Re: [I18n]ISO 10646 Fonts and XFontSet question

2001-10-03 Thread Tomohiro KUBOTA
Hi, At Wed, 3 Oct 2001 16:58:36 +1000 (EST), Jim Breen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [David Starner (Re: [I18n]ISO 10646 Fonts and XFontSet question) writes:] Would it be possible to give a quick rundown on what the Monbushou rules are? Well, a quick overview. - from the 1890s there were

Re: [I18n]ISO 10646 Fonts and XFontSet question

2001-10-02 Thread Pablo Saratxaga
Kaixo! On Tue, Oct 02, 2001 at 02:15:36PM +0900, Tomohiro KUBOTA wrote: Thus, I think we need bi-width or variable-width fonts which covers You only need that for charcell fonts. I have already seen Japanese text My intention is mainly on variable-width fonts. So far XFree86 I mean

Re: [I18n]ISO 10646 Fonts and XFontSet question

2001-10-02 Thread Tomohiro KUBOTA
Hi, At Wed, 3 Oct 2001 10:37:17 +1000 (EST), Jim Breen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course we can all (well, 99.9% of us 8-} ) whip out lists of common words that contain non-Jouyou kanji, some of which didn't even make Level 1. Donburi-no-don is another obvious one. I usually see kampeki

Re: [I18n]ISO 10646 Fonts and XFontSet question

2001-10-01 Thread Jungshik Shin
On Mon, 1 Oct 2001, Jim Breen wrote: [Keith Packard (Re: [I18n]ISO 10646 Fonts and XFontSet question) writes:] Han unification arguably makes these four character sets the most problematic. What this means is that font selection must be done by a Problematic, yes, but is must

Re: [I18n]ISO 10646 Fonts and XFontSet question

2001-10-01 Thread Jim Breen
[David Starner (Re: [I18n]ISO 10646 Fonts and XFontSet question) writes:] Someone (Jim Breen?) pointed out the extreme level to which Microsoft embeds bitmaps in their scalable fonts for good display. I think it was Markus. Jim -- Jim Breen [[EMAIL PROTECTED] http

Re: [I18n]ISO 10646 Fonts and XFontSet question

2001-09-30 Thread David Starner
On Sun, Sep 30, 2001 at 03:44:18PM +0100, Markus Kuhn wrote: Usually, users are prefectly able to pick the fonts manually that have the coverage and style they really need, and if a glyph is missing from that font, it will typically also not be readable for the user. Mixing fonts

Re: [I18n]ISO 10646 Fonts and XFontSet question

2001-09-30 Thread Jim Breen
[Pablo Saratxaga (Re: [I18n]ISO 10646 Fonts and XFontSet question) writes:] The problem is not the mixing of a lot of script the problem is that even with only two scripts you have big chances to lack a font; for example I know of *no* font having glyphs for both Japanese and French. [Click

Re: [I18n]ISO 10646 Fonts and XFontSet question

2001-09-30 Thread Jim Breen
G'day [Tomohiro KUBOTA (Re: [I18n]ISO 10646 Fonts and XFontSet question) writes:] At Mon, 1 Oct 2001 12:59:22 +1000 (EST), Jim Breen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Arguments over glyphs have bedevilled the acceptance of Unicode in the CJK countries, and you still hear people in Japan saying

Re: [I18n]ISO 10646 Fonts and XFontSet question

2001-09-30 Thread Tomohiro KUBOTA
Hi, At Mon, 1 Oct 2001 15:00:23 +1000 (EST), Jim Breen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I heard comments to that effect several times in the last 12 months. Not from up-to-date computer-literate people, but from linguistics people who had been influenced by the nonsense that had been said and

Re: [I18n]ISO 10646 Fonts and XFontSet question

2001-09-29 Thread Brian Stell
Keith Packard wrote: ... Now that's a good idea -- allow the application to hand additional fonts to Xft to fill-in the holes. Applications would then be in control of how those additional fonts were selected if they so chose. Would you like a per-font callback invoked when an attempt to

Re: [I18n]ISO 10646 Fonts and XFontSet question

2001-09-29 Thread Brian Stell
Brian Stell wrote: Keith Packard wrote: ... Now that's a good idea -- allow the application to hand additional fonts to Xft to fill-in the holes. Applications would then be in control of how those additional fonts were selected if they so chose. Would you like a per-font callback

Re: [I18n]ISO 10646 Fonts and XFontSet question

2001-09-29 Thread Brian Stell
Brian Stell wrote: Keith Packard wrote: ... Now that's a good idea -- allow the application to hand additional fonts to Xft to fill-in the holes. This is where/why the list of available glyphs in a font is needed. -- Brian Stell ___

Re: [I18n]ISO 10646 Fonts and XFontSet question

2001-09-29 Thread Keith Packard
Around 9 o'clock on Sep 29, Brian Stell wrote: Xft is clearly the 1st choice (and perhaps only choice) most single language apps should look at to make this transition. As Xft can also use core fonts, and will provide a Unicode API for those, Xft should be useful even when running on

Re: [I18n]ISO 10646 Fonts and XFontSet question

2001-09-29 Thread Brian Stell
Markus Kuhn wrote: ... Is there already a way to use pixel fonts with render? For some applications (terminal emulators with small glyphs most notably, e.g. popular with programmers and sys-admins), bitmap fonts will always be preferable over TrueType fonts. Please do not neglect them in

Re: [I18n]ISO 10646 Fonts and XFontSet question

2001-09-29 Thread Brian Stell
Pablo Saratxaga wrote: ... If it would also be possible for users (or sys admin) to have the choice to merge those default pseudo fonts with real fonts (of the same style), that is, all fonts will always have the maximum coverage, the face name will only say which real font to get the

Re: [I18n]ISO 10646 Fonts and XFontSet question

2001-09-29 Thread Keith Packard
Around 16 o'clock on Sep 29, Brian Stell wrote: My only word of caution here is that recently people have been generating bitmap fonts from outline fonts and installing them as bitmap fonts. These are at best only fair and often are mediorce. At present I do not know how to distinguish

Re: [I18n]ISO 10646 Fonts and XFontSet question

2001-09-29 Thread Keith Packard
Around 11 o'clock on Sep 29, Brian Stell wrote: Using hand tuned bitmap fonts is a very important consideration as they almost always look better than outline rendered bitmaps. Many people prefer them over anti-aliased fonts at the same size. I'll fix Xft to use them; I believe it

Re: [I18n]ISO 10646 Fonts and XFontSet question

2001-09-28 Thread Keith Packard
Around 23 o'clock on Sep 28, Juliusz Chroboczek wrote: We're aware of that (Tifinagh is the example I like to give). The point Keith was making (if I understood him correctly) was that core X fonts should only be used for glyphs covered by legacy encodings. For new glyphs, client-side