Re: [IAEP] OpenEd Conference / Mozilla Drumbeat Festival

2010-11-02 Thread Werner Westermann
Hi SJ, looking forward to see you again. Great, the Wiki Lounge is certainly one of the trends to follow at the Drumbeat. I did not notice other wikieducator slots, be happy to join and contribute. I am far from being capable of making activities, just in my first steps with python, Iĺl be

Re: [IAEP] Granny Cloud

2010-11-02 Thread K. K. Subramaniam
On Tuesday 02 Nov 2010 8:17:34 am Caryl Bigenho wrote: Hi All... Here is a concise article that summarizes Sugata Mitra's work with the Granny Cloud. Note he says a 1 to 1 model doesn't work. He uses 4 to 1. http://dnc.digitalunite.com/2010/07/29/granny-cloud-to-teach-children-via-

Re: [IAEP] Granny Cloud

2010-11-02 Thread Alan Kay
To me, this is the main point. Years ago (at PARC) we decided that in any meaningful world, we needed to help 90% of the learners achieve real fluency (or judge our methods to be not good enough). Both the 90% and real fluency are crucial (the latter is often abandoned when the former is held

[IAEP] 90% fluency Re: Granny Cloud

2010-11-02 Thread Yamandu Ploskonka
When I was in Bolivia recently I happened to be present at a rather high-level meeting where the matter of the literacy rate of Ecuador was being discussed, and criticism of those critisizing it got criticized - apparently UNICEF or one other such agency had disputed a 1% gain claimed by the

Re: [IAEP] 90% fluency Re: Granny Cloud

2010-11-02 Thread Caryl Bigenho
Hi All... A bit of family history to shed light on my opinion on this... My Irish great-grandmother was unable to read and write when her first children were born, back in the 1860's (she was born at the start of the Potato Famine). She signed their birth certificates with an X. Within a

Re: [IAEP] 90% fluency Re: Granny Cloud

2010-11-02 Thread Yamandu Ploskonka
thank you, yep, you right. On 11/02/2010 04:40 PM, Martin Langhoff wrote: On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 4:38 PM, Yamandu Ploskonkayamap...@gmail.com wrote: request to understand better what Alan meant by 90% fluency... Fluency in 90% of the population, not 90% fluency. You could want to

Re: [IAEP] 90% fluency Re: Granny Cloud

2010-11-02 Thread Alan Kay
I didn't say 90% fluency, I said to get 90% of the children to the level of fluency. Cheers, Alan From: Yamandu Ploskonka yamap...@gmail.com To: Caryl Bigenho cbige...@hotmail.com Cc: Alan Kay alan.n...@yahoo.com; IAEP SugarLabs iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org;

Re: [IAEP] 90% fluency Re: Granny Cloud

2010-11-02 Thread Yamandu Ploskonka
hmm, sure..., sorry What does it mean? 90% of the children get 100%? Is there a sliding scale / bell curve? what is fluency, anyway? fluency in what? On 11/02/2010 05:08 PM, Alan Kay wrote: I didn't say 90% fluency, I said to get 90% of the children to the level of fluency. Cheers,

Re: [IAEP] 90% fluency Re: Granny Cloud

2010-11-02 Thread Jecel Assumpcao Jr.
Yamandu Ploskonka wrote: thank you, yep, you right. On 11/02/2010 04:40 PM, Martin Langhoff wrote: On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 4:38 PM, Yamandu Ploskonkayamap...@gmail.com wrote: request to understand better what Alan meant by 90% fluency... Fluency in 90% of the population,

Re: [IAEP] 90% fluency Re: Granny Cloud

2010-11-02 Thread Yamandu Ploskonka
interesting... What about nature / nurture? are we talking about 90% of those who actually can, or 90% of all? in any case, we hit very different individual learning slopes... To follow up with the kind of example you use, today's Wall Street Journal has an article on how even highly

Re: [IAEP] 90% fluency Re: Granny Cloud

2010-11-02 Thread Zachary Charles Clifton
I believe that Alan has used examples like 90% before that one can read to gain additional insight to his view. A quick search will provide some resources. Here is one I found: http://secretgeek.net/camel_kay.asp Hopefully that helps shed some light. Zachary C. Clifton On Nov 2, 2010, at

Re: [IAEP] 90% fluency Re: Granny Cloud

2010-11-02 Thread Yamandu Ploskonka
VERY interesting, Zachary. it turned out that an unusual teacher was the culprit, thus something that cannot be scaled... On really good teachers, and on how maybe that is not something transferable, http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/07/magazine/07Teachers-t.html?pagewanted=all Lemov and