Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Thinking about what's missing in our library coverage

2009-08-13 Thread Jason Dagit
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:53 PM, Don Stewart d...@galois.com wrote: alexander.dunlap: o pandoc — markdown, reStructuredText, HTML, LaTeX, ConTeXt, Docbook, OpenDocument, ODT, RTF, MediaWiki, groff No. Pandoc is too actively developed to go into the HP. It's also much more of

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Thinking about what's missing in our library coverage

2009-08-07 Thread Johan Tibell
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 7:40 AM, Alexander Dunlapalexander.dun...@gmail.com wrote: Interface unification would help. Especially network-bytestring seems to be too ad-hoc for me - it would probably be better to put ByteString support into the regular Network library It's my intention to get

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Thinking about what's missing in our library coverage

2009-08-05 Thread Magnus Therning
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 11:05 PM, Max Rabkinmax.rab...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 11:56 PM, Magnus Therningmag...@therning.org wrote: AIUI, on systems with working package managers, HP will be a metapackage which depends on the appropriate real packages. Yes, but again, the role

Re[2]: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Thinking about what's missing in our library coverage

2009-08-05 Thread Bulat Ziganshin
Hello Magnus, Wednesday, August 5, 2009, 11:37:23 AM, you wrote: I don't know of any other way either. I just strongly oppose the idea that HP should take on the role of providing C lib bindings just because on some platforms it's hard to satisfy the C dependencies. those some platfroms are

Re: Re[2]: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Thinking about what's missing in our library coverage

2009-08-05 Thread Magnus Therning
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 8:59 AM, Bulat Ziganshinbulat.zigans...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Magnus, Wednesday, August 5, 2009, 11:37:23 AM, you wrote: I don't know of any other way either.  I just strongly oppose the idea that HP should take on the role of providing C lib bindings just because on

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Thinking about what's missing in our library coverage

2009-08-05 Thread Yitzchak Gale
I agree with most of Alexander's many thoughtful comments about Don's list of potential additions to HP. But I disagree about pandoc. Alexander Dunlap wrote: No. Pandoc is too actively developed to go into the HP. It depends on the nature of the development. If the API is currently very

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Thinking about what's missing in our library coverage

2009-08-05 Thread Yitzchak Gale
Tom Tobin wrote: As I understand it, Pandoc is entirely under the GPL (not LGPL). Oh. That would be an issue, yes. Too bad. Thanks, Yitz ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Thinking about what's missing in our library coverage

2009-08-05 Thread Colin Paul Adams
Tom == Tom Tobin korp...@korpios.com writes: Tom As I understand it, Pandoc is entirely under the GPL (not Tom LGPL). I'd be very wary of accepting a GPL'd library as a I'd be very upset if pandoc weren't blessed. Tom blessed standard library, since it would be completely Tom

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Thinking about what's missing in our library coverage

2009-08-05 Thread Tom Tobin
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 10:19 AM, Colin Paul Adamsco...@colina.demon.co.uk wrote: Just because a library is blessed, doesn't mean you have to use it. Then I'm not sure I understand the point of blessing it in a set of libraries that saves you the task of picking and choosing the best Haskell

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Thinking about what's missing in our library coverage

2009-08-05 Thread Colin Paul Adams
Tom == Tom Tobin korp...@korpios.com writes: This can surely be tackled by cabal, as it already has the license information. Tom I don't see this as a real solution; why would a package be It should be done anyway, irrespective of the platform. Tom added to the platform in

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Thinking about what's missing in our library coverage

2009-08-05 Thread Tom Tobin
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 10:46 AM, Colin Paul Adamsco...@colina.demon.co.uk wrote: Tom == Tom Tobin korp...@korpios.com writes:     This can surely be tackled by cabal, as it already has the     license information.    Tom I don't see this as a real solution; why would a package be It should

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Thinking about what's missing in our library coverage

2009-08-05 Thread John A. De Goes
Tom is exactly right here. GPL is the kiss of death in the commercial world. Haskell Platform exists in part to encourage industry use of Haskell -- and to encourage braindead use of blessed libraries. GPL libraries have no place in HP. Regards, John A. De Goes N-Brain, Inc. The

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Thinking about what's missing in our library coverage

2009-08-05 Thread Robin Green
On Wed, 5 Aug 2009 11:03:55 -0500 Tom Tobin korp...@korpios.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 10:46 AM, Colin Paul Adamsco...@colina.demon.co.uk wrote: Tom == Tom Tobin korp...@korpios.com writes:     This can surely be tackled by cabal, as it already has the     license information.

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Thinking about what's missing in our library coverage

2009-08-05 Thread Robin Green
And even if you don't agree with that, it would likely lead to accidental use of GPL software in proprietary software, which is not a good thing. -- Robin On Wed, 5 Aug 2009 09:33:34 -0700 John A. De Goes j...@n-brain.net wrote: Tom is exactly right here. GPL is the kiss of death in the

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Thinking about what's missing in our library coverage

2009-08-05 Thread Don Stewart
bulat.ziganshin: Hello Magnus, Wednesday, August 5, 2009, 11:37:23 AM, you wrote: I don't know of any other way either. I just strongly oppose the idea that HP should take on the role of providing C lib bindings just because on some platforms it's hard to satisfy the C dependencies.

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Thinking about what's missing in our library coverage

2009-08-05 Thread Don Stewart
gale: Other batteries included platforms contain various tools for processing markup that are far less general than pandoc. This is a place where Haskell can shine. So yes, pandoc should definitely be included in the platform. All that said, though, I will certainly agree that it is not

[Haskell-cafe] Re: Thinking about what's missing in our library coverage

2009-08-04 Thread John MacFarlane
+++ Don Stewart [Aug 03 09 22:53 ]: alexander.dunlap:          o pandoc — markdown, reStructuredText, HTML, LaTeX, ConTeXt, Docbook, OpenDocument, ODT, RTF, MediaWiki, groff No. Pandoc is too actively developed to go into the HP. It's also much more of an end-user application than a

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Thinking about what's missing in our library coverage

2009-08-04 Thread Magnus Therning
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 4:54 PM, John MacFarlanej...@berkeley.edu wrote: [..] In this connection, I want to make a general point about the HP: In a way, it doesn't matter so much which additional pure Haskell libraries it includes, because once you have cabal install, you can get anything

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Thinking about what's missing in our library coverage

2009-08-04 Thread Max Rabkin
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Magnus Therningmag...@therning.org wrote: AFAIU the plan is to separate GHC and its platform packages, so in the future it might not be that easy to get to the point where you _can_ run 'cabal install'. Absolutely not. The point of HP is to make the path from

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Thinking about what's missing in our library coverage

2009-08-04 Thread Bulat Ziganshin
Hello John, Tuesday, August 4, 2009, 7:54:14 PM, you wrote: methods other than Deflate. A better solution, perhaps, would be a binding to libzip. it's hard to find feature list for libzip, but i suggest to look into 7zip library support. it supports lot of archive formats, including zip, rar,

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Thinking about what's missing in our library coverage

2009-08-04 Thread Bryan O'Sullivan
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:40 PM, Alexander Dunlap alexander.dun...@gmail.com wrote: o unicode text [text] [text-icu] — packed, unicode text This is essential, although I don't know if it is stable enough for the platform (?). I'm doing some cleaning up of the APIs at the moment

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Thinking about what's missing in our library coverage

2009-08-04 Thread Magnus Therning
Max Rabkin wrote: On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Magnus Therningmag...@therning.org wrote: AFAIU the plan is to separate GHC and its platform packages, so in the future it might not be that easy to get to the point where you _can_ run 'cabal install'. Absolutely not. The point of HP is to

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Thinking about what's missing in our library coverage

2009-08-04 Thread Max Rabkin
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 11:56 PM, Magnus Therningmag...@therning.org wrote: AIUI, on systems with working package managers, HP will be a metapackage which depends on the appropriate real packages. Yes, but again, the role of HP shouldn't be to limit the pain of installing bindings to C

[Haskell-cafe] Re: Thinking about what's missing in our library coverage

2009-08-03 Thread Alexander Dunlap
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 4:44 PM, Don Stewartd...@galois.com wrote: Following Simon M's advice, I look over the typical batteries categories, using Python as input:    http://docs.python.org/library/index.html The following things were missing from the current Platform. There are many. How

[Haskell-cafe] Re: Thinking about what's missing in our library coverage

2009-08-03 Thread Don Stewart
alexander.dunlap:          o pandoc — markdown, reStructuredText, HTML, LaTeX, ConTeXt, Docbook, OpenDocument, ODT, RTF, MediaWiki, groff No. Pandoc is too actively developed to go into the HP. It's also much more of an end-user application than a standard library - it's applications are