Re: [Hornlist] Giant horn mute

2006-10-09 Thread Jen Gesinski
Looks great so far, but there are a few things I find not to be so helpful: 1. They forgot the corks. 2. It doesn't appear to be tunable. 3. I'll bet Thompson Edition doesn't make a case to fit it. JEN P.S. Do they make a stop mute for larger horns, too? Dan McCartney

[Hornlist] Conductors of amateur ensembles

2006-10-09 Thread Larry Jellison
Now to take the subject down a few common denominator levels, to the ranks of the uneducated and definitely unpaid-- thoughts on conductors of adult amateur groups. There is much that could be discussed here among those who chose to think about it at least a little. Amateurs play in ensembles

RE: [Hornlist] Conductors of amateur ensembles

2006-10-09 Thread hans
As I conduct an amateur group by myself since many years (even a horn ensemble) I may add a few words here: These preconditions of handing out the music in advance etc. is just normal we will not talk about these self-evident things. The first thing most important for any conductor is it, to

RE: [Hornlist] RE ; Conductors, difference between Old School and New School

2006-10-09 Thread Bill Gross
The fault of listening to recordings is not a fault of student conductors. It seems to be a relatively new method of learning, when I started the horn (in the dream time - that long ago) it was pretty much not mentioned occasionally on a new piece someone might buy a recording, but on the

RE: [Hornlist] Conductors etc

2006-10-09 Thread Bill Gross
Two observations on what Steve said, as to not always the best getting the job, as it is in all industries/pursuits. A novel of the later part of the last Century, On Wings of Eagles follows the two careers of officers in the US Army. One is the perfect careerist seeking out the right job and

RE: [Hornlist] RE ; Conductors, difference between Old School and New School

2006-10-09 Thread Jonathan West
He went on to say that the LA Horn Club did it with their own interpretation that didn't match what he had written. Saying further that since the recording he hardly every heard it played in any other manner than that of the recording. You don't need recordings for that sort of thing to

RE: [Hornlist] Conductors of amateur ensembles

2006-10-09 Thread Bill Gross
The opposite side of Han's coin is the conductor of amateur groups that is too willing to pass over something that doesn't sound right. I consider it a worst sin for a conductor of an amateur group to say something doesn't sound right -fix it rather than say nothing at all. Picking up on Hans

RE: [Hornlist] Conductors of amateur ensembles

2006-10-09 Thread Jonathan West
In my view, many of the same characteristics are needed for a conductor of amateur groups as for professional, but perhaps not in such concentrated form. One key difference is that amateurs play for enjoyment, and if they stop enjoying themselves they will stop playing or go elsewhere. That means

Re: [Hornlist] Conductors of amateur ensembles

2006-10-09 Thread YATESLAWRENCE
I used to help out with a local amateur orchestra, the conductor of which was notorious - he used to yell and bawl at his players and more than once I saw grown men and women crying behind their stands. The concerts were terrific! Eventually, the management took him to one side and told

[Hornlist] RE: recording of Franz Strauss Theme and Variations

2006-10-09 Thread John Ericson
Check out my recording of this work (and all of the other of his works for horn and piano published during his lifetime) at http://www.public.asu.edu/~jqerics/Les_Adieux.htm John + Dr. John Ericson, horn Arizona State University www.hornarticles.com message: 8 date: Sun, 8

RE: [Hornlist] Conductors of amateur ensembles

2006-10-09 Thread Bill Gross
It's all about leadership, isn't it? Some leaders can be hated yet really get the best from those he/she leads. Others can be very popular and get the best from those he/she leads. Others who scream and yell come across as martinets and others who are friendly get just mediocre performances.

RE: [Hornlist] Conductors of amateur ensembles

2006-10-09 Thread Steve Freides
Lawrence Yates wrote: I used to help out with a local amateur orchestra, the conductor of which was notorious - he used to yell and bawl at his players and more than once I saw grown men and women crying behind their stands. The concerts were terrific! Eventually, the management

RE: [Hornlist] Conductors of amateur ensembles

2006-10-09 Thread Steve Freides
Bill Gross wrote: It's all about leadership, isn't it? Some leaders can be hated yet really get the best from those he/she leads. Others can be very popular and get the best from those he/she leads. Others who scream and yell come across as martinets and others who are friendly get

re: [Hornlist] recording of Franz Strauss Theme and Variations

2006-10-09 Thread Anna Henry
Mark, John Ericson (horn professor at Arizona State), has a recording of the Theme and Variations, as well as all of the other F. Strauss works for horn and piano. The CD is titled Les Adieux and is available from Summit Records. I personally don't have any other recordings of that

RE: [Hornlist] RE ; Conductors, difference between Old School and New School

2006-10-09 Thread hans
O.k., Matthew, I dont have the same experience as you comparing old new conductors the kind of musician committees. My experience is a bit longer with most great calibers (most of them dead now ! How was the word ? Dead conductor, good conductor?? ) No, no, it is quite different than you said.

RE: [Hornlist] Conductors of amateur ensembles

2006-10-09 Thread hans
That´s what I said allready in my letter. Critizism must be positive not destructive. A conductor who yells to the orchestra or at a certain player, will lose his last value the very same moment. And for the amateurs: less (challenging) is often more (quality) and thus more enjoyment.

RE: [Hornlist] Conductors of amateur ensembles

2006-10-09 Thread hans
Does not only apply to amateur orchestra. Great pigs in front of the orchestra (just reminding a world famous conductor who looked as his musicians in the manner of a rattle snake) often make the greatest concerts. Not so nice truth, but good for the music not so good for the nerves of many

Re: [Hornlist] mystery Conns

2006-10-09 Thread billbamberg
In my collection, I have a 6D with the Buescher name on it. I know there are a lot of 6D copies, but this one has the Conn trademark Deco braces. The horn differs from the 6D in that the lead pipe is tapered through the main tuning slide, all the way to the valves. The legs of the main tuning

Re: [Hornlist] Conductors etc

2006-10-09 Thread billbamberg
Company politics are so important, I just can't justify wasting time on the job I was hired to do. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: horn@music.memphis.edu Sent: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 7:00 AM Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Conductors etc Two observations on what Steve said, as to not

[Hornlist] Re: recording of Franz Strauss Theme and Variations

2006-10-09 Thread Peter Hirsch
Mark, This is the link to the 4 recordings carried by ArkivMusic. http://www.arkivmusic.com/classical/albumList.jsp?name_id1=11680name_role1=1comp_id=49979bcorder=15 I have heard them and they are all at least competent. Frankly, when you are talking about a piece like this, there is really

RE: [Hornlist] Re: recording of Franz Strauss Theme and Variations

2006-10-09 Thread hans
Hello Peter, you are mixing things up indeed. R.Strauss wrote a piece Introduction, Thema Var. Op.17 at age 14 (1878) but it has nothing to do with this op.13 by Franz Strauss. It exists with orchestral accompaniment as does his original fantasy op.6 other pieces, I discovered two pieces for two

[Hornlist] Recital

2006-10-09 Thread Mathew James
Hey list, looking for a little feedback. I am doing a recital this year and have put together this so far as my rep *From Russia with horn (or somtheign cool and witty me thinks!)* ** *Four Pieces for Horn and Piano. - Gliere* **1. Romance 2. Valse Triste 3. Intermezzo 4. Nocturne

RE: [Hornlist] Recital

2006-10-09 Thread Steve Freides
I would like to suggest the Concerto for Horn and Hardart by P.D.Q. Bach, although Hardart players are hard to find these days, and automats even harder. Steve tongue firmly in cheek Freides -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] du] On Behalf Of

Re: [Hornlist] Recital

2006-10-09 Thread billbamberg
A piece with a Russian/Polish character I've gotten good response to is Miniatury, for horn and piano, by Czeslaw Grudzinski, in six short movements. The horn part is quite low, with the piano pulling a lot of the weight, so it gives you a break between the fireworks. With the right

Re: [Hornlist] Recital

2006-10-09 Thread Jasoncat
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RE: [Hornlist] Conductors of amateur ensembles

2006-10-09 Thread Jonathan West
3) Hold your instructive comments until a substantial portion of the piece has been played-- better, wait until the movement is finished. Then go over your long list of comments with everyone. My biggest gripe is aimed at conductors who stop every time they have some comment to make--

RE: [Hornlist] Conductors of amateur ensembles

2006-10-09 Thread Steve Freides
Jonathan West wrote: 3) Hold your instructive comments until a substantial portion of the piece has been played-- better, wait until the movement is finished. Then go over your long list of comments with everyone. -snip- I don't think this is necessarily the case. I have no

Re: [Hornlist] Recital

2006-10-09 Thread Greg Campbell
Mathew James wrote: *(Need to put an adaptation here to fill either ensemble or unaccompanied by a russian composer... ideas?) Buyanovsky Pieces for solo horn. (pub. McCoy) Greg ___ post: horn@music.memphis.edu unsubscribe or set options at

RE: [Hornlist] Recital

2006-10-09 Thread hans
Wouldn´t it be better to prepare a nice calm piece as encore instead of a squeezed Long Call (after the whole program). Are you really thinking about the Long Call or about the Call from Siegfrieds Rhine Journey ? A nice calm piece would be Tcherepnine´s Esquisse, short calm, just showing nice

RE: [Hornlist] Recital

2006-10-09 Thread hans
Greg, there would be a lot of other pieces to put on the program to fill a two or three hour or longer program. But isn´t the program long enough with the four pieces the concerto ? The player has just one pair of lips -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL

Re: [Hornlist] Recital

2006-10-09 Thread David Goldberg
Mathew James wrote: ... recital ... russian based ... Want to make 'em cry? Try something like Dark Eyes (Ochi chornya) or There were days (westerners will recognize this as Those were the days (my friend, we thought they'd never end...). Either unaccompanied, or perhaps with a liquid