Re: Patents, Copyrights, Profits, Flex and Hercules

2007-06-14 Thread Sebastian Welton
On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 14:37:38 +0900, Timothy Sipples [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are other effects. For example, another wise thing IBM did in my opinion is to release Tivoli OMEGAMON XE for z/OS Management Console. This product is available for download at no additional charge to anyone --

Two Quick Dovetail[ed] Corrections

2007-06-14 Thread Timothy Sipples
I at least implied in an earlier post that IBM acquired Dovetail. Some corrections: 1. The correct name of the company is Dovetailed Technologies, LLC. Their Web site is http://www.dovetail.com 2. IBM acquired JZOS, the Java batch technology, not the whole company. I regret the errors. My

Re: SMP/E, IEBUPDTE, and SuperC (was: CA-1 install - user exits?)

2007-06-14 Thread Bruce Hewson
Hello Gil, One thing you never do with IEPUPDTE input or managed datasets is access them with any editor that modifies line numbers. Even though the source or macro member has line numbers, you can only EDIT them in UNNUM mode. I also recommend that you only access such data using a screen

Re: Patents, Copyrights, Profits, Flex and Hercules

2007-06-14 Thread Chris Mason
Mark Indeed I did spot it[1] - which is only by chance since there's no guarantee I review each contribution in each thread in exhaustive detail. Then I looked for the opportunity for an unwary reader to become confused over the two possible meanings. I couldn't find it - so I - thought to -

Re: Patents, Copyrights, Profits, Flex and Hercules

2007-06-14 Thread Chris Mason
Let's see if this version gets through whatever was the unintelligible problem with the last effort! Mark What... no takers, no war? I'm disappointed. An *IBM representative* used the U word not once, but twice. Does that mean it's officially ok to use again casually when the

Re: Patents, Copyrights, Profits, Flex and Hercules

2007-06-14 Thread Chris Mason
Mark There is no question that yours is a cursed post. I have sent two versions of my reply and both have produced a fatwa condemning it in the following terms: rejected because it contains an attachment of type 'APPLICATION/OCTET-STREAM'. for which I was certainly not responsible.

Re: SMP/E, IEBUPDTE, and SuperC (was: CA-1 install - user exits?)

2007-06-14 Thread Shane
On Thu, 2007-06-14 at 02:50 -0500, Bruce Hewson wrote: ++SRCUPD and ++MACUPD via IEPUPDTE is only usable when the original data is supplied with line numbers that are guaranteed never to be changed. Trusting soul Bruce ???. I wouldn't trust any vendor that far - I always refit usermods using

Re: CF Sizer getting errors

2007-06-14 Thread Curt Thompson
Yes, I was encountering issues too, and reported it to IBM. However, it appears to be working now. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET

HSM ML2 volume list

2007-06-14 Thread Miklos Szigetvari
Hi If someone can suggest a HSM command to get a list of all ML2 datasets on an ML2 volume ( we would need the dataset name and the migrated dataset name ) We could generate list's but can't find out the migrated dataset names -- Miklos Szigetvari Development Team ISIS Information Systems

Re: HSM ML2 volume list

2007-06-14 Thread O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C]
Try List TTOC - sample below with output. Unless I'm missing something, migrated datasets are listed under their catalogued dataset names. You may be thinking of HSM Backup tapes which have a HSM name associated with each backup version. LIST TTOC(H10037) DSI

Re: SMP/E, IEBUPDTE, and SuperC (was: CA-1 install - user exits?)

2007-06-14 Thread Russell Witt
Bruce, You bring up many of the limitations of IEBUPDTE, which leads to another option. Stop using IEBUPDTE and go to full ++SRC for user exits. This means the sample is the entire exit with comment blocks were we suggest you place your user-code. The downside is that if we (the vendor) change

Re: HSM ML2 volume list

2007-06-14 Thread Richards.Bob
Resending, rejected the first time. Something about OCTET stream. Snipped original content. Here's a simple, but handy piece of REXX code. Change hlq to match your shop's naming conventions. From 3.4 or option 6, invoke as: %HTRUE ZDB2IUS.P.DSQDBCTL.DSQTSCT3.D070515.T001229

Re: Patents, Copyrights, Profits, Flex and Hercules

2007-06-14 Thread Steve Comstock
Sebastian Welton wrote: On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 14:37:38 +0900, Timothy Sipples [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are other effects. For example, another wise thing IBM did in my opinion is to release Tivoli OMEGAMON XE for z/OS Management Console. This product is available for download at no

Re: Patents, Copyrights, Profits, Flex and Hercules

2007-06-14 Thread Schramm, Rob
From Timothy's Quote Yet another effect is that BT/Is (Basement Tinkerers and Inventors) who create innovative z/OS software products might find that their young companies are worth more. There's at least one more company, IBM, interested in buying certain software companies. A company's buyer

Re: SMP/E, IEBUPDTE, and SuperC (was: CA-1 install - user exits?)

2007-06-14 Thread Tom Marchant
On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 07:37:11 -0500, Russell Witt wrote: And should these user-exits be SMP controlled to begin with? YES -- Tom Marchant -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to

Re: Patents, Copyrights, Profits, Flex and Hercules

2007-06-14 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Craddock, Chris Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 5:25 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Patents, Copyrights, Profits, Flex and Hercules Dave Kopischke wrote: Mark Zelden wrote:

Re: Patents, Copyrights, Profits, Flex and Hercules

2007-06-14 Thread Mark Zelden
On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 11:07:28 +0200, Chris Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mark There is no question that yours is a cursed post. I have sent two versions of my reply and both have produced a fatwa condemning it in the following terms: rejected because it contains an attachment of type

Re: HSM ML2 volume list

2007-06-14 Thread Miklos Szigetvari
Hi Thank you very much, we will try out. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at

Re: Patents, Copyrights, Profits, Flex and Hercules

2007-06-14 Thread Mohammad Khan
I share your pessimism on this, we aren't going to have a z/OS (or a clone) to play with. IBM has made it clear enough - if you want to develop pay big buck or you can play with MVS 3.8 if you are just a hobbyist. I guess all that is left to hobbyists is to start hacking the guts of MVS 3.8

Re: Patents, Copyrights, Profits, Flex and Hercules

2007-06-14 Thread Gregory, Gary G
I'm sure most financial people have heard of the Hogan Integrated Banking system. Back in the 70's Bernie Hogan did exactly what was discussed here - he and a couple of programmers would spend their nights and weekends in downtown Dallas at I believe RepublicBank. In the end they received a

Re: SMP/E, IEBUPDTE, and SuperC (was: CA-1 install - user exits?)

2007-06-14 Thread Eric Bielefeld
I remember one of the first projects I worked on as a systems programmer was updating JES2 with a level set Apar. This was back around 1979, using SMP Release 3. The JES2 updates were one big IEBUPDTE stream. I never realized that SPF did an automatic renumber of the data. Since JES

Re: Patents, Copyrights, Profits, Flex and Hercules

2007-06-14 Thread Craddock, Chris
Indeed, if we look at the Candle acquisition, the investments in those products have been reinvigorated.As just one example, we here in Japan were waiting years (decades?) for OMEGAMON to get full Japanese language translation That's true, but none too compelling (to me) because Candle

Re: SMP/E, IEBUPDTE, and SuperC (was: CA-1 install - user exits?)

2007-06-14 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 07:37:11 -0500, Russell Witt wrote: You bring up many of the limitations of IEBUPDTE, which leads to another option. Stop using IEBUPDTE and go to full ++SRC for user exits. This means the sample is the entire exit with comment blocks were we suggest you place your user-code.

Capacity and Relational Database

2007-06-14 Thread Gates, Guy
Greetings, I am working on sizing a new processor to carry us through the next few years. During the discussions, It was asked if the additional capacity that we are adding, If there is available Capacity to handle a Relational Database. We are not using a Relational Database today. My

Re: SMP/E, IEBUPDTE, and SuperC (was: CA-1 install - user exits?)

2007-06-14 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 02:50:00 -0500, Bruce Hewson wrote: One thing you never do with IEPUPDTE input or managed datasets is access them with any editor that modifies line numbers. ISPF's numbering facilities can be useful in providing valid numbers for inserted lines. Although it can be done,

Re: Patents, Copyrights, Profits, Flex and Hercules

2007-06-14 Thread Bruce Black
Vary true ... There used to be a product (it may still exist for all I know) that was a competitor to IBM's DFHSM ASM2 was eventually acquired by CA and become CA-DISK, then Brightstore CA-DISK, and now CA Disk Backup and Restore. I think there was an intermediate acquisition that I have

Re: Patents, Copyrights, Profits, Flex and Hercules

2007-06-14 Thread Wayne Driscoll
ASM2 was a Cambridge product, Cambridge was acquired by UCCEL at about the same time that SKK (ACF2) was. Cambridge had the exclusive marketing rights to the SKK product line in the US at the time. UCCEL was then acquired by CA about 6-9 months later. Wayne Driscoll Product Developer JME

Re: Patents, Copyrights, Profits, Flex and Hercules

2007-06-14 Thread John Eells
No! It is far from correct to conclude that, and I'm sure that's not at all what Timothy meant. We have a really substantial investment in z/OS development spread across several sites worldwide. Much of that development has been and continues to be for the MVS part of z/OS. Clem Clarke

Re: Patents, Copyrights, Profits, Flex and Hercules

2007-06-14 Thread Lester, Bob
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bruce Black Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 8:38 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Patents, Copyrights, Profits, Flex and Hercules Vary true ... There used to be a product (it may still

Re: Patents, Copyrights, Profits, Flex and Hercules

2007-06-14 Thread Mark Jacobs
Bruce Black wrote: Vary true ... There used to be a product (it may still exist for all I know) that was a competitor to IBM's DFHSM ASM2 was eventually acquired by CA and become CA-DISK, then Brightstore CA-DISK, and now CA Disk Backup and Restore. I think there was an intermediate

Re: Patents, Copyrights, Profits, Flex and Hercules

2007-06-14 Thread Binyamin Dissen
On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 11:04:28 -0400 Mark Jacobs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: :Bruce Black wrote: : Vary true ... There used to be a product (it may still exist for all : I know) that was a competitor to IBM's DFHSM : ASM2 was eventually acquired by CA and become CA-DISK, then : Brightstore CA-DISK,

Re: Patents, Copyrights, Profits, Flex and Hercules

2007-06-14 Thread Mark Jacobs
Binyamin Dissen wrote: On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 11:04:28 -0400 Mark Jacobs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: :Bruce Black wrote: : Vary true ... There used to be a product (it may still exist for all : I know) that was a competitor to IBM's DFHSM : ASM2 was eventually acquired by CA and become CA-DISK, then

Re: Patents, Copyrights, Profits, Flex and Hercules

2007-06-14 Thread Jeffrey D. Smith
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Binyamin Dissen Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 9:15 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Patents, Copyrights, Profits, Flex and Hercules On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 11:04:28 -0400 Mark Jacobs

Re: Patents, Copyrights, Profits, Flex and Hercules

2007-06-14 Thread Farley, Peter x23353
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Eells Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 11:01 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Patents, Copyrights, Profits, Flex and Hercules No! It is far from correct to conclude that, and

Re: Patents, Copyrights, Profits, Flex and Hercules

2007-06-14 Thread Rich Smrcina
This appears to be getting a life of it's own on vse-l now (which is also searchable on Google), complete with a sidetrack about Oracle on VM! Careful what you wish for... :) Timothy Sipples wrote: Rich Smrcina says: I should start putting Linux on z/VSE in random blog posts to see if I can

Re: Format of TSO Receive in batch

2007-06-14 Thread Patrick O'Keefe
On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 16:53:08 -0600, Steve Comstock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... this is because DSNAME is one of the possible responses to the message put out by receive, not part of the receive command Ya know, I'd feel very bad about missing that except so did 3 other system programmers here.

Re: Patents, Copyrights, Profits, Flex and Hercules

2007-06-14 Thread Mark Zelden
On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 10:38:04 -0400, Bruce Black [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vary true ... There used to be a product (it may still exist for all I know) that was a competitor to IBM's DFHSM ASM2 was eventually acquired by CA and become CA-DISK, then Brightstore CA-DISK, and now CA Disk Backup and

Re: SMP/E, IEBUPDTE, and SuperC (was: CA-1 install - user exits?)

2007-06-14 Thread Kenneth E Tomiak
In my experience, fewer new sysprogs know about IEBUPDTE because they have no need to run it on their own. Serverpac creates jobs that many newer people just submit and if they get the desired return code have no idea what they ran because they never scroll through the job. So even if Serverpac

Re: Is Parallel Programming Just Too Hard?

2007-06-14 Thread Howard Brazee
On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 09:09:18 -0600, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: Researchers at Intel are working on ways to mask the intricate functionality of massive multicore chips to make it easier for computer makers and software developers to adapt to them, said Jerry Bautista, co-director of

Re: Format of TSO Receive in batch

2007-06-14 Thread Kenneth E Tomiak
On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 10:57:28 -0500, Patrick O'Keefe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now, if you're offering to provide the training for free, ... :-) Pat O'Keefe Free: A wonderful PDF on Steve Comstock's website. Free: www.cbttape.org has a wealth of examples. Free:

Re: Format of TSO Receive in batch

2007-06-14 Thread Steve Comstock
Patrick O'Keefe wrote: On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 16:53:08 -0600, Steve Comstock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... this is because DSNAME is one of the possible responses to the message put out by receive, not part of the receive command Ya know, I'd feel very bad about missing that except so did 3

Re: Format of TSO Receive in batch

2007-06-14 Thread Tom Marchant
On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 10:57:28 -0500, Patrick O'Keefe wrote: ... I probably just need more training ... We can arrange that! ... ... Now, if you're offering to provide the training for free, ... :-) Oh, I'm sure he is. And I'll bet he'd love to buy you lunch while he's at it. /sarcasm --

Re: Patents, Copyrights, Profits, Flex and Hercules

2007-06-14 Thread Binyamin Dissen
On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 11:01:06 -0500 Mark Zelden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: : but I don't think CA :was the original developer. I think you will have to offer at least 30 to 1 for anyone to take that bet. -- Binyamin Dissen [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Read JCL Symbols from a program?

2007-06-14 Thread Victor Gil
Here's what I do to pass a DB2 plan name to a subroutine 10 level below the step-level prog: //SET PLAN=PlanName ... //DB2PLAN DD DISP=(,PASS),SPACE=(0,0),DSN=amp;PLAN The DSN expands into SYSx.Txx.RAxxx..PlanName.Hxx, and so the subroutine issues RDJFCB against

Re: Patents, Copyrights, Profits, Flex and Hercules

2007-06-14 Thread Dean Kent
Timothy Sipples [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] OK, moving on to the separate issue you raise. It's an excellent question. As said, to a first order effect, IBM buying Candle (for example) did not expand the mainframe market. And what I think you mean is expanding the

Re: Patents, Copyrights, Profits, Flex and Hercules

2007-06-14 Thread Staller, Allan
snip CA acquired ASM2 so long ago that I forgot where they got it from - but I don't think CA was the original developer. /snip I can think of very few products *EVER* developed by CA. Including their very 1st product CA-SORT. Their old motto Software Superior by Design should have read

Re: Patents, Copyrights, Profits, Flex and Hercules

2007-06-14 Thread Ed Gould
On Jun 14, 2007, at 8:07 AM, Mark Zelden wrote: Mark and others: I had two posts rejected because of the same issue. One was probably legit and the other I couldn't find anything in it that was wrong. Darren must be experimenting again:( Ed

Re: Patents, Copyrights, Profits, Flex and Hercules

2007-06-14 Thread Richards.Bob
I think Manage/SMF was one of them. Not content to have a very useful product, they imbedded it into CA-JARS. In the last couple of years it was been split out again as SMF Director, but they want too many $$$ for a functionality that most sysprogs developed a workaround for 20 years ago. Bob

Re: Patents, Copyrights, Profits, Flex and Hercules

2007-06-14 Thread Howard Brazee
On 14 Jun 2007 09:58:46 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: By 'expanding the market', I was referring to the context of the original post - which was essentially about opportunities for entrepreneurs, not about end users. I simply cannot see how anyone, anywhere, in any position can

Re: SMP/E, IEBUPDTE, and SuperC (was: CA-1 install - user exits?)

2007-06-14 Thread Ed Gould
On Jun 14, 2007, at 11:02 AM, Kenneth E Tomiak wrote: In my experience, fewer new sysprogs know about IEBUPDTE because they have no need to run it on their own. Serverpac creates jobs that many newer people just submit and if they get the desired return code have no idea what they ran

Re: Patents, Copyrights, Profits, Flex and Hercules

2007-06-14 Thread Gregory, Gary G
CA Dynam/D, CA Dynam/T and CA Dynam/FI Gary Garland Gregory, MS CA Senior Software Engineer Tel: +1-214-473-1863 Fax: +1-214-473-1050 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Staller, Allan Sent: Thursday, June

Re: Patents, Copyrights, Profits, Flex and Hercules

2007-06-14 Thread Ted MacNEIL
now Sterling Commerce) that markets NDM (now Connect:Direct). NDM, Connect/Direct Connect/Enterprise are separate products. At least, they are keyed separately. Having had to fight our service provider over them, that's one thing I learned! - Too busy driving to stop for gas!

Re: Patents, Copyrights, Profits, Flex and Hercules

2007-06-14 Thread Gregory, Gary G
Oh yeah, how could I forget the product I work on - CA Tape Encryption. Gary Garland Gregory, MS CA Senior Software Engineer Tel: +1-214-473-1863 Fax: +1-214-473-1050 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of

DB2 Data Bases and Central Storage

2007-06-14 Thread Lizette Koehler
Hi - Has anyone been asked by their DB2 DBAs (or DB2 Sysprogs) on the MVS Mainframe what it would take to place their Tables into Storage? We are DB2 V8 nfm with z/OS V1.7 on a z9 and z860 systems. Some of our DB2 folkes have been asking us and we cannot see why they would want to do that

Re: Patents, Copyrights, Profits, Flex and Hercules

2007-06-14 Thread Gregory, Gary G
CA-DISK AKA BrightStor CA-Disk, et al was SAMS:DISK from the Sterling Software acquisition. GGG snip Vary true ... There used to be a product (it may still exist for all I know) that was a competitor to IBM's DFHSM ASM2 was eventually acquired by CA and become CA-DISK, then Brightstore

Re: Patents, Copyrights, Profits, Flex and Hercules

2007-06-14 Thread Lester, Bob
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 12:32 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Patents, Copyrights, Profits, Flex and Hercules now Sterling Commerce) that markets NDM (now

Re: Patents, Copyrights, Profits, Flex and Hercules

2007-06-14 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 6/14/2007 1:31:52 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: CA acquired ASM2 so long ago that I forgot where they got it from - but I don't think CA was the original developer. UCCEL acquired ASM2 on DEC 1985 from Cambridge Systems, which was somewhere in

Re: Patents, Copyrights, Profits, Flex and Hercules

2007-06-14 Thread Gregory, Gary G
I was at UCCEL during that period of time. During all of those acquit ions they also bought a little Boston company, CORADALE (or something like that) for their VSE System/Manager (Space/Manager, Tape/Manager) and System/Scheduler products. So UCCEL had System/Manager and CA had DYNAM. UCCEL

Re: Patents, Copyrights, Profits, Flex and Hercules

2007-06-14 Thread Chuck Arney
CA's original products were all developed internally. They were VM and VSE based products. The original products were IDOS (cut down VSE that ran under CMS), SYMBUG and SYMDATA. Dynam/D and Dynam/FI were internally developed but Dynam/T was acquired from Viking Computer. Chuck Arney illustro

Re: Patents, Copyrights, Profits, Flex and Hercules

2007-06-14 Thread Gregory, Gary G
If you remember -- shortly after UCCEL acquired ASM2 they killed UCC3. snip I was employed by Cambridge Systems Group at the time of the takeover by UCCEL. As it was explained to me by folks there who seemed to know what was happening, UCCEL wanted to buy only ACF2, but CSG had

Re: Patents, Copyrights, Profits, Flex and Hercules

2007-06-14 Thread Richards.Bob
Mark, I am fairly sure it was imbedded and in order to get it, you had to also get CA-JARS (a very bad idea. IBM's Performance Reporter was worse, at the time, though...LOL). Yup, VERY convenient and useful tool. Bob Richards -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List

Re: DB2 Data Bases and Central Storage

2007-06-14 Thread Steve Comstock
Lizette Koehler wrote: Hi - Has anyone been asked by their DB2 DBAs (or DB2 Sysprogs) on the MVS Mainframe what it would take to place their Tables into Storage? We are DB2 V8 nfm with z/OS V1.7 on a z9 and z860 systems. Some of our DB2 folkes have been asking us and we cannot see why

Re: IBM discoveries Charge Back...

2007-06-14 Thread Kelman, Tom
It looks like they're talking about the IBM Tivoli Usage and Accounting Manager (ITUAM) in this paper. That is the old CIMS package which my company has had for several years. IBM purchased CIMS at the end of last year. Tom Kelman Commerce Bank of Kansas City (816) 760-7632 -Original

Re: DB2 Data Bases and Central Storage

2007-06-14 Thread Lizette Koehler
I should have mentioned, this is due to apar OA17114 that is just coming into the light. Lizette Hi - Has anyone been asked by their DB2 DBAs (or DB2 Sysprogs) on the MVS Mainframe what it would take to place their Tables into Storage? We are DB2 V8 nfm with z/OS V1.7 on a z9 and z860

Re: Patents, Copyrights, Profits, Flex and Hercules

2007-06-14 Thread Thompson, Steve
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 1:32 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Patents, Copyrights, Profits, Flex and Hercules now Sterling Commerce) that markets NDM (now

Re: DB2 Data Bases and Central Storage

2007-06-14 Thread Wayne Driscoll
Steve, I assume that Lizette's question has to do with DB2 V8 and defining DB2 bufferpools large enough to hold most of the data in the DBM1 above the bar private storage, so it will still be DB2. As for doing this, the big question is how much real memory do you have on your machine? Making the

Re: Patents, Copyrights, Profits, Flex and Hercules

2007-06-14 Thread Tony Harminc
On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 14:40:40 EDT, IBM Mainframe Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: UCCEL acquired ASM2 on DEC 1985 from Cambridge Systems, which was somewhere in the San Fran bay area. CSG was for a while subtitled The Stanford Center for Software Development, until someone connected to

flushing the ARP cache....

2007-06-14 Thread Dave Jones
I have a question from a colleague: What is the best way to flush ARP cache from a TCPIP stack at the OS/390 V2.10 level? (besides the obvious of stopping TCPIP and then restarting) Thanks. DJ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe /

Re: IBM discoveries Charge Back...

2007-06-14 Thread Ed Gould
On Jun 14, 2007, at 2:07 PM, Kelman, Tom wrote: It looks like they're talking about the IBM Tivoli Usage and Accounting Manager (ITUAM) in this paper. That is the old CIMS package which my company has had for several years. IBM purchased CIMS at the end of last year. Tom, I found it

Re: IBM discoveries Charge Back...

2007-06-14 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 6/14/2007 3:50:56 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Just before another group took over SMF processing we acquired a package that put to shame anything on the market (then and now), unfortunately it is probably defunct. I don't know since then if

Re: 3270 IBMLink is UP!!!

2007-06-14 Thread Glenn Miller
I'm curious, has anyone received information as to why the 3270 IBMLINK interface was made operational? Or, are we to believe that some VM console operator found the 'interface' or 'applciation' was down and did what they always did and re-started it. All without management awareness or

Re: Read JCL Symbols from a program?

2007-06-14 Thread Rick Fochtman
Gerhard Postpischil wrote: Rick Fochtman wrote: Probably because 40+ years ago, when this was designed, nobody in their wildest dreams could envision a need for a PARM longer than 100 bytes. :-) I doubt it. There were several components, Assembler F for one, where specifying most options

Re: Patents, Copyrights, Profits, Flex and Hercules

2007-06-14 Thread Gregory, Gary G
Steve, I started at Sterling Commerce a few weeks after it was spun off from Sterling Software. I was told the motivating factor was divide out the financial (Vector: xxx banking software) and commerce software (Connect:Direct, Connect:Enterprise, GENTRAN, etc) from the systems software

Re: Patents, Copyrights, Profits, Flex and Hercules

2007-06-14 Thread Rick Fochtman
Sebastian Welton wrote: On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 14:37:38 +0900, Timothy Sipples [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are other effects. For example, another wise thing IBM did in my opinion is to release Tivoli OMEGAMON XE for z/OS Management Console. This product is available for download at no

Re: SPAM-LOW: Re: SMP/E, IEBUPDTE, and SuperC

2007-06-14 Thread Rick Fochtman
-snip-- And should these user-exits be SMP controlled to begin with? Or should we simply give sample assemble/linkedit JCL along with the source and let the end user control their own destiny? The downside is that it might not always be obvious to new

Re: Patents, Copyrights, Profits, Flex and Hercules

2007-06-14 Thread Lester, Bob
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gregory, Gary G Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 3:54 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Patents, Copyrights, Profits, Flex and Hercules Steve, I started at Sterling Commerce a few weeks after

Re: SMP/E, IEBUPDTE, and SuperC (was: CA-1 install - user exits?)

2007-06-14 Thread Kenneth E Tomiak
On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 12:55:38 -0500, Ed Gould [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am mixed (as I have said in the past about serverpac) about servpacs on one hand they do the job but at the other its a dumbing down of the sysprog, IMO. I expect to hear a lot of noise because I am criticizing IBM again

Re: Patents, Copyrights, Profits, Flex and Hercules

2007-06-14 Thread Rick Fochtman
snip--: snip CA acquired ASM2 so long ago that I forgot where they got it from - but I don't think CA was the original developer. /snip I can think of very few products *EVER* developed by CA. Including their very 1st product CA-SORT. Their old

Re: Patents, Copyrights, Profits, Flex and Hercules

2007-06-14 Thread Randy Hudson
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 5. Buy to acquire skills. It is interesting that Univac bought the RCA design, but didn't keep the computer designers after they built their RCA like computer. So IBM hired the laid off engineers and built theirs. Univac was

Re: Patents, Copyrights, Profits, Flex and Hercules

2007-06-14 Thread Ken Brick
Gregory, Gary G wrote: CA Dynam/D, CA Dynam/T and CA Dynam/FI CA Dynam/T from memory had a manual in the early days that was almost an exact copy of EPAT Ken -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access

BLDL question

2007-06-14 Thread Paul Schuster
Hello: The manual z/OS DFSMS Macro Instructions for Data Sets SC26-7408-01 in Chapter 5 BLDL section states that When the system returns control to the problem program, the low-order byte of register 15 contains a return code. The low-order byte of register 0 contains a reason code. Can one

Re: BLDL question

2007-06-14 Thread Rick Fochtman
--snip---: Hello: The manual z/OS DFSMS Macro Instructions for Data Sets SC26-7408-01 in Chapter 5 BLDL section states that When the system returns control to the problem program, the low-order byte of register 15 contains a return code. The low-order byte of

Re: Read JCL Symbols from a program?

2007-06-14 Thread Gerhard Postpischil
Rick Fochtman wrote: Most default/desirable options for the Assembler and the compilers, etc. could be set at System Generation time, avoiding those long parm strings. And as I recall, SYS1.JOBQUEUE had a record size limit but it was significantly larger that 100 bytes; 1024 comes to mind, but

Re: BLDL question

2007-06-14 Thread Gerhard Postpischil
Paul Schuster wrote: Hello: The manual z/OS DFSMS Macro Instructions for Data Sets SC26-7408-01 in Chapter 5 BLDL section states that When the system returns control to the problem program, the low-order byte of register 15 contains a return code. The low-order byte of register 0 contains a

Re: BLDL question

2007-06-14 Thread David Day
Paul, I would take the manual literally. If it talks about the low order byte, I would not presume anything about any other bytes in the register. If what you are wanting to do is to check the return code then AND the register with x'00ff' and branch on the condition code. Better

Re: flushing the ARP cache....

2007-06-14 Thread John S. Giltner, Jr.
Dave Jones wrote: I have a question from a colleague: What is the best way to flush ARP cache from a TCPIP stack at the OS/390 V2.10 level? (besides the obvious of stopping TCPIP and then restarting) Thanks. DJ I am not sure if it works under OS/390, but you can try: V

Re: Patents, Copyrights, Profits, Flex and Hercules

2007-06-14 Thread Ed Gould
On Jun 14, 2007, at 1:40 PM, (IBM Mainframe Discussion List) wrote: In a message dated 6/14/2007 1:31:52 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: CA acquired ASM2 so long ago that I forgot where they got it from - but I don't think CA was the original developer. UCCEL

Re: Multiple TSO logons (was: Patents, ...)

2007-06-14 Thread Tony Harminc
On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 14:03:15 -0500, Paul Gilmartin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Theology. Dogma. Simply to start doing it right, you must stop doing it wrong. Somehow I feel a major culprit is VTAM because whenever this issue arises an expert starts spouting VTAM jargon. Get rid of VTAM; let

Re: SMP/E, IEBUPDTE, and SuperC (was: CA-1 install - user exits?)

2007-06-14 Thread Ed Gould
On Jun 14, 2007, at 5:18 PM, Kenneth E Tomiak wrote: As I heard it, Corporate Executives, not system programmers, told IBM they needed the software installation simplified. ServerPac is the answer. It is dumbing down the field. You did mention looking at the apply, well here I am again

Free C Compiler (Was: Patents, Copyrights, Profits, Flex and Hercules)

2007-06-14 Thread Timothy Sipples
John McKown writes: I would love more than that would be a port of the entire GNU tool chain. I know that IBM has done some of this, but I miss some of my favorite GNU utilities. As an example, GNU tar is, IMO, significantly better than pax (except that it cannot do the on-the-fly code

Re: Patents, Copyrights, Profits, Flex and Hercules

2007-06-14 Thread FRASER, Brian
I don't think CA was the original developer. What mainframe software did CA originally develop? --- This e-mail is sent by Suncorp-Metway Limited ABN 66 010 831 722 or one of its related entities Suncorp.

DR and JES check point question

2007-06-14 Thread Andy White
Im trying to find out from anyone out there who might be doing the same thing. We are planning for a disaster recovery site we control and mirror using XRC over distance. We currently have the JES2 check point for a few systems in a sysplex in an external CF, then the second check

Re: Multiple TSO logons (was: Patents, ...)

2007-06-14 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 20:30:43 -0500, Tony Harminc wrote: I've looked at this, and it isn't pretty doesn't even begin to describe it. Unless IBM has severely modularized things since the last non-OCO version of this stuff, it is full of hardcoded knowledge of not only VTAM (and TCAM!) module names,

Re: SMP/E, IEBUPDTE, and SuperC (was: CA-1 install - user exits?)

2007-06-14 Thread Ed Gould
On Jun 14, 2007, at 9:24 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 22:13:26 -0500, Ed Gould wrote: Of course there are many ways to do this my suggestion is a common sense one I believe, but there are others. I personally find it hard to believe that a typical sysprog would not know about

Re: Patents, Copyrights, Profits, Flex and Hercules

2007-06-14 Thread Ed Gould
On Jun 14, 2007, at 10:03 AM, Lester, Bob wrote: ---SNIP Vary true ... There used to be a product (it may still exist for all I know) that was a competitor to IBM's DFHSM ASM2 was eventually acquired by CA and become CA-DISK, then Brightstore CA-DISK,

Re: Patents, Copyrights, Profits, Flex and Hercules

2007-06-14 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 6/14/2007 8:19:07 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The person I dealt with was Shawn Mcclaren (sp?) and I am pretty sure he was on the west coast as seemed to take the red eyes quite a bit. I remembered the name CSG earlier but had forgotten

Re: SMP/E, IEBUPDTE, and SuperC (was: CA-1 install - user exits?)

2007-06-14 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 21:03:43 -0500, Ed Gould wrote: I was suggesting such context lines as guidance not so much for the programmer as for the (ISPF) editor in creating valid sequence numbers in the IEBUPDTE command file. Likewise, the provider should make the sequence numbers sparse in the

Re: Patents, Copyrights, Profits, Flex and Hercules

2007-06-14 Thread Ed Gould
On Jun 14, 2007, at 8:51 PM, FRASER, Brian wrote: I don't think CA was the original developer. What mainframe software did CA originally develop? My vague recollection was the cobol optimizer capex. I could be wrong its been ages and ages. Ed

Re: Patents, Copyrights, Profits, Flex and Hercules

2007-06-14 Thread Clem Clarke
John Eells wrote: No! It is far from correct to conclude that, and I'm sure that's not at all what Timothy meant. We have a really substantial investment in z/OS development spread across several sites worldwide. Much of that development has been and continues to be for the MVS part of

Re: SMP/E, IEBUPDTE, and SuperC (was: CA-1 install - user exits?)

2007-06-14 Thread Schwarz, Barry A
You forgot steps 2a (update usermod with correct REQ or fail the apply check) and 2b (determine if the update needs to be modified as a result of the PTF). From: Paul Gilmartin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thu 6/14/2007 7:05 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU

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