Re: [IAEP] Comments on David Kokorowski, David Pritchard and Mastering Educational SW

2009-07-03 Thread Bill Kerr
On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 12:48 AM, Maria Droujkova droujk...@gmail.comwrote: From: K. K. Subramaniam subb...@gmail.com On Tuesday 30 Jun 2009 11:23:24 pm Alan Kay wrote: what is more interesting is how well certain ways of thinking work in finding strong models of phenomena compared to

Re: [IAEP] Comments on David Kokorowski, David Pritchard and Mastering Educational SW

2009-07-02 Thread Alan Kay
Cc: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2009 12:12:59 PM Subject: Re: [IAEP] Comments on David Kokorowski, David Pritchard and Mastering Educational SW On Wednesday 01 Jul 2009 9:03:26 am Alan Kay wrote: Your last sentence is somewhat parallel to what many business types like to say

Re: [IAEP] Comments on David Kokorowski, David Pritchard and Mastering Educational SW

2009-07-02 Thread K. K. Subramaniam
On Thursday 02 Jul 2009 5:19:58 pm Alan Kay wrote: Knowledge - On the other hand, Henry Ford was not nearly as smart as Leonardo, but was born at a very good time and in a good place, so he was able to combine engineering and production inventions to make millions of inexpensive automobiles.

Re: [IAEP] Comments on David Kokorowski, David Pritchard and Mastering Educational SW

2009-07-02 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 15:12, K. K. Subramaniamsubb...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday 02 Jul 2009 5:19:58 pm Alan Kay wrote: Knowledge - On the other hand, Henry Ford was not nearly as smart as Leonardo, but was born at a very good time and in a good place, so he was able to combine engineering

Re: [IAEP] Comments on David Kokorowski, David Pritchard and Mastering Educational SW

2009-07-02 Thread Alan Kay
:02 AM Subject: Re: [IAEP] Comments on David Kokorowski, David Pritchard and Mastering Educational SW On Thursday 02 Jul 2009 5:19:58 pm Alan Kay wrote: Knowledge - On the other hand, Henry Ford was not nearly as smart as Leonardo, but was born at a very good time and in a good place, so he

Re: [IAEP] Comments on David Kokorowski, David Pritchard and Mastering Educational SW

2009-07-01 Thread Maria Droujkova
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 11:33 PM, Alan Kayalan.n...@yahoo.com wrote: When I get together with other scientists, at some point I ask them how they got started. For most, it wasn't because of school, but because of direct contact with adults, often a relative who was a scientist, and some of the

Re: [IAEP] Comments on David Kokorowski, David Pritchard and Mastering Educational SW

2009-07-01 Thread Alan Kay
To: Alan Kay alan.n...@yahoo.com Cc: K. K. Subramaniam subb...@gmail.com; iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2009 8:18:34 AM Subject: Re: [IAEP] Comments on David Kokorowski, David Pritchard and Mastering Educational SW On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 11:33 PM, Alan Kayalan.n...@yahoo.com

Re: [IAEP] Comments on David Kokorowski, David Pritchard and Mastering Educational SW

2009-07-01 Thread Maria Droujkova
on David Kokorowski, David Pritchard and Mastering Educational SW On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 11:33 PM, Alan Kayalan.n...@yahoo.com wrote: When I get together with other scientists, at some point I ask them how they got started. For most, it wasn't because of school, but because of direct contact

Re: [IAEP] Comments on David Kokorowski, David Pritchard and Mastering Educational SW

2009-07-01 Thread David Farning
. K. Subramaniam subb...@gmail.com; iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2009 8:18:34 AM Subject: Re: [IAEP] Comments on David Kokorowski, David Pritchard and Mastering Educational SW On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 11:33 PM, Alan Kayalan.n...@yahoo.com wrote: When I get together

Re: [IAEP] Comments on David Kokorowski, David Pritchard and Mastering Educational SW

2009-07-01 Thread Martin Dengler
On Wed, Jul 01, 2009 at 11:08:18AM -0500, David Farning wrote: [thread about how to get kids interested in science] While this is an interesting topic. It is getting pretty far from the goals of Sugar Labs, to create and promote a learning platform. I think it speaks to the components such a

Re: [IAEP] Comments on David Kokorowski, David Pritchard and Mastering Educational SW

2009-07-01 Thread Alan Kay
@lists.sugarlabs.org Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2009 8:55:27 AM Subject: Re: [IAEP] Comments on David Kokorowski, David Pritchard and Mastering Educational SW On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Alan Kay alan.n...@yahoo.com wrote: In theory, teachers are supposed to be a critical pool of significant adults

Re: [IAEP] Comments on David Kokorowski, David Pritchard and Mastering Educational SW

2009-07-01 Thread Alan Kay
@lists.sugarlabs.org Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2009 9:08:18 AM Subject: Re: [IAEP] Comments on David Kokorowski, David Pritchard and Mastering Educational SW On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 10:55 AM, Maria Droujkovadroujk...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Alan Kay alan.n...@yahoo.com wrote: In theory

Re: [IAEP] Comments on David Kokorowski, David Pritchard and Mastering Educational SW

2009-07-01 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 18:21, Martin Denglermar...@martindengler.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 01, 2009 at 11:08:18AM -0500, David Farning wrote: [thread about how to get kids interested in science] While this is an interesting topic.  It is getting pretty far from the goals of Sugar Labs, to create

Re: [IAEP] Comments on David Kokorowski, David Pritchard and Mastering Educational SW

2009-07-01 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 12:12 PM, K. K. Subramaniamsubb...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday 01 Jul 2009 9:03:26 am Alan Kay wrote: Your last sentence is somewhat parallel to what many business types like to say about how hard it is to measure Return On Investment for research funding. But in the

Re: [IAEP] Comments on David Kokorowski, David Pritchard and Mastering Educational SW

2009-07-01 Thread Frederick Grose
On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 1:50 PM, Maria Droujkova droujk...@gmail.com wrote: ... As I said, I am a beginner at Sugar, so what I say now may need (a lot of?) adjustment. We should assure everyone that we all are beginners at Sugar (as Alan did.) It's An Education Project, not a platform

Re: [IAEP] Comments on David Kokorowski, David Pritchard and Mastering Educational SW

2009-06-30 Thread K. K. Subramaniam
On Monday 29 Jun 2009 10:01:34 pm Alan Kay wrote: (a) the epistemology of science is not at all what most people suppose, and it is rather distant from the normal ways our minds are set up to work, Could you please elaborate it? Isn't the desire to seek the deeper principles behind things and

Re: [IAEP] Comments on David Kokorowski, David Pritchard and ''Mastering'' Educational SW

2009-06-30 Thread Alan Kay
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 9:37:47 PM Subject: Re: Re: [IAEP] Comments on David Kokorowski, David Pritchard and ''Mastering'' Educational SW I share Alan and Edward's concern that we are selling kids short, if physics education is all about just getting the 'right' answers but want to break down

Re: [IAEP] Comments on David Kokorowski, David Pritchard and Mastering Educational SW

2009-06-30 Thread Alan Kay
...@gmail.com To: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 4:11:14 AM Subject: Re: [IAEP] Comments on David Kokorowski, David Pritchard and Mastering Educational SW On Monday 29 Jun 2009 10:01:34 pm Alan Kay wrote: (a) the epistemology of science is not at all what most people suppose

Re: [IAEP] Comments on David Kokorowski, David Pritchard and Mastering Educational SW

2009-06-30 Thread K. K. Subramaniam
On Tuesday 30 Jun 2009 5:42:29 pm Alan Kay wrote: ..There I should have said modern science to denote the kind of science that Galileo and a few others started, which Bacon discussed so well as a debugging process for what is wrong with our brains/minds, and which Newton first showed how

Re: [IAEP] Comments on David Kokorowski, David Pritchard and Mastering Educational SW

2009-06-30 Thread K. K. Subramaniam
On Tuesday 30 Jun 2009 11:23:24 pm Alan Kay wrote: what is more interesting is how well certain ways of thinking work in finding strong models of phenomena compared to others. This is the part that interests me too ... So, if we get pneumonia, there are lots of paradigms to choose from, but

Re: [IAEP] Comments on David Kokorowski, David Pritchard and Mastering Educational SW

2009-06-30 Thread Alan Kay
From: K. K. Subramaniam subb...@gmail.com To: Alan Kay alan.n...@yahoo.com Cc: iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 7:31:07 PM Subject: Re: [IAEP] Comments on David Kokorowski, David Pritchard and Mastering Educational SW On Tuesday 30 Jun 2009 11:23:24 pm Alan Kay wrote

Re: [IAEP] Comments on David Kokorowski, David Pritchard and Mastering Educational SW

2009-06-29 Thread Edward Cherlin
You can see the sort of problem Alan describes on occasional episodes of Mythbusters on the Discovery channel, where they talk about myths in the movies. The most recent such that I saw was Curving Bullet, based on a scene in the Angelina Jolie movie Wanted, in which swinging a gun is supposed to

Re: [IAEP] Comments on David Kokorowski, David Pritchard and ''Mastering'' Educational SW

2009-06-29 Thread forster
I share Alan and Edward's concern that we are selling kids short, if physics education is all about just getting the 'right' answers but want to break down the question posed by Greg into some sub-questions: 1)Despite the limitations of education which focuses on getting the 'right' answers,