Re: [Fonts] [I18n] language tags in fontconfig

2002-08-12 Thread Keith Packard
Around 17 o'clock on Aug 12, Juliusz Chroboczek wrote: Neither have I (with over 20 years exposure to the language). I suggest you remove it -- it's not in the Adobe Standard encoding, so some fonts may lack it. Ok, I've found further references that don't include ñ for French. Here's my

[I18n]Missing European orthographies

2002-07-12 Thread Keith Packard
any solid information. I'm still missing most of the African languages; any help here would be greatly appreciated. Out of 139 ISO 639-1 languages, I have 95 covered, I've also managed to collect 13 of the languages only in ISO 639-2. Keith PackardXFree86 Core TeamHP Cambridge

Re: [I18n]Unicode coverage for languages

2002-07-10 Thread Keith Packard
, then it couldn't even distinguish between Ming and Sung forms. Keith PackardXFree86 Core TeamHP Cambridge Research Lab ___ I18n mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/i18n

Re: [Fonts] [I18n] language tags in fontconfig

2002-07-10 Thread Keith Packard
orthgraphy over fonts which are missing these few characters when applications don't provide an explicit family name. It sounds like the answer to this is yes, so I should add the non Latin-1 codepoints to the set required to display French. Keith PackardXFree86 Core TeamHP

Re: [Fonts]Re: [I18n]Using current locale in font selection

2002-07-10 Thread Keith Packard
that POSIX specifies the order in which these are used, and given that all of my test programs don't call setlocale, I've added the trivial code to fetch from the environment. Keith PackardXFree86 Core TeamHP Cambridge Research Lab ___ I18n

Re: [Fonts]Re: [I18n]Using current locale in font selection

2002-07-09 Thread Keith Packard
with applications which haven't called setlocale (LC_ALL, )? Do I: a) call setlocal (LC_ALL, ) myself? b) use $LANG or $LC_CTYPE? c) Ignore the locale information and leave the font language preference unset? Keith PackardXFree86 Core

Re: [I18n]Unicode coverage for languages

2002-07-09 Thread Keith Packard
1651 HKSCS-2001 characters And that doesn't even mention the remaining glyphs int HKSCS which aren't currently assigned official Unicode codepoints. Keith PackardXFree86 Core TeamHP Cambridge Research Lab ___ I18n mailing list [EMAIL

Re: [I18n]Unicode coverage for languages

2002-07-08 Thread Keith Packard
. A secondary question is whether I should check the PUA entries; I believe I probably shouldn't, and let the zh-hk support rest on whether the font covers the non-PUA BMP subset of HKSCS. Keith PackardXFree86 Core TeamHP Cambridge Research Lab

Re: [Fonts]Re: [I18n]Using current locale in font selection

2002-07-08 Thread Keith Packard
Around 16 o'clock on Jul 8, Jungshik Shin wrote: Don't you mean LC_MESSAGES? I believe it should be LC_CTYPE. Some people like me Check. LC_CTYPE it is. Sometimes life in en_US is so insular... Keith PackardXFree86 Core TeamHP Cambridge Research Lab

Re: [I18n]Unicode coverage for languages

2002-07-07 Thread Keith Packard
based on the codePageRange bits. Keith PackardXFree86 Core TeamHP Cambridge Research Lab ___ I18n mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/i18n

Re: [Fonts] [I18n] language tags in fontconfig

2002-07-07 Thread Keith Packard
were some in the wild. I suppose that was rather naïve of me. Keith PackardXFree86 Core TeamHP Cambridge Research Lab ___ I18n mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/i18n

Re: [I18n]Unicode coverage for languages

2002-07-07 Thread Keith Packard
have a complete codepoint set for HKSCS; can someone point me at one? With these additions, a GB18030 font would advertise support for: zh, zh-cn, zh-tw, zh-sg, zh-mo while older GB2312 fonts would be limited to zh-cn, zh-sg Keith PackardXFree86 Core TeamHP

Re: [I18n]Unicode coverage for languages

2002-07-07 Thread Keith Packard
the results they want that it is capable of producing. Keith PackardXFree86 Core TeamHP Cambridge Research Lab ___ I18n mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/i18n

Re: [Fonts]Re: [I18n]language tags in fontconfig

2002-07-06 Thread Keith Packard
at least some coverage for the missing languages; even a small number of glyphs for each one would help a lot. Keith PackardXFree86 Core TeamHP Cambridge Research Lab ___ I18n mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman

Re: [Fonts]Re: [I18n]language tags in fontconfig

2002-07-06 Thread Keith Packard
in Big5. Again, we're fortunate that more and more fonts are pre tagged with OS/2 language tables from which we can deduce intended language targets far more accurately. Keith PackardXFree86 Core TeamHP Cambridge Research Lab ___ I18n

[I18n]Unicode coverage for languages

2002-07-05 Thread Keith Packard
to take information in whatever format you have. Keith PackardXFree86 Core TeamHP Cambridge Research Lab -- LangDoneDescription AA Afar Djibouti, N Ethiopia Hamito-Semitic F., Cushitic Br. AB * Abkhazian Abkhazia (Georgia) Caucasian F. AF

Re: [I18n]The xkb with complex letter question again

2002-02-20 Thread Keith Packard
name the symbol? Does it currently have an X keysym? If not, we will create an new keysym. Keith PackardXFree86 Core TeamCompaq Cambridge Research Lab ___ I18n mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/i18n

Re: [I18n]The xkb with complex letter question again

2002-02-20 Thread Keith Packard
for taking that keysym and performing whatever action is appropriate, perhaps inserting two characters into the document. Keith PackardXFree86 Core TeamCompaq Cambridge Research Lab ___ I18n mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http

Re: [I18n]The xkb with complex letter question again

2002-02-20 Thread Keith Packard
of the letter returned ? it is sure some X part :-) am I right ? That portion is application dependent, or at least input-method dependent. There is no standard place in X to convert a single keysym into multiple characters, except in the input methods, and those aren't used by all applications. Keith

Re: [I18n]i18n mechanism

2002-02-19 Thread Keith Packard
on top of the glyph layer, but that is only a convenience for locales where a 1-1 mapping from Unicode char to glyph exists and where layout is straightforward. Keith PackardXFree86 Core TeamCompaq Cambridge Research Lab ___ I18n

Re: [I18n]Re: correcting BDF pointsize

2002-01-25 Thread Keith Packard
of slack in this computation; it should match if the resulting pixel size is within 1. Keith PackardXFree86 Core TeamCompaq Cambridge Research Lab ___ I18n mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/i18n

Re: [I18n]U+3000 limit

2002-01-08 Thread Keith Packard
without some minor modifications. Existing applications avoiding the XftFreeType interfaces will work just fine. Keith PackardXFree86 Core TeamCompaq Cambridge Research Lab ___ I18n mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman

Re: [I18n]Re: U+3000 limit

2002-01-08 Thread Keith Packard
and bitmap fonts can be used. A version of Xft that supports PCF fonts but still requires Render can be found in my CVS repository at http://keithp.com. Keith PackardXFree86 Core TeamCompaq Cambridge Research Lab ___ I18n mailing list [EMAIL

Re: [I18n]Re: U+3000 limit

2002-01-08 Thread Keith Packard
files directly, using either FreeType or some other font library. Keith PackardXFree86 Core TeamCompaq Cambridge Research Lab ___ I18n mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/i18n

Re: [I18n]RE: Surrogate font format/encoding on X windows

2002-01-08 Thread Keith Packard
for UCS-2 encoding. Keith PackardXFree86 Core TeamCompaq Cambridge Research Lab ___ I18n mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/i18n

Re: [I18n]Re: RENDER performance

2001-12-29 Thread Keith Packard
in resolution, I expect Render will be relatively well established and core protocol workarounds needed only for really old (and low resolution) hardware. Keith PackardXFree86 Core TeamCompaq Cambridge Research Lab ___ I18n mailing list

Re: [I18n]Re: X and Supplementary Planes

2001-12-28 Thread Keith Packard
than attempting to work around deficiencies in the original core X text design. I think there is concensus that client-side text (in whatever guise -- Xft or ST) is the best way forward. Let's focus on making that solution available on all desktops as soon as possible. Keith Packard

[I18n]Re: [Fonts]Another approach to text in X

2001-12-23 Thread Keith Packard
existing font users. The immediate goal is to standardize how fonts are located so that all fonts are available to all applications. Keith PackardXFree86 Core TeamCompaq Cambridge Research Lab ___ I18n mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [I18n]Another approach to text in X

2001-12-20 Thread Keith Packard
source of glyph images as far as the X server is concerned. I hope it will also become a cooperative partner in simplifying and standardizing the use of fonts within the open source environment. Keith PackardXFree86 Core TeamCompaq Cambridge Research Lab

Re: [I18n]ISO 10646 Fonts and XFontSet question

2001-09-29 Thread Keith Packard
Around 9 o'clock on Sep 29, Brian Stell wrote: Xft is clearly the 1st choice (and perhaps only choice) most single language apps should look at to make this transition. As Xft can also use core fonts, and will provide a Unicode API for those, Xft should be useful even when running on

Re: [I18n]ISO 10646 Fonts and XFontSet question

2001-09-29 Thread Keith Packard
Around 16 o'clock on Sep 29, Brian Stell wrote: My only word of caution here is that recently people have been generating bitmap fonts from outline fonts and installing them as bitmap fonts. These are at best only fair and often are mediorce. At present I do not know how to distinguish

Re: [I18n]ISO 10646 Fonts and XFontSet question

2001-09-29 Thread Keith Packard
Around 11 o'clock on Sep 29, Brian Stell wrote: Using hand tuned bitmap fonts is a very important consideration as they almost always look better than outline rendered bitmaps. Many people prefer them over anti-aliased fonts at the same size. I'll fix Xft to use them; I believe it

Re: [I18n]ISO 10646 Fonts and XFontSet question

2001-09-28 Thread Keith Packard
Around 23 o'clock on Sep 28, Juliusz Chroboczek wrote: We're aware of that (Tifinagh is the example I like to give). The point Keith was making (if I understood him correctly) was that core X fonts should only be used for glyphs covered by legacy encodings. For new glyphs, client-side