I'm certainly not at a level of knowledge of z/OS that I would like to
be. I'm often in awe at how much people on this and other lists know.
I like though that there is still a lot of cool stuff to learn.
I started with IBM mainframes in 1982 when I was at the university. I
was a music major
(There was also an adjacent room with a machine they called a Widget and was
used by CS 101 students. No idea what that was, but I think something by IBM.)
WIDJET.
Waterloo Interactive Debug and Job Entry Terminal.
Written by the University of Waterloo.
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On Sat, 2007-09-08 at 12:40 +0200, Lindy Mayfield wrote:
One point I'm making is that it took me years and a lot of difficult
study to grow to my current level. Yet there are many people now being
handed an MVS job to do and told to get to it.
Do others see this as a challenge?
No, I see
A PDP-11! Wow, if I only knew then...
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(There was also an
I forgot to add that we are running 2 processors so it appears that total
storage would really be around 2M.
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Lindy Mayfield wrote:
[snip]
I belong now to a couple of Yahoo Groups which is made up of mostly
people new to z/OS, and I help out and answer questions when I can. If
I'm not mistaken, by the names, most of the people are from India.
It is not uncommon to see posts like this:
quote
Hi,
I
Wow is that bad. All these variables with no indication of how one would set
them. The first comment claims to get user's input but never prompts for
anyhing. Another comment claims to delete the script file but only empties it.
And it only handles one file.
Long ago I read :REM is quicker
I am willing to try.
On Fri, 7 Sep 2007 06:11:02 -0500, Michael Stack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 10:26 PM 9/6/2007, you wrote:
On Thu, 6 Sep 2007 19:04:35 -0500, Michael Stack wrote:
I had the 16mm film copied to videotape before I retired from NIU in
1999, then I digitized it to DVD for
What does that mean? Do you want to know which manual describes the
Bookmaster tags? Do you think they released the libraries you include when
executing Document Composition Facility (a.k.a. SCRIPT) to the public?
On Fri, 7 Sep 2007 00:06:36 -0400, David Boyes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Does
Maybe we should not answer those questions. The outsourced work went to a
place where lower wages are paid. If they can not perform the work, things
will fail any maybe get insourced. Or sourced to a competent firm. By
answering the question you are now a free resource to the outsourcer.
Refer
Go for it George 2M of real storage in @ LPAR and this can really save
you a recreate for a sticky problem. We have been setup this way for a
while no problems. Currently on 1.8 and looking forward to being able
to specify more than 1M @ CP in z/OS 1.9.
COM='TRACE ST,999K,BR=OFF IBM
I see what you (and Shane) are saying. I don't answer the really bad
questions (like Steve has collected).
Then again I put myself in their shoes, people just trying to do a job
who are not involved in the politics of it all. It's hard not to feel
for them on a human level and not want to help.
On 8 Sep 2007 03:40:56 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lindy Mayfield) wrote:
One point I'm making is that it took me years and a lot of
difficult
study to grow to my current level. Yet there are many
people now being
handed an MVS job to
And just how are we all to figure out what offends your sentiments?
Sorry, and with all due respect, open dialog requires that some
people get insulted by a post.
Oh well...
I think it is far more important to keep the flow of opinions and
ideas going. And if some one is insulted, oh
That is a side of things that I hadn't considered. Thanks for pointing
it out.
Interesting, the company that I work for would basically send me to any
training I would like to take (within reason, of course), but I rarely
take advantage of it, preferring to just get a book and learn on my own.
On Fri, 7 Sep 2007 10:40:18 -0500 Vic Petrone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
:I have a main program that attaches a subtask. The main program specifies
:both ECB= and EXTR= on the ATTACHX macro. The ECB pointed by ECB=,
:resides ***within*** a subtask context area allocated by the main program.
Ed,
Then he could add an irritating and stupid filter as well...
Ron
Steve has the right idea maybe it should be carried one step further.
Just as an idea, how about if the list owner can insert some
identifier to the email so that we can filter on say raw recruit in
the subject line. The
I have nothing against newbies who want to learn. In
fact, I love to teach. However, I am not willing to help a
*company* that refuses to hire the expertise they need,
again regardless of location. I see those companies as the
root of the problem.
This whole thread borders on the
Maybe we should not answer those questions.
I suggested that a long time ago, and was run through the wringer because of it.
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I agree about the amount of information available these days. It's
unbelievable. When I started out an IBM manual was worth its weight in
gold almost.
Now the problem is wading through all the information. It can be
overwhelming. Also experience (someone mentioned a mentor) is hard to
find in
When I started out an IBM manual was worth its weight in
gold almost.
Now the problem is wading through all the information. It can be
overwhelming. Also experience (someone mentioned a mentor) is hard to
find in books.
I agree that a mentor can be a tremendous asset, however let's not
On 8 Sep 2007 11:50:26 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gerhard Adam) wrote:
As for being allowed to learn ... There has NEVER been
more information available, nor more readily available
than today. There is absolutely no excuse for anyone
Your reply to my last two paragraphs significantly
skews my position.
My comments weren't specifically directed to your statements, but rather to the
general sense that seems to permeate this thread.
That is the kind of education that is the responsibility of the companies;
it's almost
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Maybe we should not answer those questions.
I suggested that a long time ago, and was run through the
wringer because of it.
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I was fortunate when I was promoted to a sysprog job back in 1978 to have a
boss who was a very good mentor. Sometimes, when he wanted me to do a
project that he knew I didn't have any experience in, he would call me into
his office. He would show me the book I needed and the relevant
On Sat, 8 Sep 2007 16:43:44 -0400, Gerhard Adam wrote:
. In addition, the opportunity to learn from hands on was
significantly more restricted than it is today.
On the other hand, we had Program Logic Manuals and microfiche. I spent
many hours reading both so that I could understand the
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On Sat, 8 Sep 2007 16:43:44 -0400, Gerhard
I don't feel a whole lot of need to answer this, as TCBECB is not a
programming interface so you should not be relying on the contents of that
field or current system behavior in regard to that field.
But, for what it's worth, it is definitely the case that the normal system
processing of detach
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