[Haskell-cafe] Re: A rant against the blurb on the Haskell front page

2010-10-19 Thread Heinrich Apfelmus
Henning Thielemann wrote: Vo Minh Thu schrieb: Every once in a while, a discussion about the top-level text on Haskell.org pops in this list. Without paying much attention to this thread, and without digging the older threads, it occurs to me that different people have very different opinion

[Haskell-cafe] Re: A rant against the blurb on the Haskell front page

2010-10-18 Thread DavidA
Ketil Malde ketil at malde.org writes: Don Stewart dons at galois.com writes: Good start, if only the advanced were replaced with something more characteristic, like lazy, or statically typed. Which, BTW, both do not lazy and statically typed don't mean much to other people. They are

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: A rant against the blurb on the Haskell front page

2010-10-18 Thread Vo Minh Thu
2010/10/18 DavidA polyom...@f2s.com: Ketil Malde ketil at malde.org writes: Don Stewart dons at galois.com writes: Good start, if only the advanced were replaced with something more characteristic, like lazy, or statically typed. Which, BTW, both do not lazy and statically typed

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: A rant against the blurb on the Haskell front page

2010-10-18 Thread Henning Thielemann
Vo Minh Thu schrieb: Every once in a while, a discussion about the top-level text on Haskell.org pops in this list. Without paying much attention to this thread, and without digging the older threads, it occurs to me that different people have very different opinion on this subject. I think

[Haskell-cafe] Re: A rant against the blurb on the Haskell front page

2010-10-17 Thread Stefan Monnier
Good start, if only the advanced were replaced with something more characteristic, like lazy, or statically typed. Which, BTW, both do not appear in the whole blurb, even though they are *the* characteristics of Haskell, lazyness being even something that sets it apart from most other

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: A rant against the blurb on the Haskell front page

2010-10-17 Thread Jeremy Shaw
On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 1:32 PM, Stefan Monnier monn...@iro.umontreal.ca wrote: AFAIK laziness is a property of the major implementations of Haskell, but not really of the language itself.  All I see in the Haskell report points at it being applicative, call by name, but nowhere does the

[Haskell-cafe] Re: A rant against the blurb on the Haskell front page

2010-10-16 Thread Ben Franksen
Don Stewart wrote: ben.franksen: Haskell is an advanced purely functional programming language. Good start, if only the advanced were replaced with something more characteristic, like lazy, or statically typed. Which, BTW, both do not lazy and statically

[Haskell-cafe] Re: A rant against the blurb on the Haskell front page

2010-10-16 Thread Ben Franksen
Donn Cave wrote: Quoth Ben Franksen ben.frank...@online.de, Enough. I think I have made my point. Yes, though possibly a little overstated it. While it's easy to share your distaste for the blurb, if you take a generous attitude towards it, most of it is true enough. Sorry. I was not in a

[Haskell-cafe] Re: A rant against the blurb on the Haskell front page

2010-10-16 Thread Ben Franksen
Christopher Done wrote: On 16 October 2010 05:52, Ben Franksen ben.frank...@online.de wrote: what marketing idiot has written this inclonclusive mumble-jumble of buzz-words? [...] How can anyone write such a nonsense? Haskell is not an open source product! [...] I am ashamed that it

[Haskell-cafe] Re: A rant against the blurb on the Haskell front page

2010-10-16 Thread Ben Franksen
Ben Franksen wrote: That cutting edge research is done for Haskell as well as for its implementations is of course good to know, but just stating it is not nearly enough: such a statement must be corroberated with evidence, otherwise it is just idle marketing. (Not that

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: A rant against the blurb on the Haskell front page

2010-10-16 Thread wren ng thornton
On 10/16/10 10:48 AM, Ben Franksen wrote: Don Stewart wrote: It is open source, and was born open source. It is the product of research. How can a language be open source, or rather, how can it *not* be open source? The point of a (programming) language is that it has a published ('open')

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: A rant against the blurb on the Haskell front page

2010-10-16 Thread wren ng thornton
On 10/16/10 11:34 AM, Ben Franksen wrote: Christopher Done wrote: To solve this ambiguity that phrase is a link that people can click to find out what it means. Object oriented, dynamically typed, stack-based are about as meaningful. The difference may be that everyone thinks he knows what

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: A rant against the blurb on the Haskell front page

2010-10-16 Thread wren ng thornton
On 10/16/10 11:22 AM, Ben Franksen wrote: Much better. Though I *do* think mentioning the main implementations and their qualities is a good thing to o, right after this: [...]The most important Haskell implementation, ghc [like to ghc page], has served as a test bed for practical application