Re: [Haskell-cafe] hello Haskell
Tom Murphy amin...@gmail.com writes: Blocking/unsubscribing people based on their email provider seems... sort of impolite or unwelcoming. A greylist could work. Greylist, as in temporarily refuse a message, and wait for the sending mail server to retry? I don't see how it would work against hijacked hotmail accounts, they most likely use the real hotmail service - which would retry appropriately. My own experience indicates that spammers now often correctly retry deliveries, so greylisting is less effective than it used to be. Given the relatively low volume of spam, my vote is for the original suggestion of first-message-moderated, with the ability to put an address back on moderation if their account is hacked. +1 -k -- If I haven't seen further, it is by standing in the footprints of giants ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] hello Haskell
On 24 October 2011 18:15, Ketil Malde ke...@malde.org wrote: Tom Murphy amin...@gmail.com writes: Blocking/unsubscribing people based on their email provider seems... sort of impolite or unwelcoming. A greylist could work. Greylist, as in temporarily refuse a message, and wait for the sending mail server to retry? I don't see how it would work against hijacked hotmail accounts, they most likely use the real hotmail service - which would retry appropriately. My own experience indicates that spammers now often correctly retry deliveries, so greylisting is less effective than it used to be. Given the relatively low volume of spam, my vote is for the original suggestion of first-message-moderated, with the ability to put an address back on moderation if their account is hacked. I see greylisting as specialised form of moderation: * If it's a new user and they send spam, kick them off the list. * If it seems an existing user has had their email hacked, give them more than one chance before kicking them off the list, possibly sending a message to them directly to check if they are still able to access their account and stop the hijacking. But +1 to at least moderating new users; I'd prefer something more concrete for dealing with possibly hacked accounts than just moderating them again. -- Ivan Lazar Miljenovic ivan.miljeno...@gmail.com IvanMiljenovic.wordpress.com ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] hello Haskell
Daniel Fischer wrote: Just for the record, not a newcomer, and has non-spam messages Conrad Parker wrote: There was a recent hotmail exploit, with people reporting their account sent spam... No exploit is needed. It is trivial for an impostor to seem as if he is sending email from someone else's account, and spammers do that all the time. There is nothing special about Hotmail. There are some ways to detect that kind of fraud. One method is SPF, which is currently being pushed by Google and some other email providers: http://openspf.org/ Unfortunately, Mailman, or at least the version we are currently using on all of our servers, does not support this AFAIK. In fact, our domains do not even have SPF records themselves yet. So all mail from our mailing lists is flagged as suspicious by Google and many other providers. I hope that will be fixed soon. It's true, even when a system like SPF is in place, it is still possible to bypass it by breaking in to an email account and actually sending the spam from there. But we have not yet reached the point where such an exploit is even needed. For now, we are just relying on the classic method of using a server-side spam filter. This incident seems to have gotten past that. Thanks, Yitz ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] hello Haskell
R J wrote: hey Haskell this is nuts http://www.business10i.com hey Haskell this is nuts ://xxx.xxx.xxx Maybe its time to moderate all newcomers to this list, at least until they post one non-spam message to the list. If you need volunteers to do this moderation I'll stick my hand up. Erik -- -- Erik de Castro Lopo http://www.mega-nerd.com/ ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] hello Haskell
The GUI list could definitely use this type of moderation. Tom / amindfv On Oct 23, 2011 9:54 PM, Erik de Castro Lopo mle...@mega-nerd.com wrote: R J wrote: hey Haskell this is nuts http://www.business10i.com hey Haskell this is nuts ://xxx.xxx.xxx Maybe its time to moderate all newcomers to this list, at least until they post one non-spam message to the list. If you need volunteers to do this moderation I'll stick my hand up. Erik -- -- Erik de Castro Lopo http://www.mega-nerd.com/ ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] hello Haskell
I don't think OP realizes that we *avoid* success at all costs. -deech On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 9:17 PM, Tom Murphy amin...@gmail.com wrote: The GUI list could definitely use this type of moderation. Tom / amindfv On Oct 23, 2011 9:54 PM, Erik de Castro Lopo mle...@mega-nerd.com wrote: R J wrote: hey Haskell this is nuts http://www.business10i.com hey Haskell this is nuts ://xxx.xxx.xxx Maybe its time to moderate all newcomers to this list, at least until they post one non-spam message to the list. If you need volunteers to do this moderation I'll stick my hand up. Erik -- -- Erik de Castro Lopo http://www.mega-nerd.com/ ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] hello Haskell
On Monday 24 October 2011, 03:54:09, Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: R J wrote: hey Haskell this is nuts http://www.business10i.com hey Haskell this is nuts ://xxx.xxx.xxx Maybe its time to moderate all newcomers to this list, at least until they post one non-spam message to the list. Just for the record, not a newcomer, and has non-spam messages, e.g. http://www.haskell.org/pipermail/haskell-cafe/2010-May/077871.html http://www.haskell.org/pipermail/haskell-cafe/2010-May/078054.html If you need volunteers to do this moderation I'll stick my hand up. Erik ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] hello Haskell
Daniel Fischer wrote: On Monday 24 October 2011, 03:54:09, Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: R J wrote: hey Haskell this is nuts http://www.business10i.com hey Haskell this is nuts ://xxx.xxx.xxx Maybe its time to moderate all newcomers to this list, at least until they post one non-spam message to the list. Just for the record, not a newcomer, and has non-spam messages, e.g. http://www.haskell.org/pipermail/haskell-cafe/2010-May/077871.html http://www.haskell.org/pipermail/haskell-cafe/2010-May/078054.html That suggests a hijacked account. Such accounts could still be put under moderation. Erik -- -- Erik de Castro Lopo http://www.mega-nerd.com/ ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] hello Haskell
On 24 October 2011 10:57, Daniel Fischer daniel.is.fisc...@googlemail.com wrote: On Monday 24 October 2011, 03:54:09, Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: R J wrote: hey Haskell this is nuts http://www.business10i.com hey Haskell this is nuts ://xxx.xxx.xxx Maybe its time to moderate all newcomers to this list, at least until they post one non-spam message to the list. Just for the record, not a newcomer, and has non-spam messages, e.g. http://www.haskell.org/pipermail/haskell-cafe/2010-May/077871.html http://www.haskell.org/pipermail/haskell-cafe/2010-May/078054.html There was a recent hotmail exploit, with people reporting their account sent spam, see eg: https://plus.google.com/117020778736538274606/posts/4yMP7iDshCf I'd be in favor of graylisting or unsubscribing anyone who uses hotmail. Conrad. If you need volunteers to do this moderation I'll stick my hand up. Erik ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] hello Haskell
On Monday 24 October 2011, 05:04:03, Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: That suggests a hijacked account. Looks quite so, cf. Conrad Parker's message. Such accounts could still be put under moderation. Yes, that's probably the best. ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
Re: [Haskell-cafe] hello Haskell
Blocking/unsubscribing people based on their email provider seems... sort of impolite or unwelcoming. A greylist could work. Given the relatively low volume of spam, my vote is for the original suggestion of first-message-moderated, with the ability to put an address back on moderation if their account is hacked. Tom / amindfv On Oct 23, 2011 11:09 PM, Conrad Parker con...@metadecks.org wrote: On 24 October 2011 10:57, Daniel Fischer daniel.is.fisc...@googlemail.com wrote: On Monday 24 October 2011, 03:54:09, Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: R J wrote: hey Haskell this is nuts http://www.business10i.com hey Haskell this is nuts ://xxx.xxx.xxx Maybe its time to moderate all newcomers to this list, at least until they post one non-spam message to the list. Just for the record, not a newcomer, and has non-spam messages, e.g. http://www.haskell.org/pipermail/haskell-cafe/2010-May/077871.html http://www.haskell.org/pipermail/haskell-cafe/2010-May/078054.html There was a recent hotmail exploit, with people reporting their account sent spam, see eg: https://plus.google.com/117020778736538274606/posts/4yMP7iDshCf I'd be in favor of graylisting or unsubscribing anyone who uses hotmail. Conrad. If you need volunteers to do this moderation I'll stick my hand up. Erik ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
[Haskell-cafe] hello Haskell
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Re: [Haskell-cafe] hello Haskell
On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 9:23 AM, R J rj248...@hotmail.com wrote: hey Haskell check it out http://www.fastnews10i.com OK, who has the ban hammer? G -- Gregory Collins g...@gregorycollins.net ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell-cafe
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