Re: Data

2005-05-20 Thread Financial Literacy for Youth
Ray: At 09:47 AM 5/20/2005, you wrote: During my many decades as a consumer and investor I have learned that if something is cheap there is a reason as exemplified above. To repeat my question of a couple years ago why is there not Market Guide/Reuters available as a quality product I enjoyed

Re: Take $tock data

2005-05-20 Thread Financial Literacy for Youth
Gloria: At 12:25 PM 5/20/2005, you wrote: Does the InvestWare Take $tock use OPS data? In other words, are the Take $tock results affected by the present OPS problem? TAke $tock uses the same Compustat source as OPS but it accesses it independently. IOW, you don't need a subscription to OPS

Re: Take $tock data

2005-05-20 Thread Financial Literacy for Youth
At 04:45 PM 5/20/2005, you wrote: I appreciate the replies to my question... ...Take $tock 4...in conjunction with Toolkit 5. Both are invaluable. Thanks again. Thank YOU, Gloria. Your kind words are appreciated. Ellis Traub You can read and write messages or change your subscrip

Re: Classic, Classic Plus, Stock Analyst

2005-05-19 Thread Financial Literacy for Youth
Gerald: At 09:25 AM 5/19/2005, you wrote: Seems like all the chat is about something in Tool Kit. Does anyone use Classic Plus or Stock Analyst? I like Analyst, it's thorough and I came up through Classic and Plus to it. Approximately 85% of NAIC investors use the Toolkit. Does anyone like

RE: Classic, Classic Plus, Stock Analyst

2005-05-19 Thread Financial Literacy for Youth
Lowell: At 02:16 PM 5/19/2005, you wrote: Do you know why Take $tock 4 is not included as one of the available software products in the recent BI advertisement? I don't have the June issue yet; but I'm told it has Take $tock on both the NAIC software order form page and the ICLUBcentral softw

RE: Classic, Classic Plus, Stock Analyst

2005-05-19 Thread Financial Literacy for Youth
Lowell: At 05:20 PM 5/19/2005, you wrote: For some reason I though BI approved Take $tock 4. If not, then that is the reason it does not show up in the software lineup on page 61 of the May BI issue. It is also not listed on page 66 in the order form. NAIC never did "approve" T$4. We had to

Re: Classic, Classic Plus, Stock Analyst

2005-05-19 Thread Financial Literacy for Youth
Steve: At 06:43 PM 5/19/2005, you wrote: Is that 85% of *all* BetterInvesting investors, or is it 85% of those that use some flavor of SSG software? If it is the former, WOW!!! I wish! No. You're right in pointing out that I'm referring to the approximate market share. Thanks for correct

RE: OPS Issues

2005-05-19 Thread Financial Literacy for Youth
Lowell: At 01:50 PM 5/19/2005, you wrote: Since OPS seems to be one of the primary reasons current BI members are hanging on to their membership, one would think there would be major pressure placed on S&P to get their act together and to begin fixing the vast array of problems and then letting

RE: OPS Issues

2005-05-19 Thread Financial Literacy for Youth
Kathleen: At 03:39 PM 5/19/2005, you wrote: SOMETHING else has changed, I think. Kurt's gone! You can read and write messages or change your subscription options at the i-club-list web site at http://lists.better-investing.org. Log in using your e-mail address. You are currently

RE: OPS Issues

2005-05-19 Thread Financial Literacy for Youth
Lowell: At 03:54 PM 5/19/2005, you wrote: I have been using the "Full Update" process. I don't see this as a solution. What am I missing? I just deleted a stock (DHI) knowing it had data holes. Then I imported a new DHI file and the holes were still there -- as expected. I don't suggest t

Re: OPS update - 0700 EDST Monday

2005-05-23 Thread Financial Literacy for Youth
Nancy: At 07:09 AM 5/23/2005, you wrote: Just tried to do a "full update" as well as "changes only" on my TK library. Most companies still stuck at 12/31/04. I suggest that NAIC has withdrawn the later data until they can be more certain of its quality. Ellis Traub You can read and w

Re: Whats Going on With OPS?

2005-05-22 Thread Financial Literacy for Youth
Paul, et al: At 05:17 PM 5/22/2005, you wrote: Toolkit 5 always goes throught all 20 stocks and says that all have been updated, but when you list the PERT, all stocks on the second page (the first page has room for only 13 stocks) are blank in regard to the quarterly earnings for each stock. T

Re: Whats Going on With OPS?

2005-05-22 Thread Financial Literacy for Youth
Joe: At 07:17 PM 5/22/2005, you wrote: > I believe the problem lies in the fact that there has been an effort to > withdraw the flawed quarterly data from the NAIC database until such > time as it's complete. That doesn't agree with Paul's statement that the problem has been going on "for week

Re: Whats Going on With OPS?

2005-05-22 Thread Financial Literacy for Youth
At 09:22 PM 5/22/2005, you wrote: What I am personally doing is obtaining from the companies press release the most recent quarterly numbers and entering the data into Toolkit manually. This is simply a temporary workaround until the problem is resolved. Doing this manually of course is a real

Re: Whats Going on With OPS?

2005-05-22 Thread Financial Literacy for Youth
Nancy: At 10:39 PM 5/22/2005, you wrote: I guess I'm wondering whether I can trust the data on the other 19 companies. And do you agree the best thing is to do no further automatic updating until the problem is officially solved? Actually, I think, inasmuch as you're aware that the problem ex

Re: Whats Going on With OPS?

2005-05-23 Thread Financial Literacy for Youth
Nancy: At 12:40 AM 5/23/2005, you wrote: you might as well keep doing the automatic updates and just look at them carefully. It they're screwed up, it's just as easy to go to Reuters as I suggested and correct or add the data from there when you need to.<< But..I've already got Ma

RE: Whats Going on With OPS?

2005-05-23 Thread Financial Literacy for Youth
At 11:42 AM 5/23/2005, you wrote: Ellis (or anyone), for some of us, who are Income Statement challenged, from which lines on the Income Statement should the data be copied?  I have indicated the desired data to the left of the equal sign and what I think is the Income Statement line to the righ

Re: Whats Going on With OPS?

2005-05-23 Thread Financial Literacy for Youth
Nancy: At 01:30 PM 5/23/2005, you wrote: Is Reuters down?   I'm getting "this page can't be displayed" for all of the annual and quarterly statements. Are you sure you have the correct URL? You may have to go into Reuters manually, enter a ticker symbol, and replace the URLs in Toolkit with the

Re: Manually Updating Data

2005-05-23 Thread Financial Literacy for Youth
At 07:59 AM 5/23/2005, you wrote: You must have a fancier version of Toolkit than the rest of the plebians. . Maybe mine isn't working right! I find that if I open the data screen and leave it open, the Web button won't work. Actually, you need to first open the SSG; next go for the Web b

Re: Diversification - Why is it not working for me

2005-05-23 Thread Financial Literacy for Youth
Jack: At 01:35 PM 5/23/2005, you wrote: ...I have gone down from owning 26 stocks down to 13 and I am seriously thinking of reducing my NAIC portfolio to 7-10 equities.  My reasoning being  is that I have NOT been able to invest the time to listen/watch the quarterly webcasts, audit the 10Qs,

Re: How to keep "Pounce File"

2005-05-16 Thread Financial Literacy for Youth
Joe: At 02:14 PM 5/15/2005, you wrote: How do you keep up with stocks that as ET says you waiting to pounce (buy) when the parameters are right. I do not have PRK and am thinking that Toolkit is not really set up to watch stocks. Why do you feel that way? If you set up a hypothetical portfolio

Re: How to keep "Pounce File"

2005-05-16 Thread Financial Literacy for Youth
At 10:29 PM 5/16/2005, you wrote: Damn, that is so simple. I guess I was trying to make it difficult. I kept thinking I need to record the stock price and watch it from a base of that price. Thanks for the biased response! Ubetcha! Ellis Traub You can read and write messages or change

Re: Company 10k Legal Action

2005-06-11 Thread Financial Literacy for Youth
Mike: At 06:36 PM 6/11/2005, you wrote: HOW IMPORTANT IS LEGAL LIABILITIES... Companies will usually express their view that the lawsuits they are suffering have no merit and should not adversely affect their operation; but they will all tell you that they cannot predict the outcome (which they

Re: The Complaint Department-SBUX

2005-06-12 Thread Financial Literacy for Youth
Danny: At 07:04 PM 6/12/2005, you wrote: OK here's one. Members of our club want to buy SBUX at nearly 50 times EPS. I believe it is in the BI top 200. When that is thrown up in my face that other clubs are buying SBUX it weakens my stand, not my resolve, that it is too expensive. . IMO, you'

Re: The Complaint Department-SBUX

2005-06-12 Thread Financial Literacy for Youth
At 09:02 PM 6/12/2005, you wrote: > IMO, you're right, they're not! Ah ... but do you agree that SBUX is a quality company? Indeed! But Danny's issue was whether it was too expensive or not. If it were a poor quality company, it would be too expensive at any price. Ellis Traub You can

Re: Prospector ownership rights transfer

2005-06-20 Thread Financial Literacy for Youth
Lynn: At 09:31 AM 6/16/2005, you wrote: Well, I tried to direct this question away from the list, but got no answer.  It seems I only get them here.  Clubs that have desktop accounting must register it to ONE member of the club.  When the position rotates, the member releases it, and it is reg

Re: 10-yr RV

2005-06-20 Thread Financial Literacy for Youth
Ralph: At 10:03 AM 6/16/2005, you wrote: The relevance of a 10 year RV is in my opinion somewhat dubious. Things change including P/E ratios. Would you want to include the heady nose bleed P/E ratios of the late 1990s in a logical analysis? I would not do so. Security analysis and portfolio

Re: 10-yr RV

2005-06-20 Thread Financial Literacy for Youth
Dan: At 10:38 AM 6/20/2005, you wrote: First I would suggest BI has not clearly defined RV Until the late nineties, it was never defined in the NAIC manuals although the concept of analyzing the average of the last five years' PEs was certainly in the text. It was, however, a common term

Re: 10-yr RV

2005-06-20 Thread Financial Literacy for Youth
Jim: At 03:03 PM 6/20/2005, you wrote: My impression is that PE levels are a measure of relatively short-term investor optimism, not company quality. Once we're over the "barbed wire" fence before SSG section 3 aren't we done evaluating company quality? Let's keep in mind that there are two

Re: Negative Upside Down Ratio

2005-06-20 Thread Financial Literacy for Youth
Bill and Andrew: At 10:50 AM 6/16/2005, you wrote: > I recently did an analysis on DHI and I got a negative upside down > ratioThe NAIC handbook says that in the event of a negative upside > down ratio that I should decrease my lower price prediction. It sounds like you are using a mec

Re: Negative Upside Down Ratio

2005-06-20 Thread Financial Literacy for Youth
Jim: At 02:38 PM 6/20/2005, you wrote: Ellis, Can you expand upon why you are so confident in the 4B(a) low price estimate that you'd be willing to ignore the fact that the recent price (perhaps even the current price) is lower than that? Or, if that's not what you mean, clarify what you do

Re: Negative Upside Down Ratio

2005-06-20 Thread Financial Literacy for Youth
Jim: At 08:55 PM 6/20/2005, you wrote: > I'm well aware, as you are, that the current price may > well be an anomaly. In fact, if I didn't think it were, > I wouldn't be interested in the stock. I guess this statement wasn't clear enough since you did misinterpret it. I'm having trouble rec

Re: Negative Upside Down Ratio

2005-06-20 Thread Financial Literacy for Youth
Jim: At 12:29 AM 6/21/2005, you wrote: OK, but isn't that the norm? The number of companies that have produced at least 15% Sales and EPS growth for any ten consecutive years out of the past 50 can be counted on one hand, can't they? I think PE expansion and EPS growth are pretty equivalent

Re: Negative Upside Down Ratio

2005-06-20 Thread Financial Literacy for Youth
Jim: At 12:10 AM 6/21/2005, you wrote: ...I am interested in some estimate of how much I might be punished if I were to sell for defensive reasons (i.e., if long-term problems develop in the company fundamentals). Since I'm not going to either buy or hold a stock that I think has defensive pro

Re: Mutual fund education and resource center

2005-06-22 Thread Financial Literacy for Youth
Doug: At 06:38 AM 6/22/2005, you wrote: It's been 3 or 4 years (at least) since BetterInvesting began offering the Mutual Funds tools. It has data on 14,000 funds from S&P, and includes all the mutual funds forms (checklist, comparison guides, trend report) and a screening tool. It's $35.00 a

Re: Can we get mutual fund info from the NAIC S&P datafiles?

2005-06-21 Thread Financial Literacy for Youth
Albert: At 02:35 PM 6/21/2005, you wrote: Can we get mutual fund info from the S&P datafiles? I have tried to get info on a couple of funds and cannot get anything. What kind of information would you expect to download? Ellis Traub You can read and write messages or change your subscripti

Re: Can we get mutual fund info from the NAIC S&P datafiles?

2005-06-22 Thread Financial Literacy for Youth
Albert: At 10:53 PM 6/21/2005, you wrote: I am looking for the data that is needed to fill out the NAIC evaluation forms. I'm afraid Compustat/OPS doesn't provide that data. Their realm is collecting and providing data for individual companies. (And, I might add, so is NAIC's, IMO). Perhaps someo

Broadcasts

2005-06-22 Thread Financial Literacy for Youth
If anyone's interested, I'll be talking about our kind of investing on the following stations at the following (Eastern) times and dates: 11:35 - 11:45 AM, 6/22 (today), KABZ-FM, Little Rock, AK (The Zone) 10:00 - 10:30 AM, 6/27, WAPF-AM, McComb, MS (Carl Lazenby Show) 7:45 - 8:00 AM, 6/30, WME

Re: Broadcasts

2005-06-22 Thread Financial Literacy for Youth
Mike: At 04:25 PM 6/22/2005, you wrote: Please advise if we can hear your broadcast on the internet. The last one I did that was available on the internet was on May 19th. You can find it archived at http://www.wsradio.com/everydaywealth/may2005.htm. As for those coming up: WAPF-AM, McComb, MS

Re: PEG

2005-06-22 Thread Financial Literacy for Youth
Steve, Ralph, et al: It appears that the IAS is willing to pay more than a PEG of 1 for good companies. PEG is an interesting metric; but, IMO, far from being a determinant. If the PE is a measure of the confidence folks have in a company's ability to earn, then the PEG is a sort of a "first

RE: High PEs and Jeremy Siegel

2005-06-20 Thread Financial Literacy for Youth
Lowell, Mark, et al: At 04:07 PM 6/16/2005, you wrote: It is possible to have a growth stock drop to a fair value (price) or even to the point where someone might classify it as a value stockWhat defines a growth and/or value stock is somewhat fluid. I've found, over the years, that it's

Re: Of PE's, RV, projections and SSG Additions (was 10-yr RV)

2005-06-23 Thread Financial Literacy for Youth
Cy: At 09:23 PM 6/23/2005, you wrote: 1. Giving the user the option to use up to 10 years of PE history to calculate the averages in Section 3.  2. Using that average PE as the numerator in RV. There's a rogue key that lets you do just what you want, Cy. Go to Preferences and, in the Stock Study

Re: What's Most Important? (was PEs: Pegging Relationships and Ratios)

2005-06-23 Thread Financial Literacy for Youth
Cy: Welcome home! At 05:41 PM 6/23/2005, you wrote: ...I suspect, however, that the vast majority of former members who left because their results stunk was because the didn't use the "simplistic, out-dated, paper-based" SSG properly. No amount of study/use of the other 20% will help anyone i

Re: PEs: Pegging Relationships and Ratios

2005-06-21 Thread Financial Literacy for Youth
Walt: At 08:45 PM 6/21/2005, you wrote: The wish lists that have been posted are fine if you have a computer. But, let's remember that many members do not have computers, and some that do not use OPS.  Heaven help the user trying to prepare a SSG by hand if all these other items become "requi

Re: PEs: Pegging Relationships and Ratios

2005-06-22 Thread Financial Literacy for Youth
Walt: At 01:00 AM 6/22/2005, you wrote: If we're going to revise the SSG, we need to keep at least one version that's useful but easy to complete from non-electronic sources, such as company annual reports, or VL or S&P tear sheets. It's my strong opinion that the mainstream tools should not b

Re: PEs: Pegging Relationships and Ratios

2005-06-22 Thread Financial Literacy for Youth
Dan: At 09:27 PM 6/22/2005, you wrote: While I view the observing of earnings to be important I like to compare the CFO with earnings to see what deviations may exist. If CFO is below earnings then I always examine the SCF and the associated notes to discover the reason why and then decide if

Re: PEs: Pegging Relationships and Ratios

2005-06-23 Thread Financial Literacy for Youth
Dan: At 10:41 AM 6/23/2005, you wrote: Perhaps I did not do a good job in communicating this measure in simple terms. Let me try again. If CFO is less than earnings find out why This would be interesting; but not, IMO, necessary or important. Many things can alter the ebb and flow of cas

Re: ORLY

2005-06-25 Thread Financial Literacy for Youth
Gail: At 11:21 AM 6/25/2005, you wrote: I notice that S & P has a SELL recommendation on ORLY. All their commentary indicates continued growth: I don't want to be guilty of selling a winner just to lock in the profit, but I don't often see such a recommendation. FWIW, at the price at which

Re: Oil Prices

2005-06-25 Thread Financial Literacy for Youth
Dan: At 04:55 PM 6/25/2005, you wrote: I would add that most all consumers are affected by higher oil prices in one way or another. In short they have to spend a higher portion of their disposable incomes on oil related products or services such as gas, shipping costs, plastics, air travel, et

Re: Sticking with Apples (was Of PE's, RV, projections and SSG Additions)

2005-06-25 Thread Financial Literacy for Youth
Cy and Jim: At 11:48 PM 6/24/2005, you wrote: However, if I got the gist of it, you're pointing out that the section 3 historical PEs are always calculated using FY end EPS while that's only true for the current PE about 1/4 of the time (when the reporting cycle is such that ttm EPS and FY EPS

Re: Sticking with Apples (was Of PE's, RV, projections and SSG Additions)

2005-06-25 Thread Financial Literacy for Youth
Cy: At 11:56 AM 6/25/2005, you wrote: I guess that I didn't meet my goal of being long, but hopefully clear. I didn't intend to address the "accuracy" of the historical PE's in my original post. I agree fully. I reiterate, I didn't intend, in that post at least, to question how the PE histo

RE: PEG vs HVR

2005-06-27 Thread Financial Literacy for Youth
Brian: At 01:38 PM 6/27/2005, you wrote: The "ruminations on PEG" emails talk about why I'm less than keen on PEG. The above is why I'm not so keen on RV either. Nor would I be "keen on RV" either, were I to look at it as you are. The difference between RV as I see it and RV as you and Ralp

RE: PEG vs HVR

2005-06-28 Thread Financial Literacy for Youth
Jim: At 05:08 PM 6/27/2005, you wrote: > The difference between RV as I see it ... < Which is the ratio of current PE to an average historical PE. Is current PE higher or lower than it's been in the past? How about calling this Historical Value Ratio? () Now THAT's a novel idea! . I do pre

Re: OPS Data WEN

2005-06-29 Thread Financial Literacy for Youth
Walt: At 03:03 PM 6/29/2005, you wrote: This goes back to the handling of extraordinary items.  WEN wrote off it's investment in Baja Fresh, along with some other items last year.  The $.45 EPS includes these charges and the $2.18 does not. Reuters has always done a better job of normalizing t

Re: re TK5 mess or WHY MEMBERS QUIT

2005-06-30 Thread Financial Literacy for Youth
Ray, et al: At 11:21 AM 6/30/2005, you wrote: If the following true it's highway robbery. I can understand the suspension of support but not cutting off OPS It ain't, and it would be. Put your mind at ease. No one is going to shut off OPS data for Toolkit 4 users! The reference to cutting i

Re: TK5 mess

2005-06-28 Thread Financial Literacy for Youth
Joe, et al: At 11:11 PM 6/28/2005, you wrote: Is there any chance that you have a software firewall turned on? If so, it's more likely that the firewall is preventing Toolkit from getting to the Internet. The first thing that I would try is to turn off the firewall and see if Toolkit then wor

Re: MyStockFund

2005-06-25 Thread Financial Literacy for Youth
Betty: At 02:20 PM 6/25/2005, you wrote: Our investment club is currently using TD Waterhouse. One of the members has suggested we consider switching to mystockfund.com. I would appreciate pros and cons of doing so. We do not need a broker for research as most of the members have individual

Re: MyStockFund

2005-06-28 Thread Financial Literacy for Youth
Brian and Betty: At 02:43 PM 6/28/2005, you wrote: Betty, I would recommend buyandhold.com for your club over mystockfund.com . 'My Stock Fund' only trades once per week while 'Buy and Hold' trades three times a day. You might also take a look at Foliofn. I use them and have been very please

Re: TK5 - Debt/Equity SSG section 2C

2005-07-01 Thread Financial Literacy for Youth
Roger: At 11:24 AM 7/1/2005, you wrote: Is there an equvalent function in TK5 to allow visual analysis of debt/equity, as in NSA3   I find this both useful, and fairly fundamental in selecting stocks for purchase. While looking at Section 2B, press [Alt+D] and see what you get. Ellis Traub --

Re: Quality discussion (was: Ruminating about PEGs)

2005-06-30 Thread Financial Literacy for Youth
Brian, et al: At 02:18 PM 6/30/2005, you wrote: I don't agree that zero growth inherently means a company is losing market share; it might, or there could be other reasons a company shows no growth. I certainly agree that *within an NAIC context* a very very low or a no-growth company isn't t

RE: Quality discussion (was: Ruminating about PEGs)

2005-06-30 Thread Financial Literacy for Youth
Brian: At 11:13 PM 6/30/2005, you wrote: I definitely never claimed that everyone agrees on what Quality means (or should mean). Nope. Your position is that they haven't. However, so far as NAIC is concerned, they have. But given the above, I'm a little puzzled about what TK5 presents as "

RE: re TK5 mess

2005-06-30 Thread Financial Literacy for Youth
Hey, Jimat! At 09:19 AM 6/30/2005, you wrote: I hear ya! And I understand where you, and others who think as you do, are coming from. And, normally, a company (whether they produce software or cars) should walk in the shoes of its customers, which we have always tried to do, whether our company

Re: re TK5 mess

2005-06-30 Thread Financial Literacy for Youth
At 03:12 PM 6/30/2005, you wrote: No more OPS for TK4??!!!    When did that happen?  I certainly do not recall seeing any mention of that.    I certainly understood I would be able to continue using TK4 and OPS. Check the traffic. That was an error. Ellis Traub You can read and write me

RE: re TK5 mess

2005-06-30 Thread Financial Literacy for Youth
Chris: At 11:54 PM 6/30/2005, you wrote: Ellis, you should apologize for that I did. Ellis Traub You can read and write messages or change your subscription options at the i-club-list web site at http://lists.better-investing.org. Log in using your e-mail address. You are c

Re: OPS and Toolkit 4

2005-06-30 Thread Financial Literacy for Youth
Ev: At 07:09 PM 6/30/2005, you wrote: You said it in a much more diplomatic way then I did - I just got to the point - if you do not upgrade to Toolkit5 you have no business investing in individual stocks is simply not true. I acknowledge being a bit intemperate in my comments. Certainly you

RE: OPS and Toolkit 4

2005-06-30 Thread Financial Literacy for Youth
Ev: At 09:25 PM 6/30/2005, you wrote: I was wondering if there is anyway we can compensate for the error of the Total Return being wrong [in TK 4]? As Jim knows, we have a "rogue key" that will handle it for you. Just press [Ctl+Alt+T] and your total return will be calculated as it is in TK5.

RE: OPS and Toolkit 4

2005-07-01 Thread Financial Literacy for Youth
Chris: At 06:17 PM 7/1/2005, you wrote: It doesn't sound crazy, but it also doesn't sound quite right. I kept my old truck for 15 years (and would have kept it longer if my son hadn't made that impossible), and still Toyota stayed in business. If Microsoft were providing the software for N

RE: use of cash flow plot (was: PEs: Pegging Relationships and Ratios)

2005-06-22 Thread Financial Literacy for Youth
Brian: At 05:30 PM 6/22/2005, you wrote: Does the sales growth line tell us something interesting in every case? I think so. Let's distinguish between "tells me something", and "tells me something fundamentally important and unique". The former is always true of both cash flow and, say, s

Re: use of cash flow plot (was: PEs: Pegging Relationships and Ratios)

2005-06-22 Thread Financial Literacy for Youth
Brian: At 04:22 PM 6/22/2005, you wrote: I think it's pretty easy to find stocks for which cash flow tells us interesting things. I picked WAC by looking for bankruptcy cases and didn't have to do much poking around to find a situation where the SoCF told me interesting things. Perhaps I'm s

RE: use of cash flow plot (was: PEs: Pegging Relationships and Ratios)

2005-06-29 Thread Financial Literacy for Youth
At 03:11 AM 6/29/2005, you wrote: My personal inclination though is that if you want to learn about what the SoCF (Statement of Cash Flows) says, grab a basic "fundamentals of investing" book and read through it. Or, you could just think of the SoCF as a big "cigar box" into which the money is

RE: use of cash flow plot (was: PEs: Pegging Relationships and Ratios)

2005-06-29 Thread Financial Literacy for Youth
Erik: At 09:51 PM 6/29/2005, you wrote: I agree Kyosaki is much more of charlatan than an investment guru. As do I. I do however think his financial statement diagrams are excellent tools to understanding financial statements. His games show how asset sometimes are not really assets unless

RE: Quality discussion

2005-07-01 Thread Financial Literacy for Youth
Brian: At 03:34 AM 7/1/2005, you wrote: "Nope. Your position is that they haven't. However, so far as NAIC is concerned, they have." By "NAIC" in this context, I can think of three things you could possibly (in some universe anyway ) mean: (1) Your personal interpretation from whatever (?) (2)

RE: Quality discussion

2005-07-01 Thread Financial Literacy for Youth
Brian: At 03:03 PM 7/1/2005, you wrote: "Understood. But, Brian, the "power of the concept" resides in its simplicity!" ...if you say "Brian's approach is too complicated" long and consistently enough, maybe others will believe it. As you know, I have enormous respect for you and your effo

RE: Quality discussion

2005-07-01 Thread Financial Literacy for Youth
Brian: At 09:06 PM 7/1/2005, you wrote: Fun conversation. Hopefully if others are bored with it, they've tuned it out long since! Yes it is fun; but I'm becoming redundant and, in keeping with my simplistic nature, I'll only complicate it if I keep trying to find new ways to say it. At i

RE: New BI Website

2005-07-01 Thread Financial Literacy for Youth
Bill: At 01:20 PM 7/1/2005, you wrote: We conducted a month-long beta test with the CGAB, starting May 26. It was later expanded to Chapter volunteers. During this process many, many bugs were found and eliminated before the site's launch, but obviously not all of them. We're working diligently

Re: Wager Portfolio followup (was: Quality discussion)

2005-07-02 Thread Financial Literacy for Youth
Joe: At 06:02 PM 7/2/2005, you wrote: well there you go! I have no problem with "as interpreted by Lowell and Ellis" but that is different than the way you started. What it shows to me is the importance of judgment. I would prefer that this portfolio be invested in a Folio brokerage whe

RE: Wager Portfolio followup (was: Quality discussion)

2005-07-02 Thread Financial Literacy for Youth
At 07:07 PM 7/2/2005, you wrote: I'll try to get it invested as soon as possible but I do want to purchase a strong stock. I don't have any 10 quality stocks on the radar that are also priced properly and green of Mood. We do have the latitude to go as low as 80 for the Mood. Check out DHR a

Re: Wager Portfolio followup (was: Quality discussion)

2005-07-02 Thread Financial Literacy for Youth
At 08:11 PM 7/2/2005, you wrote: > That can't help but hold down the performance. Right? > In the short term, I suppose it would tend to mitigate > a down market's effect on the portfolio; but, over the > long haul, if it's left that way (like NAIC's Growth Fund), > it would tend to reduce the r

RE: Wager Portfolio followup (was: Quality discussion)

2005-07-02 Thread Financial Literacy for Youth
Lowell: At 08:58 PM 7/2/2005, you wrote: Still, I do remember the time that you "sold everything"! You will need to refresh my memory as I never sold everything. I almost sold everything just before the crash of 1987 but even then -- not quite. That was addressed to me. I sold my whole port

Re: Wager Portfolio followup (was: Quality discussion)

2005-07-03 Thread Financial Literacy for Youth
Dan: At 11:45 PM 7/2/2005, you wrote: Nutshell: Nicholson sanctioned allocating significant portions of total assets to cash or "bonds" under the right conditions. That has little to do with maintaining the regular cash infusion. This shows up in the 1983 (and I recall earlier issues) versi

RE: Wager Portfolio followup (was: Quality discussion)

2005-07-03 Thread Financial Literacy for Youth
Lowell: At 11:29 AM 7/3/2005, you wrote: {In summary it does seem the NAIC Methodology does not exclude some level of market timing of business cycles by the more experienced investor. Market timing seems to have a bad reputation but that may be due to how it is used by traders, not investor

RE: Wager Portfolio followup (was: Quality discussion)

2005-07-04 Thread Financial Literacy for Youth
Lowell: At 01:17 PM 7/4/2005, you wrote: PS For my July 4th show, go to this URL, download the player file, and view show #2. It is the Astronomy or Picture for the Day show. Awesome! I don't know all of what I was looking at; but they sure us humans down to size! :-) Ellis Traub Yo

Re: NSA

2005-06-28 Thread Financial Literacy for Youth
Ed: At 03:27 PM 6/28/2005, you wrote: What does it take to change the date Last Studied, or on the SSG and on the data sheet. Even after changing growth rates, pe's etc it still says the date is Jan 19, 2004. There are two significant dates in Toolkit: the study date and the data or source

RE: CAH (was: Quality discussion)

2005-07-05 Thread Financial Literacy for Youth
Don: At 10:43 PM 7/4/2005, you wrote: I think Brain, Joe, Joe, Dan and others... Much as we admire Brian's considerable intellect, do you really think it's appropriate to call him that? Ellis Traub You can read and write messages or change your subscription options at the i-club-list

Re: Quality, Turnover, Turtle I, Holdem.

2005-07-06 Thread Financial Literacy for Youth
Ed: At 03:42 PM 7/6/2005, you wrote: Above is Turtle I portfolio which I purchased on a 10/31/2001 for a "watch" list on MSN. Would this portfolio have done better if we followed the wager sell when the T$ QI falls below 3.4 ? The turnover would have been at least 12 of the 14. It would h

Re: Reagarding the recent Quality Discussion & Portfolio Management

2005-07-04 Thread Financial Literacy for Youth
Larry: At 12:06 PM 7/4/2005, you wrote: WOW I have been following the recent discussion with Ellis, Brian, Dan et al and thoroughly enjoyed what I have read so far. Me too! It seems in my reading that George Nicholson introduced the SSG concept to his students first. I believe so.

Re: Reagarding the recent Quality Discussion & Portfolio Management

2005-07-04 Thread Financial Literacy for Youth
Dan and Larry: At 03:39 PM 7/4/2005, you wrote: Yes Nicholson did focus on individual stocks. However, this aspect of portfolio management actually deals with the entire market becoming over or undervalued and how to respond to these situations. What he suggests seems logical to me. Reread th

Re: Reagarding the recent Quality Discussion & Portfolio Management

2005-07-05 Thread Financial Literacy for Youth
Ken: At 09:08 AM 7/5/2005, you wrote: First, I want to see a breakdown of my diversity by sector (my definition or S&P definition or VL definition). We've talked about that, discarded it in the past because it's hardly a trivial change. But, with a makeover in the database, such a thing might

RE: Reagarding the recent Quality Discussion & Portfolio Management

2005-07-05 Thread Financial Literacy for Youth
Brian: At 01:56 PM 7/5/2005, you wrote: Yes, we HAVE talked about that. And I pointed out that it's a trivial table lookup. Jim Thomas since implemented that table lookup in his spreadsheet. Jim's a smart guy, but this isn't rocket science work, it's code monkey 101 programming --- absolutely

Re: Reagarding the recent Quality Discussion & Portfolio Management

2005-07-05 Thread Financial Literacy for Youth
Ken: At 03:05 PM 7/5/2005, you wrote: Since we are talking about Toolkit5's portfolio management capabilities, I would like to hear some discussion on the Rational Value figure that appears on the Portfolio Overview screen. As it is presently calculated, it relies on the average PE value fro

RE: Ruminating about PEGs

2005-06-29 Thread Financial Literacy for Youth
Hey, Brian and Cy: Can I jump in here? At 02:55 AM 6/29/2005, you wrote: You said: “ … though I do think that growth is a part of quality in a broad sense. Upon reflection on the replies to my post, and the PEG v. HVR thread, maybe I should use a term other than "quality" since that has a trad

RE: OPS turned off for TK4 users ?!?

2005-06-30 Thread Financial Literacy for Youth
Brian and Bill: At 11:00 AM 6/30/2005, you wrote: Wow. Wow. Wow... Whoa! The problem with Toolkit 4 importing OPS data is one that is in the process of being fixed at NAIC/BI Headquarters. It is, as I understand it, simply the fact that the OPS files that are being delivered have an extra

Re: BetterInvesting site update: 7/8/2005

2005-07-08 Thread Financial Literacy for Youth
Bill: At 04:49 PM 7/8/2005, you wrote: Here's an update on a few things that were fixed on the site today: I don't know where you came from; but it's refreshing to have you here! Thanks for being conscientious and communicative. Ellis Traub You can read and write messages or chang

Re: Prospector and OPS

2005-07-12 Thread Financial Literacy for Youth
At 12:14 PM 7/12/2005, you wrote: Today I did an Import of NAIC OPS datafiles. It tells me the latest version of OPS is June 26, 2005. I thought OPS was updated weekly. Who can explain? I'll check -- it may be related to the web site switchover. Last I knew, it was supposed to be updated dai

Re: Prospector and OPS

2005-07-12 Thread Financial Literacy for Youth
Doug: At 04:22 PM 7/12/2005, you wrote: Nope, since OPS was launched, the Prospector database has *always* been updated weekly. Sorry. I didn't read the question carefully enough. I thought it referred to the OPS data, itself. Ellis Traub You can read and write messages or change your

Re: Need Help On Take Stock 4

2005-07-12 Thread Financial Literacy for Youth
Hey, Nat! At 05:10 PM 7/12/2005, you wrote:     NEED HELP ON TAKE STOCK 4.   Take Stock 4 operates without any problem except that I am unable to activate the Summary button for a designated stock.  When I click Summary I get a small pop up in the left hand/bottom corner of the screen, just abou

Re: Need Help On Take Stock 4

2005-07-12 Thread Financial Literacy for Youth
Nat: At 07:15 PM 7/12/2005, you wrote:    Thanks Ellisas usual you solved the problem.   Summary button is working fine after I clicked on maximzing in the abbreviated pop up in the bottom left hand corner.  Great! Glad I could help. (Actually, I'm going to Austin, TX, to visit David tom

RE: Orange Juice, Fish Sticks and Dividends

2005-07-12 Thread Financial Literacy for Youth
Ev: At 12:40 PM 7/12/2005, you wrote: I will put a starting list together - I wanted to do this anyway - need to organize my resources on this topic. I'll post and see if others have offerings. Sounds like we should have some sort of clearing house for such materials. Ev, over the years, you

RE: Beating the Index

2005-07-11 Thread Financial Literacy for Youth
Jason: At 12:31 AM 7/11/2005, you wrote: Whether you invest in funds or stocks, you're really investing in management. Whether it's running a company or investing a portfolio of stocks, good managers do not succeed because the dice came up seven. Investing in a mutual fund because of its mana

RE: Beating the Index

2005-07-11 Thread Financial Literacy for Youth
Ev: At 11:20 AM 7/11/2005, you wrote: To begin with one of the qualities one looks for is fund managers that do not turnover their portfolios each quarter, just like you look for individual stock/company managers who do not line their pockets with excessive stock options, or big pay packages,

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