P.S, I neglected to mention: per DH Guitar B (metal) is recommended for
every tuning.
Roy
On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 11:30 AM, Roy Trotter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- On Sat, 9/27/08, Jim Petersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
the sound board question didnt seem to be very popular. so
lets
--- On Sat, 9/27/08, Jim Petersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
the sound board question didnt seem to be very popular. so
lets try this.
Guess I missed that one.
regarding sympathetic strings any special rules such as
length spacing height from the sound board...
Never seen any rules.
I thought I had one of spontaneous lanches that Alden mentioned ( and I get on
Gmail sometimes) So I'm trying again on Yahoo.
I agree with this crowd, for the simply selfish reason that I am fully
recovered from surgury and no longer have time to chase groups. These things
spring up from
I think it's onr on those taste things. These are some recordings on very
heavy chien work. Sitting around the house alone, I like very light, sparing
doggage, but if I were playing with and accordian, 2 pipers, etc, the dance
might require more, and I would get used to it etc. I don't care for
WHO? Pete Townsend? Wasn't he one of those baggage handler guys at the
airport?
Later
Roy T
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 12:00 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Does this mean that only one
person (using French costume) in the entire continent is allowed to use a
hurdy gurdy in reenactments?
No, but only one getsto show up on the news. lol?
I tried Viola G strings for Low chanters and found that they usually break
within an hour. NOt flexible enough. I really wasn't pleased enough with the
tone quality to persist with them, despite the low price and availability.
Roy
On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 4:01 AM, Mike bloom [EMAIL PROTECTED]
We discussed an index in San Antonio, and are very limited by the copyright
issue. Some very popular tunes : Les Poules Huppees, Avant de s'en Aller,
and that one about the Limosine Piper are copyright. Sometimes the tune
isn't, but the publication is. Tread carefully, it would be useful to have a
DInner was delectable and we delected it to our hearts' contents. We went back
to the house and talked, I was to brain-dead to be playing. Assumedly the rest
were beat too.. I turned in at 10:30 and to all appearances was the last man
standing, so to speak. I got in the car with Seth and Cathy
For supper -yesterday- we had a lovely pig-out on mesquite-smoked BBQ, brought
in by Micheal Laird. At 8 PM we gave the concert. We had collected a series of
tunes we could play together, and we played under starlight ( and artificial
light) in the side yard. As we exhausted the repertoires
. Custom machine
shops here won't look at a job under $500, so if you can get a shaft for $45 I
really believe it's a bargain. Incidentally, I am not connected with any of
these suppliers.
Barry
- Original Message -
From: Roy Trotter mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: hg@hurdygurdy.com
Sent
is not inaccesible and I don''t know what I'm going to do next
time
Good luck either way.
Roy Trotter
On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 6:45 PM, Douwe Boschma [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Hi everyone,
While I am waiting for Nagy Balazs to start with the tekero I ordered I
tried to channel my
Thank you for asking. I have been steeping in the irony.. It seems to be a
bit culturally insensitive, but if I may paraphaase Jon. 'Man v woman = woman
right. I will return to the cheap seats and wait with baited breath until the
other shoe drops.
Roy
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From:
Strenght comes with practice. So can carpel tunnel. Keep them wrists
straight!
Judgement comes with experience. Too much rosin is a very temporary problem:
it's easy to remove it by holding a rag to the wheel and cranking a few
times. or if you can stand it, just play and it will come off by
(nope) I still like
to watch the experts cotton, ever hoping to catch something I may have
missed.
Get some live help, if you can...if not shall we pray for you?
--- Roy Trotter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Strenght comes with practice. So can carpel tunnel. Keep them wrists
straight
Confidential to Chris, this is not the worst (not the Best either) of the
old recordings. I don't own any of the field recordings under discussion. I
have heard enough to lose interest The biggest problem in the early
recordings is lumpy wheels and squeal. There was something on Youtube of a
I was standing on the sidelines hoping to see the response. I was
disappionted that there wasn't any. I don't know anything about altos. If
anybody else does they are not talking. I might be one of those dirty
secrets Someone might know, but they are ashamed of the knowledge... I'm
thinking
--- sylvain gagnon mini moteur 2000 inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
what,s about these small stell parts (pins) on the side of
luteback i
saw on some instruments .my pouget have ..but ,,what is the function
of
this ,,no strings are attached to this,,..i dont understand..why they
are
I think you have a realistic attitude. One reason the ornaments are so
complicated with the pipes is due to limitation with that particular
instrument. I would suggest a spiritual interpretation of the tunes
you love. Attempting a gracenote=by=gracenote transfer is not going to
ever be
I'm about where you are with that . No kids around, so the afternoon is
pretty much grub and football. I will bring the HG and people will view it
as a threat and Bob's yr Uncle, etc. With any luck I'll get to go home early
and play. I think I'll go play right now.
Later, Roy
On Dec 24,
I have had more luck with the spinners, a lot of historical festivals will
have a good number of ladies out demonstrating spinning (also weaving) and
every time I have stopped by to watch and discuss sources they have given me
a sample. But the point is they know where to get it. Telling them what
That detail often gets omitted. It might be that the part is so simple that
it looks like it wouldn't need to be mentioned, or the plan is a copy of an
extant antique and that part was lost...
The tension of the bent (aced) wood with attempt to flatten out over time.
So the cover itself is
to play, with it on. For some reason people that eat stick/greasy food
with teir fingers like to wipe them off on the wheel. Beats me.
HTH, That ought to be enough to give you some ideas and get you started.
Have fun,
Roy
On Dec 10, 2007 5:02 PM, Roy Trotter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
On Dec 7, 2007 4:11 AM, Roy Trotter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- john tappan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So we're talking angled shaft AND beveled wheel? This gets more
interesting
all the time!
Well, right there on p.57 is a picture of it (3 actually). You could
probably get
GImmee a day or two to find and consult my notes. The essential idea is that
either the shaft or the drones are going to be parellel with the soundboard.
I don't remember wht. Angling the shaft lowers the wheel-end. This alloww
for a bigger wheel in a smaller space, c. Then the bevel on the wheel
Well, I got in, looked at the pictures and posted a reply. Hope it helps. I
didn't see any way to post the pictures, but I'm going to round up something
now, so I'll look again d'reckly. Given the differences in end-grain on that
angle, I would recommend banding the wheel anyway, unless you want a
(Oops!) DIsregard as needed.
Roy
On Dec 4, 2007 10:54 PM, Roy Trotter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well, I got in, looked at the pictures and posted a reply. Hope it helps.
I didn't see any way to post the pictures, but I'm going to round up
something now, so I'll look again d'reckly. Given
My parents got some volunteer sping up in their backyard. We harvested
about a dozen bolls last week. (One plant!)
I don't know whether it would need to be cleaned or what. I'm reluctant
to just jump in and try it, but I think it's wool that has the
lanolin,,,
If anybody knows how treat raw cotton
Sorry I'm working from the top of the list down... Boll is the clump
of cotton. And I lve in Texas, so do my parents. We also have a lot of
Locally grown cottonwood, but the name is pretty metaphorical.
Roy
--- ivan ad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello,
does anyone try to planting cotton?
i
--- Augusto de Ornellas Abreu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello,
I wonder if any of the makers around has ever fiddled with a design
for a
mute for the gurdy, much like the ones violin / viola / cello players
have?
I mean, some sort of device that would dampen and lower the volume of
the
--- Melissa Kacalanos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I do seem to wind up on youtube a lot...
and here's an interview in which I'm slouching
terribly:
I have been called down on a couple of occasions by our fellow
list-members about my excessive flirtation at you. I do apologize if I
need to: I
I would suggest , if you are dependant of coffee, to bring some instant or
bags, They do try to keep coffee going, but them big pots take a while, so
.
The sheets hang over big wooden rods (2 or 3) Safety pins should be
sufficient. These might be available over the counter (the Association has
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And the Listmaster says:
This is far enough off-topic that I'm going to restrict it.
Everyone who has something to say about this subject may make ONE
more post
before 9:00 Pacific time Wednesday.
AM or PM?
Basically you all have 24 hours to speak
your
I agree with Matt. There are better reasons to watch that movie than
the gurdy scenes...although that clunk is priceless.
I don't think Capts C would have inspired me to play...as a player, it
does make the hair standup on my legs to see my true love on the screen
with Spencer Tracy. But that
Welcome back everyone...and even if you don't live in the US or
Phillipines, Happy 4th anyway.
--- marcello bono [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Of course you can play it with hurdy-gurdy (maybe I
did ten years ago during the OTW festival :-).
I don't remember you playing, but I remember you
it WAS... Not familiar with that one maybe 'it was... Vouvray'( I
keep finding MP3s on my computer of Gilles playing that one )
Good luck with that one.
--- Arle Lommel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I just found an mp3 file of a contemporary HG piece on my computer,
but I have no idea where it
--- Simon Wascher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello,
excuse my unprecie english:
One of the problems with English is that there is a limit to how
precise you can get. Anyhing preciser is just more words.
I'm not really joking, but I'm not very serious either.
Later, Roy
--- Stan Leake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks Roy,
The plans do have a chromatic row. This has been added to the design,
which
was based on an instrument in the Germanisches Nationalmuseum. The
plans
show a capo, also added, I am sure. I have not seen the write-up in
American
Luthier
Good explanation from Derek, also you might can have your .abc program
transpose to C. That's the way I do it.
Later,
Roy.
--- DEREK LOFTHOUSE [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Welcome to the great Schism in HurdyGurdy land Seth.
Basically there are two ways of setting up the instrument G/C tuning,
I finally got a look at those plans with Juan W. and Stan L. a couple
of weeks ago. I'd say go for it. The plans are pretty clear, we didn't
really determine if the soundboard has any radius, I think there is the
standard guitarmakers radius (8 to 30 feet which is there to keep the
top from
--- Colin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's not a HUGE list is it?
Once one starts splitting up things then it opens up a can of worms.
Are we
to have country-specific threads?
Although it's nice to know what's happening, I live in the UK and, as
such,
can't just hop over to a US gathering.
And excuse me if I have come across as aloof, or (not not come across at
all, I guess) I have been getting announcements that external mail was cut
off here at work and I haven't been home much. It now appears that it was a
reference to something they did to the internal i.e. work, mailbox. not
Hey, sorry I missed the wedding. Got tangled up at work ( I was the
only one here,) and couldn't get free.
I think I know that tune if you don't get any better deals, we might
could write it down.
Roy
P.S. Ave Maria arraingements is a funny thing to be thinking about on
yr honeymoon. . . isn't
Good luck on that. I'd like to know myself, but didn't think of the
question. I am designing a test-gurdy to find out what exacly is the optimal
effect of wheel distance. I guess, I could build in a moveable chein bridge
(a.k.a. doghouse), but need to think about that one a bit
On 3/30/07,
Hey Seth, Hope your Orca arrived in good order, and am glad to see yr still
interested in building, and not just PLAYING ALL THE TIME.
I would recommend the jig as a plank at least 3/4 inch thick by probably 3
-4 inch wide, although that's variable. So is the long, but it needs to be
at least the
--- Arle Lommel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Seth,
I'm not sure why drilling out that hole would impact a wah-wah sound.
It is instead drilled out to allow the shaft to
pass through it, not to support the shaft. ...your ideal system would
contact the body only at
the head and tail
--- Seth Hamon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
oops, I meant to send this to Roy . Oh well I guess everybody got
it...
Thanks and Oh well.. Since everybody's seen it now, I should point out
that I didn't build that oneyet. It's kinda like that big stature
that they dug up in Rome: just a male
--- Arle Lommel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Only thing is when you get past about the 7th or 8th tangent the
sound is scratchy... Is their something that causes these higher
notes to screach when you get to the tangents close to the
wheel?
Hi Seth, sounds like your string's
--- Sarah [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In view of the fact that the right hand is crossed over to the left
it should be called a
CROS-RIGHTY-PHONE which happens to be an anagram of CHRISTOPER
NOGY
Willum
Thanks, I feel better already.
( now for something comepletely
--- Seth Hamon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
this site has the pics...
http://home.comcast.net/~musictreasures/antmisc.htm
Ok That's what I was looking at
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Unfortunately the photos are unavailable on this one. The Mirecourt
builders
(the Colsons and
Pretty good Hg list traffic today. So far I could answer all of the
post with Thanks or I don't know.
Interesting tho'
Later, Roy
The book also says the distance between the wheel and the tuning
box is 343mm,,, Shouldn't that be the distance between the main
bridge and the two smaller bridges at the end of the key box
343 is to the bridge, not the wheel. That's another thing, like pegwall
height that needs to be
--- Seth Hamon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Another ?.. Ok I realize the vibrating length and placement of
the main bridge is depended on a length of 343mm from the nut at the
end of the key box... Ok here's the question. To get
the main bridge in the right place from what
--- Daniel Musick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That de la Tour show at the Kimbell was what first turned me on to
both
gurdies and the painter himself. My wife I, living in Oklahioma at
the
time, had come to see another show entirely and the de la Tour was an
extra
that I remember much
--- Matthew Szostak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
... and it
seems to be tied down with some leather, or something (nope, that's
a shadow).
Hey Roy-
Don't get yourself in trouble again, for goodness sakes!!!
What's this again business, More like ...Still
I see the square buckle beneath
I will most probably be annoying the members of this list with random
questions about repair techniques, wild suggestions for experimental
actions, and
various other things that pop into my head:
The only really annoying stuff is when I don't have an answer. given
your range of experience,
But what is that our hero holds in his left hand? I had read that it
was the crank handle: which is completely visible still on the
instrument... that would puzzle me. Is it perhaps the key to tune the
sympathy strings? Mine is brass... which would have consideralbe more
impact than a wooden
There was a Georges de la Tour tour that came to the Kimball. I think I
hav3e already recounted the tale of how I was nearly evicted from the
premises and my girlfriend became an ex. (No, relax, I just got too
enthusiastic.) According to the write-up lemon juice was a common test
for blindness and
--- Chris Nogy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
OK, we all know that the progression historically of the vielle was
big organistrum - box sinphone - Bosch. Period. Right?
They occureed in that order, but the psalters and Cathedral art that
feature organistrums and box - sinfonies also have
The only time I've even seen a zither, I couldn't afford the depost for
a test drive, so it might not be the same thing but...
My knee-jerk reaction was autoharp pins. They are quite a bit larger
(in diameter) than the pins on my HG and are not tapered. The pin-head
is square, so the tuning
.
Roy Trotter.
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The steps to tuning properly are to tune the string to the desired
note
(probably G in your case). Then with the octave key tangent 90
degrees to the
string (that would be key 7 from the head of the instrument with the
tangent
hitting the string straight
(aka Maxou) which is invaluable for a
more sophisticated approach to working the dog. I got my copy from
Dusty Strings as well.
Google is your friend.
Later, Roy Trotter
Solberg, Bennett J LCDR NMIMC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello everyone.
I broke down and figured that the wood
That seems to be the wheel-wood of choice there days. But you truly do
want a laminated wheel. H. Gotschy's book recommends adding a half inch
Lamination of Maple on either side for a prettier finished product. You
would also be better satisfied with a band around the contact surface.
I used maple
--- Seth Hamon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I can punch square holes with my
mortiser machine really fast...
oooh, can I watch?
Arle Lommel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seth,
Don't give up! The reason is probably that the slots are too large.
What you can do is take thin strips of
--- Chris Nogy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The other trick my teacher used was to take a piece of
heavy posterboard about 30 x 15, put a string through the corners on
one long side, and hang it around my neck like a shelf to block me
from watching while my left hand worked complex lines of
--- Chris Nogy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I agree, the sinphone style (early HG without - usually - chien) is
great for being part of an ensemble, an accompaniment to strings and
woods, as it is a mellower sounding instrument that blends easier
(due to the absence of the buzz). It is not
I found that the other day, ( nice to see it again tho) it was offered
beside something else somebody sent me a link to. I don't know if I can
say this grammitically: I would have let you know had I known you
didn't know... or something like that. Now I'm looking for time to
seach all the you tube
--- Reymen Marc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
No I'm not
I stay in Belgium the land of Belgian fries and beer..
(I still don't understand why you call them French fries.)
Actually we usually just call them Fries. In Texas, just about
everything IS fried. I thought Belgian Fries were what we'd
It might work for resonating the sympathies. I would think BONGO (not
Banjo) heads would be more appropriate and just have these little
membranes under those bridges. I'll admit the question was much more
interesting before I fig'd out what she was REALLY talking about.
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
P.S It's gratifying that my missions trip last October dod not go in vain.
On 12/12/06, Roy Trotter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Puhleese, I prefer the word congregation.
Those of you that hang out on college campuses a lot may have heard
someone singing a song about Hail Sinfornia
...
judith
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of
Roy Trotter
Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 1:50 AM
To: hg@hurdygurdy.com
Subject: [HG] Which way shall I turn?
I have decided that I need to build a lute-back, for several reasons
Cool.
Thanks
Roy
--- Ruth Bramley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
For me Have Nagila' is a Seasonal tune. Although my jewish
colleagues tell me : Hannukah is really that sort of holiday, there
are
no songs it seems to cheer them up to include them in the
party...and
you so seldom get to
of Helmut...
His pic's are very good but some more info is needed to build for
yourself.
I'm writing in English and will publish on the web, unless some
real
publisher is welcome to contact me...
-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Namens Roy
: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Namens
Roy
Trotter
Verzonden: zaterdag 28 oktober 2006 7:14
Aan: hg@hurdygurdy.com
Onderwerp: [HG] Did we get anywhere with a Gotschy translation?
Seems like there was some discussion of working on an english
translation of Helmut Gotschy's Bau einer
--- Billy Horne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi, from a stormy Turku,
Has any one thought or wondered what the effects to sound,tone or
volume,openings or sound holes, that are in the tops under/inside the
key boxes on some Hurdy Gurdies have?
Yes, I have... I THINK that each soundpost
HEY! I finally got a post, after a week! Missed y'all!
--- Melissa Kacalanos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Purists, do not click on these links to see my band (inlcuding me on
hg) accompanying a contortionist with some belly dance stylings:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtBOuluUFfE
and
to anyone who doesn't
approve of these modern fusions of contortionism and belly dance.
Melissa
Roy Trotter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
(Maybe she DOES have that much charisma...) whatever is blocking
these
posts, Melissa's links got thru I thought that drought might be
over,
but my
PLLLT, I saw that.
--- Judith Lindenau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Melissa! Hey! We told you to drop Roy off your mailing list!!!
(grin)
BTW, Mellissa, I am enjoying your CD.
judith
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of
Roy
Havn't received anything (including my own posts) Since Simon announced
his wiki. I have recieved a couple of personals replying to My posts.
SO apparently I can post, others, can read, but I am not seeing
anything on the list. Usually the wierd stuff happens to our colleagues
in the UK.
Be
OK we came, we saw, we left.
All in all it went pretty well.
So John-Paul is a player, he has a Dugue. I didn't get to play it, but
Gilles did, and he didn't look miserable about it... sounded OK, but
then Gilles was playing it, so what did you expect.
Tracie got to pet my Siorat. Actually I
--- Tracie Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Michele, Roy, how come I've never met you at that session?!
I was looking forward to seeing Michelle, but I knew that. Now I have
another to look forward to meeting. Maybe we can have a session!!!
Like HGs I have 2 harps, one I built and one I bought.
Oh, that's those real deep one's.They are the same from the top as the
Lamberts but the soundbox is twice as deep.
It seems I remember M. Bouffard saying something about that.
Roy
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There is at least one Celtic tradition of HG playing , in
I got mine at Micheal's --MJ designs. It was in the Pinewood Derby
section.
--- Pat Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Cali,
I had sticky key questions before and you mentioned you would send
me some teflon powder and instructions. It was just before your big
festival and I am sure you
--- Eaton Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
-Original Message-
From: Roy Trotter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 13 October 2006 09:37
To: hg@hurdygurdy.com
Irish sessions are
boring with dragging out the same 30 tunes every time and we have
to
play the version
--- Smishkewych, Wolodymyr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
An oudman in Texas? I think my good friend and early music/Irish trad
plucked strings virtuoso Chris Smith might be one, in Lubbock, though
I don't think he is a maker...or an oudier. Heck, 'Luth', 'laud'
and liuto' are all from 'al-oud'
I had one ( in europe) a couple of years ago. I'll share it if I find
it. Haven't heard from her in a long time. If you contact her, tell her
I said xoxoxo...
--- Matthew Szostak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello all-
Catherine Keenan used to be a list member; perhaps she still is. She
lived
As previously mentioned. I am restoring my original Dewit trapeziodal
to playing condition, so I'll have something to play while I repair the
Siorat luteback. This is a crack in the (lute) back which will required
it to be unstrung for entirely too long. I know this because I have
fixed it
Welcome home, everyone! I went to the OTW homepage, saw the
Photoseveryone looks so glum of expressionless...did you miss me
THAT MUCH? ( Yes , as a matter of fact I DO think that song is about
me...don't you? )
But thats not what I'm to talk about I'm here to talk about ...
DEWIT.
CAVEAT:
I always thought so especially since my friend ( orchestra director)
told everybody she met that she had heard a Hurdy-gurdy. I thought it
was OK that it was just me and not 6 of us. In which case she would
have ...(oh, nevermind, you get the drift).
--- Eaton Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Are
WOW! ...I mean ...just... just...WOW!
--- Melissa Kacalanos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Just to prove that tribal-style dancers will dance to anything,
here's a video of some very talented dancers improvising to some
improvisations of my band, Djinn:
http://blip.tv/file/51231/
Yes, all
Arle,
There are some extremely detailed paintings by (broadly contemporary)
Georges de la Tour on the internet. (please google, I can't find the
links). Apart from mostly religious themes he did a series of street
life subjects including a half-dozen-or-so depictions of a blind hurdy
gurdy
Yeah, kinda like the drawing, not like the photo. I had to tie the
sleeves above the elbow just to play guitar, fiddle was OK tho'
Roy
--- K S ROE [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Arle,
Another option might be to go more like a Savoyard (French wandering
peasant). Check out the patterns at:
, Roy Trotter
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