RE: Using HBase on other file systems

2010-05-16 Thread Gibbon, Robert, VF-Group
...@cloudera.com] Sent: Sun 5/16/2010 12:27 AM To: hbase-user@hadoop.apache.org Subject: Re: Using HBase on other file systems On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 1:19 PM, Gibbon, Robert, VF-Group robert.gib...@vodafone.com wrote: Todd thanks for replying. 4x 7200 spindles and no RAID = approx 360 IOPS

RE: Using HBase on other file systems

2010-05-15 Thread Gibbon, Robert, VF-Group
@hadoop.apache.org Subject: Re: Using HBase on other file systems On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 2:15 PM, Gibbon, Robert, VF-Group robert.gib...@vodafone.com wrote: Hmm. What level of IOPs does Hbase need in order to support a reasonably responsive level of service? How much latency in transfer times

Re: Using HBase on other file systems

2010-05-15 Thread baleksan
®erred Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Gibbon, Robert, VF-Group robert.gib...@vodafone.com Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 22:19:57 To: hbase-user@hadoop.apache.org Subject: RE: Using HBase on other file systems Todd thanks for replying. 4x 7200 spindles and no RAID

RE: Using HBase on other file systems

2010-05-15 Thread Andrew Purtell
No, Todd was not specifying some kind of minimum. The point was the more spindles, the better for an I/O parallel architecture like HDFS and BigTable. Have you read the BigTable paper? - Andy From: Gibbon, Robert, VF-Group Subject: RE: Using HBase on other file systems Todd thanks

Re: Using HBase on other file systems

2010-05-15 Thread Todd Lipcon
-Original Message- From: Todd Lipcon [mailto:t...@cloudera.com] Sent: Sat 5/15/2010 3:51 AM To: hbase-user@hadoop.apache.org Subject: Re: Using HBase on other file systems On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 2:15 PM, Gibbon, Robert, VF-Group robert.gib...@vodafone.com wrote: Hmm. What level

RE: Using HBase on other file systems

2010-05-14 Thread Gibbon, Robert, VF-Group
...@apache.org] Sent: Thu 5/13/2010 11:54 PM To: hbase-user@hadoop.apache.org Subject: RE: Using HBase on other file systems You really want to run HBase backed by Eucalyptus' Walrus? What do you have behind that? From: Gibbon, Robert, VF-Group Subject: RE: Using HBase on other file systems [...] NB. I

Re: Using HBase on other file systems

2010-05-14 Thread Todd Lipcon
,ufs, myriad other single-node filesystems that exist. -Todd -Original Message- From: Andrew Purtell [mailto:apurt...@apache.org] Sent: Thu 5/13/2010 11:54 PM To: hbase-user@hadoop.apache.org Subject: RE: Using HBase on other file systems You really want to run HBase backed

Re: Using HBase on other file systems

2010-05-14 Thread Todd Lipcon
systems You really want to run HBase backed by Eucalyptus' Walrus? What do you have behind that? From: Gibbon, Robert, VF-Group Subject: RE: Using HBase on other file systems [...] NB. I checked out running HBase over Walrus (an AWS S3 clone): bork - you want me to file a Jira

Re: Using HBase on other file systems

2010-05-13 Thread Edward Capriolo
bricks to get I/O locality, yet there is no way for Gluster to export stripe locations back to Hadoop. It seems a poor choice. - Andy From: Edward Capriolo Subject: Re: Using HBase on other file systems To: hbase-user@hadoop.apache.org hbase-user@hadoop.apache.org

Re: Using HBase on other file systems

2010-05-13 Thread Ryan Rawson
as pointed out in another mail, you'll want to colocate TaskTrackers on Gluster bricks to get I/O locality, yet there is no way for Gluster to export stripe locations back to Hadoop. It seems a poor choice.   - Andy From: Edward Capriolo Subject: Re: Using HBase on other file

RE: Using HBase on other file systems

2010-05-13 Thread Gibbon, Robert, VF-Group
To: hbase-user@hadoop.apache.org Subject: Re: Using HBase on other file systems Hey, I think one of the key features of HDFS is its ability to be run on standard hardware and integrate nicely in a standardized datacenter environment. I never would have got my project off the ground if I had

RE: Using HBase on other file systems

2010-05-13 Thread Andrew Purtell
You really want to run HBase backed by Eucalyptus' Walrus? What do you have behind that? From: Gibbon, Robert, VF-Group Subject: RE: Using HBase on other file systems [...] NB. I checked out running HBase over Walrus (an AWS S3 clone): bork - you want me to file a Jira on that?

Re: Using HBase on other file systems

2010-05-12 Thread Edward Capriolo
On Tuesday, May 11, 2010, Jeff Hammerbacher ham...@cloudera.com wrote: Hey Edward, I do think that if you compare GoogleFS to HDFS, GFS looks more full featured. What features are you missing? Multi-writer append was explicitly called out by Sean Quinlan as a bad idea, and rolled back.

Re: Using HBase on other file systems

2010-05-12 Thread Edward Capriolo
there is no way for Gluster to export stripe locations back to Hadoop. It seems a poor choice. - Andy From: Edward Capriolo Subject: Re: Using HBase on other file systems To: hbase-user@hadoop.apache.org hbase-user@hadoop.apache.org Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 6:38 AM On Tuesday, May

Re: Using HBase on other file systems

2010-05-12 Thread Jeff Hammerbacher
to Hadoop. It seems a poor choice. - Andy From: Edward Capriolo Subject: Re: Using HBase on other file systems To: hbase-user@hadoop.apache.org hbase-user@hadoop.apache.org Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 6:38 AM On Tuesday, May 11, 2010, Jeff Hammerbacher ham...@cloudera.com

Re: Using HBase on other file systems

2010-05-11 Thread Edward Capriolo
) to compete. Certainly that would improve its scalability and availability story, both issues today presenting barriers to adoption, and barriers for anything layered on top, like HBase. - Andy From: Kevin Apte Subject: Using HBase on other file systems To: hbase-user

Re: Using HBase on other file systems

2010-05-11 Thread Jeff Hammerbacher
on other file systems To: hbase-user@hadoop.apache.org Date: Sunday, May 9, 2010, 5:08 AM I am wondering if anyone has thought about using HBase on other file systems like Gluster. I think Gluster may offer much faster performance without exorbitant cost. With Gluster

Re: Using HBase on other file systems

2010-05-11 Thread Jeff Hammerbacher
. - Andy From: Kevin Apte Subject: Using HBase on other file systems To: hbase-user@hadoop.apache.org Date: Sunday, May 9, 2010, 5:08 AM I am wondering if anyone has thought about using HBase on other file systems like Gluster. I think Gluster may offer

Re: Using HBase on other file systems

2010-05-11 Thread Jeff Hammerbacher
Hey Edward, I do think that if you compare GoogleFS to HDFS, GFS looks more full featured. What features are you missing? Multi-writer append was explicitly called out by Sean Quinlan as a bad idea, and rolled back. From internal conversations with Google engineers, erasure coding of blocks

RE: Using HBase on other file systems

2010-05-11 Thread Buttler, David
: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 3:29 PM To: hbase-user@hadoop.apache.org Subject: Re: Using HBase on other file systems Hey Edward, I do think that if you compare GoogleFS to HDFS, GFS looks more full featured. What features are you missing? Multi-writer append was explicitly called out by Sean Quinlan

Re: Using HBase on other file systems

2010-05-11 Thread Kevin Apte
] Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 3:29 PM To: hbase-user@hadoop.apache.org Subject: Re: Using HBase on other file systems Hey Edward, I do think that if you compare GoogleFS to HDFS, GFS looks more full featured. What features are you missing? Multi-writer append was explicitly called out

Using HBase on other file systems

2010-05-09 Thread Kevin Apte
I am wondering if anyone has thought about using HBase on other file systems like Gluster. I think Gluster may offer much faster performance without exorbitant cost. With Gluster, you would have to fetch the data from the Storage Bricks and process it in your own environment. This allows

Re: Using HBase on other file systems

2010-05-09 Thread Andrew Purtell
on top, like HBase. - Andy From: Kevin Apte Subject: Using HBase on other file systems To: hbase-user@hadoop.apache.org Date: Sunday, May 9, 2010, 5:08 AM I am wondering if anyone has thought about using HBase on other file systems like Gluster.  I think Gluster may offer much

Re: Using HBase on other file systems

2010-05-09 Thread Amandeep Khurana
layered on top, like HBase. - Andy From: Kevin Apte Subject: Using HBase on other file systems To: hbase-user@hadoop.apache.org Date: Sunday, May 9, 2010, 5:08 AM I am wondering if anyone has thought about using HBase on other file systems like Gluster. I think Gluster may offer

Re: Using HBase on other file systems

2010-05-09 Thread Andrew Purtell
or you'll need to extend the FileSystem class to write a client that Hadoop Core can use. There is one: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HADOOP-6253 It even exports stripe locations in a way useful for distributing MR task placement, but provides only one host per block. - Andy