[htdig] No match on existing words

1999-09-14 Thread J. op den Brouw
http://www.si.hhs.nl/~jan/doc/java/docs/tooldocs/win32/javadoc.html for me and test if it works at their site? Using 3.1.1 Much thanx in advance. --jesse ------------ J. op den Brouw Joha

[htdig] words not found at index time

1999-09-14 Thread J. op den Brouw
t; in between a H1/H1 pair. Can someone index http://www.si.hhs.nl/~jan/doc/java/docs/tooldocs/win32/javadoc.html for me and test if it works at their site? Using 3.1.1 Much thanx in advance. --jesse ------------ J. op den Brouw

[htdig] Acroread plays dead

1999-09-21 Thread J. op den Brouw
Hi all, upgrading to 3.1.2 makes Acroread play dead. It is started and then does nothing (0% CPU time). Anything I missed? --jesse J. op den Brouw Johanna Westerdijkplein 75 Haagse Hogeschool

[htdig] Problem indexing

1999-09-27 Thread J. op den Brouw
? --jesse J. op den Brouw Johanna Westerdijkplein 75 Haagse Hogeschool 2521 EN DEN HAAG Sector Techniek Netherlands Afdeling

[htdig] Deleting files

1999-10-28 Thread J. op den Brouw
db.wordlist -rw-r--r-- 1 msql www 44359680 Oct 9 21:24 db.words.db msql@pluto:188 Which files can be deleted? db.images.sorted.gz and db.urls.sorted.gz gzipped versions of db.{url|images}. --jesse J. op den Brouw

[htdig] Survey

1999-11-01 Thread J. op den Brouw
Maybe I can persuede(? sorry) people to update the htdig survey or to add new entries: http://www.st.hhs.nl/htdig/survey.html --jesse J. op den Brouw Johanna Westerdijkplein 75 Haagse Hogeschool

[htdig] Survey -- please read

1999-11-02 Thread J. op den Brouw
Our web server / mail server connection was down. If anyone had submitted survey info, it didn't arrive in my mailbox. It should work now... (We recently changed to HP-UX servers..) --jesse J. op den Brouw

[htdig] PDF indexing problem

1999-11-29 Thread J. op den Brouw
00:yoftheh htmerge: 4200:ythatabitof htmerge: Total word count: 4247 htmerge: Total documents: 1 htmerge: Total doc db size (in K): 1002 [msql@chaos scripts]$ --jesse ------------ J. op den Brouw

Re: [htdig] configure problem with version 3.1.3

1999-12-13 Thread J. op den Brouw
: installation or configuration problem: C++ compiler cannot create executables. plattform is Solaris 2.5.1 sparc with gcc 2.8.1 What am i missing ? Thanks Andreas --jesse J. op den Brouw Johanna

[htdig] xpdf and encryption

1999-12-15 Thread J. op den Brouw
: * export controls on cryptography software. Error: Couldn't read xref table [msql@chaos xpdf]$ Is there a encryption patch somewhere? The PDF *is* legal; I can read it with Acroread. --jesse J. op den Brouw

Re: [htdig] search results concerning subdomains

1999-12-20 Thread J. op den Brouw
. Is there any way to show http://www.servername.com in the search results instead of http://www1.servername.com, etc..? Thanks, Amir --jesse J. op den Brouw Johanna Westerdijkplein 75 Haagse Hogeschool

[htdig] mail archive search

2000-01-18 Thread J. op den Brouw
Hi, it there a way search the mail list archive? or is there a site that has searchable htdig mailing lists? --jesse J. op den Brouw Johanna Westerdijkplein 75 Haagse Hogeschool

Re: [htdig] Word parsers

2000-01-26 Thread J. op den Brouw
these products with Word2000 ? Word 2000 file format is the same as Word 97 file format, isn't it? --jesse J. op den Brouw Johanna Westerdijkplein 75 Haagse Hogeschool

Re: [htdig] Partial merge?

2000-01-27 Thread J. op den Brouw
strings, whatever) are written to the database. When you search for those words that were left out, you will not find them (of course). I had this problem when I ran out of disk space over night :) --jesse ---------------- J. op den Brouw

Re: [htdig] unable to do boolean search for not searchterm

2000-02-08 Thread J. op den Brouw
ery-common-word not searchterm this is allmost like TRUE not searchterm which is not searchterm --jesse ---------------- J. op den Brouw Johanna Wester

Re: [htdig] serious htdig 3.1.5 problems

2000-03-03 Thread J. op den Brouw
0x1e0af in WordList::Word (this=0x1c4140, word=0x806e7e0 "littleendian", --jesse ---------- J. op den brouw Johanna Westerdijkplein 75 Haagse Hogeschool2521 EN DEN HA

[htdig] Re: [htdig3-dev] Failing to get any pages indexed . .

2000-03-10 Thread J. op den Brouw
. Does anyone have any insights? --jesse ---------- J. op den brouw Johanna Westerdijkplein 75 Haagse Hogeschool2521 EN DEN HAAG Faculty of E

Re: [htdig] Newbie Questions.

2000-03-13 Thread J. op den Brouw
rowser who started it all.. -- --jesse ---------- J. op den brouw Johanna Westerdijkplein 75 Haagse Hogeschool2521 EN DEN HAAG Faculty of E

Re: [htdig] Searching substrings

2000-03-27 Thread J. op den Brouw
ubstrings of words ? Thanks To unsubscribe from the htdig mailing list, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You will receive a message to confirm this. -- --jesse -------------- J. op den brouw Johanna Wester

[htdig] OFFTOPIC: meta tags generator.

2000-04-06 Thread J. op den Brouw
J. op den Brouw Johanna Westerdijkplein 75 Haagse Hogeschool 2521 EN DEN HAAG Faculty of Engeneering Netherlands Electrical Engeneering+31

Re: [htdig] Help!

2000-04-13 Thread J. op den Brouw
? Is it possible? --jesse J. op den Brouw Johanna Westerdijkplein 75 Haagse Hogeschool 2521 EN DEN HAAG Faculty of Engeneering Netherlands Electrical

Re: [htdig] ht://dig multi user use

2000-05-26 Thread J. op den Brouw
is very easy for U... thanks for helping Olivier RICHÉ (france) --jesse J. op den Brouw Johanna Westerdijkplein 75 Haagse Hogeschool 2521 EN DEN HAAG Faculty

Re: [htdig] Binaries for htDig V3.1.5 for HP-UX10.20

2000-06-14 Thread J. op den Brouw
, Does any have a binary for htDig V3.1.5 for HP-UX10.20? --jesse J. op den Brouw Johanna Westerdijkplein 75 Haagse Hogeschool 2521 EN DEN HAAG Faculty of Engeneering

Re: [htdig] htdig 3.2b2 performance

2000-06-15 Thread J. op den Brouw
the load well over the limit. Marcel man nice and then do something like: nice nice_value rundig rundig starts htdig et al. and these will run with the same priority. --jesse J. op den Brouw Johanna

Re: [htdig] Site is inaccessible

2000-06-23 Thread J. op den Brouw
J. op den Brouw Johanna Westerdijkplein 75 Haagse Hogeschool 2521 EN DEN HAAG Faculty of Engeneering Netherlands Electrical Engeneering

Re: [htdig] Plural_matches other then 's' ?

2000-08-07 Thread J. op den Brouw
;, nPages))); vars.Add("FIRSTDISPLAYED", There is no singular_suffix equivalent. Sorry 'bout that On Mon, 7 Aug 2000, Marcel Hicking wrote: Nope. Nothing in the docs. I looked there before. At least not for 3.1.5. And I would like to have a singular_suffix as well. Cheers, Marcel --jesse

Re: AW: [htdig] AND OR in restrict

2000-08-15 Thread J. op den Brouw
Yes they do, IFAIK. Use the '|' to OR two or more resticts restrict=g21|g22 Or in a HTML form like: INPUT TYPE=HIDDEN NAME="restrict" VALUE="g21|g22" "Reich, Stefan" wrote: Hello, I don't think logical operators are supported for restrict (at least for HTDIG = 3.1.5) You can send

Re: [htdig] Mirror Sites and Rsync

2000-09-01 Thread J. op den Brouw
--jesse J. op den Brouw Johanna Westerdijkplein 75 Haagse Hogeschool 2521 EN DEN HAAG Faculty of Engeneering Netherlands Electrical

Re: [htdig] Digging problem, probably css-related?

2000-09-04 Thread J. op den Brouw
--jesse ------------ J. op den Brouw Johanna Westerdijkplein 75 Haagse Hogeschool 2521 EN DEN HAAG Faculty of Engeneering Netherlands Electrical Engeneering+31

Re: [htdig] Digging problem, probably css-related?

2000-09-04 Thread J. op den Brouw
I'm not sure, but the parsing is normally done after the extension is associated with the parser. As htdig doesn't recognize .css, the parse part is not started anyway. Correct me if I'm wrong. Thomas Rother wrote: "J. op den Brouw" wrote: "text/css" not a recogn

Re: [htdig] Pages still not all indexing.

2000-09-05 Thread J. op den Brouw
I also get this: 115:115:2:http://www.library.yale.edu/pubstation/databases/GPI.htm: More than one title tag in document! (possible search engine spamming) --jesse J. op den Brouw Johanna

htdig: Survey results

1998-10-30 Thread J. op den Brouw
Hi All, About a half a year ago I started a survey on htdig users systems. Well the results can be found at http://www.st.hhs.nl/htdig/survey_result.html Only those who said "yes" to "Ok to publish" are on the list. Drop me a line if you have any questions... --jesse

Re: htdig: compilation problem.

1998-11-05 Thread J. op den Brouw
If you have SunOS or Solaris, this means that the C/C++ compiler is not installed. GNU C is installed but maybe c++ is referring to a not-installed version of SUN C/C++. J-P Theberge wrote: Hi, What is wrong with my machine? % ./configure loading cache ./config.cache checking for a

htdig: htparsedoc

1998-11-06 Thread J. op den Brouw
Hi All, Just trying to run contrib/htparsedoc/... (Word 6 parser). Script fails with a awk error, so I build a Perl version which does the same. Now htdig digs okay with the external parser. When I do a search, it returns with 4 matched docs but only displays 2. Anyone anything? --jesse

htdig: htparsedoc

1998-11-06 Thread J. op den Brouw
Hi all if you want to test my Perl proggie for indexing word 6 docs http://www.st.hhs.nl/htdig/parse_word_doc.pl.txt You need catdoc (see contrib) to use this schema... --jesse -- To unsubscribe from the htdig mailing list,

Re: htdig: Digging MS Word 97

1998-11-12 Thread J. op den Brouw
Here is a Perl script that uses the catdoc program (V 0.90). Download catdoc stuff from URL below, untargz, ./configure etc. Set $CATDOC to catdoc proggie. Set external_parsers to something like: external_parsers: application/msword /usr/local/htdig/external_parsers/bin/parse_word_doc.pl

Re: htdig: [Patch] Incorrect ExternalParser can kill htDig

1998-11-16 Thread J. op den Brouw
Indeed, this seems to be a bug. It also tells us to write good parsers. If the parsers do the right thing, this "bug" won't appear Vadim Chekan wrote: Hello! I wrote my own external parser for WinWord document and done error in it. External parser must write to stdout "w \t 3

htdig: Strange htmerge removes of documents

1998-11-18 Thread J. op den Brouw
See for yourself: Note: this only happens when I'm parsing Word Docs via an external parser... Note: the trailing | are written by my own proggie. Note: first three lines are normal. htmerge: Removing doc #9012| htmerge: Removing doc #9017| htmerge: Removing doc #9022| htmerge: Removing doc

Re: htdig: Implementing + and - and User Help File

1998-11-23 Thread J. op den Brouw
Well, I've worked on this item some time ago, but, stupid me, I threw the source away (and Unix doesn't have undelete, not that I know of on this machine), but here are the essential ingredients: + - AND - AND (htdig) - - AND NOT - NOT (htdig) So: +words +undelete -windows - words AND

Re: htdig: Strange htmerge removes of documents

1998-11-24 Thread J. op den Brouw
Geoff Hutchison wrote: At 10:28 AM -0500 11/18/98, J. op den Brouw wrote: See for yourself: Note: this only happens when I'm parsing Word Docs via an external parser... Note: the trailing | are written by my own proggie. Note: first three lines are normal. What does your db.wordlist

Re: htdig: PDF:parse max_doc_size

1998-11-26 Thread J. op den Brouw
Gordon Hopper wrote: I just discovered that max_doc_size is different from max_head_length. Furthermore the default for max_doc_size is 100K (defaults.cc). This is fine except when indexing large PDF files. The problem is that the error message is not correct. I got many errors like this

Re: htdig: method_names

1998-12-02 Thread J. op den Brouw
Hello: I had the same problem too, because Any and All are not very good transaltable in dutch with one word. First: note that it should be (method is and or or): method_names: and All or Any Then secondly: You can't use " as a delimiter as in "all words"! The trick I used is to

Re: htdig: prefix search (again)

1998-12-03 Thread J. op den Brouw
Hello, !-- The engine searched with the following construct: $(LOGICAL_WORDS) -- Put above into your header and you will see the expanded search words created and used by htdig. So if you search with doc* you should see somthing like doc* or docs or document or docent etc. Alexei B.Kozlov

Re: htdig: Exclude

1998-12-03 Thread J. op den Brouw
You can't use * as a wildcard. Just use input type=hidden name=exclude value=".html" It should work now. Defranould wrote: I'm trying to EXCLUDE some files of a server in order to avoid giving several times the same information. But EXCLUDE does not work. I tryed for example to EXCLUDE

Re: htdig: htDig compile errors under linux

1998-12-04 Thread J. op den Brouw
It seems that your DB2 (db-2.4.14) is not installed correctly because it cannot resolve symbols (undefined references). Check if DB2 if configured correctrly. Somewhere in db-2.4.14/dist there has to be a libdb.a Johann Habakuk Israel wrote: Hello, when I try to compile ht-dig version

htdig: htmerge: Unable to open word list file....

1998-12-04 Thread J. op den Brouw
Hello I got the "htmerge: Unable to open word list file" error and to my opinion it showed when I hit a server that uses a robots.txt file and I could not get a file, then somewhere htmerge crashes because nothing is indexed. I only wanted to index that site, no other. Anyone any idea's

Re: htdig: htmerge: Unable to open word list file....

1998-12-07 Thread J. op den Brouw
This is what I needed to know. Thanks. Gilles Detillieux wrote: According to J. op den Brouw: I got the "htmerge: Unable to open word list file" error and to my opinion it showed when I hit a server that uses a robots.txt file and I could not get a file, then somewhere htmer

htdig: whatsnew.pl Berkeley error

1998-12-08 Thread J. op den Brouw
Hi all, this is an easy one. My perl 5.00502 version doesn't contain a BerkeleyDB module. Where can I find one? Output from whatsnew.pl: msql@pluto:71 whatsnew.pl Can't locate BerkeleyDB.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.00502/sun4-solaris /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.00502

Re: htdig: Prefix Matching?

1998-12-09 Thread J. op den Brouw
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been reading the recent messages about prefix searching and it looks like it could be very useful I so I tried it on our site but I have been unable to make it work. I am using htdig 3.1.0b2 on a Solaris 2.6 Sparc box. After reading through the mail

htdig: parse_word_doc.pl revised

1998-12-10 Thread J. op den Brouw
Hi all, if you want to index Word files or have been doing so for a time, there is a new parse_word_doc.pl at: http://www.st.hhs.nl/htdig/parse_word_doc.pl.txt features: code speedup (mucho!) matching patterns didn't work. now they match .,';: etc at the beginning or

htdig: Keys in db.docs.index

1999-01-06 Thread J. op den Brouw
Hi all, I was wondering why db_stat -d db.docs.index produces 9128 keys and the output from rundig ends with htmerge: 8960 htmerge: 8970 htmerge: 8980 htmerge: 8990 htmerge: 9000 htmerge: 9010 htmerge: Total documents: 9010 htmerge: Total doc db size (in K): 68210 How is that possible?

Re: htdig: Linux and FreeBSD compatibility...

1998-08-13 Thread J. op den Brouw
. it should not be a problem if both run on a x86 machine. GDBM compiles achitecture dependant. But it's always good to re-index --jesse - J. op den BrouwJohanna Westerdijkplein 75 Haagse Hogeschool

htdig: htdig 3.1.0b1 on Solaris 2.5 (not!)

1998-09-14 Thread J. op den Brouw
function. Berkeley DBM Configuration complete Okay, what to do next? --jesse - J. op den BrouwJohanna Westerdijkplein 75 Haagse Hogeschool 2521 EN DEN HAAG Sector Techniek

Re: htdig: Sudden htdig problem...

1998-09-15 Thread J. op den Brouw
so worried that it could go wrong... Maybe this should be renamed to something like "Berkeley DB:". --jesse --------- J. op den BrouwJohanna Westerdijkplein 75 Haagse

Re: htdig: Feature request

1998-09-15 Thread J. op den Brouw
- J. op den BrouwJohanna Westerdijkplein 75 Haagse Hogeschool 2521 EN DEN HAAG Sector Techniek Netherlands Afdeling

Re: htdig: htsearch exclude bug

1998-09-16 Thread J. op den Brouw
--jesse --------- J. op den BrouwJohanna Westerdijkplein 75 Haagse Hogeschool 2521 EN DEN HAAG Sector Techniek Netherlands Afdeling Elekt

Re: htdig: search for a phrase?

1998-08-06 Thread J. op den Brouw
s" concatinated with a pipe sign (|). So you'll need something like OPTION VALUE="one|two" ....... --jesse - J. op den BrouwJohanna Westerdijkplei

Re: htdig: ht://Dig on alpha-unknown-linux

1998-08-09 Thread J. op den Brouw
their data high byte high and x86 high byte low. Same problem with berkeley databases. --jesse - J. op den BrouwJohanna Westerdijkplein 75 Haagse Hogeschool 2521 EN DEN

Re: htdig: search for a phrase?

1998-08-09 Thread J. op den Brouw
t. It works though... --jesse ------------- J. op den BrouwJohanna Westerdijkplein 75 Haagse Hogeschool 2521 EN DEN HAAG Sector Techniek Netherlands Afdeling Elektrotechniek

Re: htdig: htdig and apache+ssl

1998-08-12 Thread J. op den Brouw
-- To unsubscribe from the htdig mailing list, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the single word "unsubscribe" in the body of the message. --jesse --------- J. op den Brouw

Re: htdig: htdig and apache+ssl

1998-08-13 Thread J. op den Brouw
that print out the databases. Maybe someone can modify these to convert http in https. Does only work for GDBM not for Berkeley DB. --jesse - J. op den BrouwJohanna Westerdijkplein 75 Haagse Hogeschool

Re: htdig: exclude restrict

1998-08-27 Thread J. op den Brouw
searches. Do you have a clean version og htdog 3.0.8b2? If so, the exclude is not working properly. There is a patch available at the htdig patch site (don't know it right now). --jesse - J. op den Brouw

Re: htdig: Announcing ht://Dig 3.1.0b1

1998-09-11 Thread J. op den Brouw
- J. op den BrouwJohanna Westerdijkplein 75 Haagse Hogeschool 2521 EN DEN HAAG Sector Techniek Netherlands Afdeling Elektrotechniek +31 70 4458936

Re: htdig: htdig 3.1.0b1 on Solaris 2.5 (not!)

1998-09-14 Thread J. op den Brouw
On Mon, 14 Sep 1998, J. op den Brouw wrote: First of all, it finds Sun's cc as the compiler, but cc isn't installed. When running cc I get: /usr/ucb/cc: language optional software package not installed Anyway, configure thinks cc is a proggie and doesn't understand the -O options. I

htdig: +word -word and word string

1998-09-21 Thread J. op den Brouw
htsearch. "word string" should be converted to word AND word. It's not as good as the real meaning of "..." but better than nothing. Anyone ideas on this subject? Greetz, --jesse -------------

htdig: Use of AND, OR and NOT

1998-09-22 Thread J. op den Brouw
Hi all, maybe I didn't look very good, but how can I use the NOT in htdig. I know it is posible, but I forgot. Is it: word1 AND NOT word2 or word1 NOT word2 --jesse - J. op den Brouw

Re: htdig: patch didn't fix the something deep inside problem

1998-09-23 Thread J. op den Brouw
otmail.com -- To unsubscribe from the htdig mailing list, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the single word "unsubscribe" in the body of the message. --jesse ------------- J. op den BrouwJohanna Weste

htdig: Boolean NOT

1998-09-23 Thread J. op den Brouw
- J. op den BrouwJohanna Westerdijkplein 75 Haagse Hogeschool 2521 EN DEN HAAG Sector Techniek Netherlands Afdeling Elektrotechniek +31

htdig: HTML special characters in HREF

1998-09-24 Thread J. op den Brouw
und". --jesse ------------- J. op den BrouwJohanna Westerdijkplein 75 Haagse Hogeschool 2521 EN DEN HAAG Sector Techniek Netherlands Afdeling Elektrotechniek

Re: htdig: Exclude not working with htsearch

1998-09-28 Thread J. op den Brouw
om-FindFirst(url) 0) must be excludeFrom-FindFirst(url) = 0) Recompile install htsearch and then it should work. (BTW this problem is also in 3.0.8b2 clean version) --jesse ------------- J. op den Brouw

Re: htdig: Wrapper script for htsearch

1998-10-01 Thread J. op den Brouw
. --jesse --------- J. op den BrouwJohanna Westerdijkplein 75 Haagse Hogeschool 2521 EN DEN HAAG Sector Techniek Netherlands Afdeling Elekt

Re: htdig: What's new script

1998-10-20 Thread J. op den Brouw
There is such a script but it works only with GDBM and DB 1.85 (A.F.A.I.K). I did'nt see anything in Perl that worked with 2.x. Terry Hitzeman wrote: Wondering if anyone has seen a what's new perl script that will look at an index by modification date and throw the results to a template

Re: [htdig] Htmerge problem in version 3.2beta

2000-09-12 Thread J. op den Brouw
g/FAQ.html --jesse ------------ J. op den Brouw Johanna Westerdijkplein 75 Haagse Hogeschool 2521 EN DEN HAAG Faculty of Engeneering Netherlands

Re: [htdig] Configuring ht//dig

2000-09-13 Thread J. op den Brouw
on a previous installation. what do i have to do to change this? where is it specified? any help would be greatly appreciated. thanks. matt --jesse J. op den Brouw Johanna Westerdijkplein 75 Haagse

Re: [htdig] ssl patches for 3.1.5

2000-10-23 Thread J. op den Brouw
I think we *all* want to share it with you. It should be on the patch site. Please do mail us you patch. Will Ballantyne wrote: I've got htdig working with ssl by using the ssl patch for 3.1.4 and making the necessary changes. If anyone wants a new diffs file send me a note... --Jesse

Re: [htdig] Pb htsearch.

2000-10-24 Thread J. op den Brouw
.0, when I search with some word, I have an internal server error and in the log error of the web site I have just this line : Premature end of script headers: /home/httpd/cgi-bin/htsearch How can I debug this problem ? --jesse ------------

Re: [htdig] Newbie question Hard drive space

2000-10-26 Thread J. op den Brouw
of them all at once. --jesse J. op den Brouw Johanna Westerdijkplein 75 Haagse Hogeschool 2521 EN DEN HAAG Faculty of Engeneering

Re: [htdig] Re: SSL patch for ht://Dig 3.1.5

2000-10-31 Thread J. op den Brouw
I think that's what happens when you copy off the screen ;-) "Brian W. Spolarich" wrote: On Tue, 31 Oct 2000, Joe R. Jah wrote: | I am forwarding your message to the patch author and htdig users | mailing list, to which the patch was originally posted. Maintainer of | the patch site

Re: [htdig] Re: SSL patch for ht://Dig 3.1.5

2000-11-02 Thread J. op den Brouw
de against a clean version of htdig. Greetz from windy Holland, --jesse ------------ J. op den Brouw Johanna Westerdijkplein 75 Haagse Hogeschool 2521 EN DEN HAAG Faculty of E

Re: [htdig] Unsatisfied Symbol - HP10.20

2000-11-16 Thread J. op den Brouw
that helps - but it's not doing much now? --jesse J. op den Brouw Johanna Westerdijkplein 75 Haagse Hogeschool 2521 EN DEN HAAG Faculty of Engeneering

Re: [htdig] [off topic] -- how to reset STDOUT Assignment

2000-11-19 Thread J. op den Brouw
You should not do that. There is a nice function call in Perl called select(). It can be used to reassign output to the 'screen' to a file. Something like this.. open(OUTPUT, somefile); $old_fh = select(OUTPUT); do your stuff with htmerge select(($old_fh); close(OUTPUT); This is from 'The Perl