfp.html).
He reported no issues with GC speed
reading a lot of the code out there (particularly disasters such
as Rails), I suspect a lot of Ruby programmers don't get much past
this level.
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1768 projects; I have no idea how much overlap there is, or
how many of these are real.
I think we just need to sit tight for a couple of years.
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On 2009-10-02 09:03 -0600 (Fri), John A. De Goes wrote:
[Haskell] is missing many key libraries that would be of great
commercial value.
Just out of curiousity, can you give me some examples of what you feel
these are?
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successfully moved into the mainstream and is
well-accepted by many parts of it.
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say libraries aren't important. True, it is nice to
have good ones that really help you be productive, but not only does
Haskell not have them, neither Java nor Ruby do, either.
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On 2009-10-11 10:58 -0600 (Sun), John A. De Goes wrote:
On Oct 9, 2009, at 10:37 PM, Curt Sampson wrote:
And if libraries are the issue, why would not just creating a SWIG for
GHC make all of these people move to Haskell?
Making it possible and making it easy are two different things. It's
developers, and
you can replace a developer if one leaves.
There's the key difference between us, I suppose. You believe that
knowing the syntax and libraries of a language is the hardest part of a
programming project. I believe it's a nearly trivial part.
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seems annoying to you, consider that in
ISO-8859-1 it's not possible to express the simplest Japanese word.
So moving from ISO-8859-1 to UTF-8 is done in the same spirit that
we long ago started using ISO-8859-1 instead of ASCII, so that you
could type façade instead of facade.)
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monad
tutorials at some point (I like All About Monads) to learn more about
these things.
BTW, look up the source code for when. :-)
http://haskell.org/ghc/docs/latest/html/libraries/base/src/Control-Monad.html#when
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the
description didn't quite do it for you. (This is one of the joys of
Haskell.)
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with
something as awful as Rails, five years from now. It would be like
waking up to find out that everybody remembered The Smiths for Morrissey,
not Marr...
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.
Funny, I do too. Still, when Luxuria opened for them in Vancouver in the
'90s, I started to think about what Howard Devoto was doing
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that particular point in this case appears to me
to lie outside the realm of testing.
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On 2009-11-10 08:24 + (Tue), Conor McBride wrote:
On 10 Nov 2009, at 05:52, Curt Sampson wrote:
This is sometimes described as the reflective proof method: express
problem in language capturing decidable fragment; hit with big stick.
Well, that's pretty sweet. *And* you get to use a big
find them so. Any individual space
leak you're looking at is easy to fix, but the constant vigilance is
difficult.
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by those
the sources, System.Mem.performGC always does a
major GC.
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of a low-volume list that dealt with
only GC stuff.
I'd even be open to providing hosting for the list, using my little baby
mailing list manager written in Haskell (mhailist). It's primitive, but
it does handle subscribing, unsubscribing and forwarding of messages.
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, but that's because
I don't understand much else. :-) Before you get all hung up on them,
though, I recommend reading The Typeclassopedia,[1], which will
introduce you to all of the monad's friends and family.
[1]: http://byorgey.wordpress.com/2009/03/16/monadreader-13-is-out/
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http://www.starling-software.com/en/blog/drafts/2009/09/27.succ-java-summary.html
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at bringing a more
Haskell-like language to the JVM, or add more Haskell-like features to
existing JVM languages.
Third, even if a shop is not going to switch, having people understand
what's out there, and where many of these ideas come from, is a good
thing, I feel.
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of the
example from the original article
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think.
Nonetheless, since all of this is rather missing the point of my
articles, anyway, I think I'll leave that as my last word on the topic.
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code, and all of the work done to adapt a system to that
model, and replace it with a few hundred lines of SQL and JDBC calls.
That library has probably wasted more man-years than anything else I've
seen in the Java world.
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need interpret only the particular modules
you're trying to debug, and all the rest the application can run at full,
compiled speed.
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with risk would ever attempt to use it. The
financial sector happens to have a lot more of those than many others.
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the example any time, because insight
will be quicker.
Actually, I find that for many problems there is no quick insight. The
true understanding of the problem comes with struggling with it, rather
than mastering it.
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they were designed that way that would be informed
by something like the above, I'm not sure.
Including a design document with libraries that explains how and why
they were designed that way might be a big help.
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be to go thorugh it and convert it to use parens instead of $,
full application instead of ., and so on.)
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to become popular.
[1] I've ported a fair amount of both Ruby and Haskell code from Unix
to Windows, so I think I have a pretty good handle on the the relative
portability of both.
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which one of these that Haskell uses.
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ideas, you're actually marketing to a problem that has better
solutions already in the mainstream.
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;
n = write(5, foobar\n, 7);
printf(write returned %d\n, n);
return 0;
}
and run it with ./a.out 51 and have a look at the result you get.
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that the title changes to foo.
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On Thu, 2008-12-25 at 15:17 +0900, Curt Sampson wrote:
I'm
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