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Kees Vernooy wrote first:
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My question is:
Does anybody share ATS units over sysplexes and does this work?
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Brian Peterson implemented ATS Star this way at St. Paul Fire and
Marine:
Are you on at least z/OS v1.7? If not, subchannel set 1 will not be
recognized which would explain why the aliases cannot be seen.
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These standalone 3590 drives killing me. Daily some kinda errors in 3590
drives which in turn affects the backup. I wish if cud have new Robo
operated Automated Tape Library...
Anyone hav an idea about this ?
I have 2 3590 Drives and 2 3490 Drives.
Is there any model available which will have
AFAIK,
EF means that to every PB (physical block) is added one cell.
Cell on 3390 is (AFAIR) 34 bytes.
It affect allocation of VSAM for the following CI sizes: 0.5 1.5 18 kB.
You just fall in the exception: DATA CISZ=18k.
Thats why you have less CI per CA when compared to non-EF.
Index parameters
The problem is, that the bytes we have to patch are on different byte
offsets with every release - so we also have to create new control cards
for AMASZAP for every release.
Can you put each thing that needs to be patched in a separate CSECT that is
bound with the rest of your program object?
We face the problem that some people can no longer update
a dataset from within a program. The access to the dataset
should be allowed, from what I understand, by ACF2's
implementation of the RACF PADS function.
I understand that a rule like this
$KEY(HLQ)
U.P0.- UID(*)
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There is a new series of videos posted to IBM TV that I found
interesting.
First, start here:
http://www.ibm.com/software/info/television/index.jsp
Click on the Select a topic button, then
Peter,
Can you put each thing that needs to be patched in a separate CSECT that is
bound with the rest of your program object?
I will give this a try.
Thank you,
Michael
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Subject: Flushing SMF Records from Buffer
Is there a way to flush SMF records from buffer to immediately
On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 14:21:03 +0100, Hunkeler Peter (KIUK 3)
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We face the problem that some people can no longer update
a dataset from within a program. The access to the dataset
should be allowed, from what I understand, by ACF2's
implementation of the RACF PADS function.
In a message dated 12/20/2007 5:22:42 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I seem to remember macro TRACKCAP (?) that would return the needed
information to you (or I may be confused and it had a different
function).
That would be TRKCALC, which is documented in the
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Subject: PR: IBM Beacon Award (for Business Partners) Nominations Now
Open
IBM is now accepting nominations for
Kees Vernooy wrote:
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Scott,
I can't access the post in the archives, maybe this link requires
administrator functions? I have not been able to find it through normal
searces for ATS STAR.
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I'm not an expert on LISTSERV functions, but I had to join the
IBM-MAIN-ARCHIVES list to be
From: David Andrews [EMAIL PROTECTED]
And clicking through tinyurl (or any proxy) provides yet *another* leak
for your browsing history to escape through.
Interestingly enough, my work internet filters block tinyurl. In order
to get to a page referenced by a tinyurl, I have to chain through
Jacky,
I am sorry if this sounds like a marketing plug, but have you considered a
small virtual-tape solution? With only 4 physical drives, you probably don't
have a need for a large robotic device; but CA-Vtape is a software
virtual-tape solution that can be scaled very small. This way, your
I seem to remember macro TRACKCAP (?)
TRKCALC
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 18:14:38 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re:
Max. number of physical blocks on 3390 track To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU At
12:29 -0500 on 12/20/2007, (IBM Mainframe Discussion List) wrote about Re:
Max. number of
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On the buy more side, I generally favor looking
first at application developer productivity, because that's where you'll
find significant IT cost. That's also where business benefits result, if
developers can deliver quicker and with higher quality. I get very
This has been cross posted to the MXG Listserv.
I have been following the recent thread about doing an analysis for zIIP
engines. However the suggestions in that thread used the ZIEUNITS
variable in the TYPE72GO observations. It is my understanding that to
get that value you need to have DB2
On 20 Dec 2007 13:11:28 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Walt Farrell)
wrote:
In response to that concern, TinyUrl allows you to specify that you want to
preview the long link before clicking through. You can specify that option
at tinyurl.com if you want.
In addition, anyone creating a TinyUrl link
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On 20 Dec 2007 13:11:28 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Walt Farrell)
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In response to that concern, TinyUrl allows you to specify that you
want to preview the long link before clicking through.
On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 14:39:40 +0100, R.S.
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Where can I find further information (some RTFM) ?
According to notes in a blocksize calc exec I wrote years ago, the track
layout and calculations are documented in sc26-4574 3390 dasd in an mvs
environment. I can't seem to
Greetings,
SMF records generally fall into two categories - event driven and time driven.
This means that the creator of the SMF record does so either based on a
specific event happening or by the passing of an interval of time that it has
setup. Most SMF interval record creators have a way
It shouldn't AFAIK. Is the update being allowed regardless or not
being allowed at all? If not at all, have you run a violation report?
Have you tried using the rule test facility? You can also do a
SECTRACE.
The update is not allowed since there is another rule (pure DSN rule?)
which
On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 15:51:14 -0500, Anne Lynn Wheeler
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there is also some gimick on how much is paid, it is currently 15.3% ...
but for standard salary workers ... the company has to pay half of it
over and above the salary ... and then there is the other half deducted
On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 16:39:32 +0100, Hunkeler Peter (KIUK 3)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The update is not allowed since there is another rule (pure DSN rule?)
which allows them only read access. Lack of the PADS-rule (what does
ACF2 call this after all?)
snip
Program pathing.
the DSN rule is
--snip
And the money I've paid into Social Security all my life will be returned in my
retirement with interest !
I'm so sure that will happen that I've already started to spend it.
-snip---
I don't know what
Ok, I have two comments/questions.
First, from what I see the link points to an ISPF replacement. That
might have helped a few years ago, but now most developers are not doing
their work on ISPF. They're using tools on Windows or Unix. I know
that we're mainframe bigots, but that's just the
Something tells me that IBM wouldn't approve too highly of those choices. You
should go through the formal process, whatever that is, and recommend them
though.
Eric Bielefeld
Thompson wrote:
I propose either T3 or PSI.
Regards,
Steve Thompson
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On 21 Dec 2007 07:52:12 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chase, John) wrote:
http://makeashorterlink.com/ says this now:
Make A Shorter Link has been acquired by TinyURL.com
TinyURL is committed to making sure that the short links made via Make a
Shorter Link, TinyURL, and similar services remain
Downloaded yesterday, uploaded and ran today. Great tool.
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I am not close to a manual ATM, but is there an exit that gets control for each
record written?
It is possible the original asker would want to utilize one if one were
available.
David Logan
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From: McKown, John [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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If anyone has worked in a company that has
successfully measured developer productivity I'd be interested in how they did
the measurement.
I don't know how successful it was, but years ago we used function points.
Rather than counting lines of code, we would count new functionality (or
modified
--snip---
It's a tax. The nature of taxes is that we may or may not good value
from the tax. It is designed to get money to old or infirmed from
current taxes.
-unsnip--
Piece of trivia here: We've had more than
BSC NJE is needed if you are communicating with a system which does not
support (or is not configured) SNA NJE. I currently have one with a VM RSCS
system. :-(
On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 14:53:49 +0100, R.S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Skip Robinson wrote:
Just to clarify: if GRS is part of a basic
Piece of trivia here: We've had more than 100 new taxes imposed on us since
1900. What happened in that time? GOVERNMENT HAPPENED!!!
Come to Canada.
There are few countries taxed as heavily as we are.
Great Britain is one of them.
Even our cities are allowed to impose additional taxes.
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Too
snip
Why not?
Intellectual property is what keeps a technology company running.
I'm more surprised, as others have said, that people are
astonished/annoyed/upset that IBM is keeping secrets, than the fact that IBM
has secrets.
Any large company has
I do not know how to turn them off, but in settings you can turn off the
ability to tab to them.
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric
Bielefeld
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 11:12 AM
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Subject: ISPF
I'd like to see them release information on what exists today.
In Canada, at least, once you release trade secrets, or intellectual property,
to the public domain, you cannot 're-protect' it.
In any litigation, you have to prove that you did due diligence to keep secrets.
I think the same
I've got something that is bugging me since I started here at Aviva. How do I
get rid of the Action Bar menus at the top of every ISPF screen? I know I've
done that before, but I can't think of the command. You would think it would
be in the settings panel, but I don't see it there.
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From: Hunkeler Peter , KIUK 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 10:41 AM
Subject: Re: ACF2 and PADS equivalent LIB rule?
It shouldn't AFAIK. Is the update being allowed regardless or not
being allowed at all?
On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 09:14:05 -0600, Kelman, Tom wrote:
This has been cross posted to the MXG Listserv.
I have been following the recent thread about doing an analysis for zIIP
engines. However the suggestions in that thread used the ZIEUNITS
variable in the TYPE72GO observations. It is my
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Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 11:12 AM
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Subject: ISPF Action Bar Menus
I've got something that is bugging me since I started here at
Aviva.
I would prefer to measure developers by inverting the cost of maintenance.
I don't want maintenance programmers to be productive, I want them to
be whithout anything to do ! ;)
_
Thomas Berg Specialist IT Utveckling Swedbank AB
Is it possibly in ISPF configuration table definition, exec ISPCCONF!
Regards
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On Dec 21, 2007 11:06 AM, Kelman, Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Ok, I have two comments/questions.
First, from what I see the link points to an ISPF replacement. That
might have helped a few years ago, but now most developers are not doing
their work on ISPF. They're using tools on Windows
To remove them from View and Edit, go into edit, then issue command
EDITSET. For other panels, they would need to be rebuilt without the
action bars.
Don Imbriale
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Try the
ISP.SISPEXEC data set.
Lizette
What library is ISPCCONF in, Joaquim?
Is it possibly in ISPF configuration table definition, exec ISPCCONF!
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On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 10:07:50 -0800, Edward Jaffe
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The list participants, using email clients that break long URLs,
should upgrade to a newer version of their client or, in the absence of
a newer client with acceptable functionality, change to an email client
without this
I've done some experimentation -- without claim that it has been 100%
exhaustive -- using my email client (Thunderbird) and I find there are
no problems with long URLs being wrapped, even in plain text messages!
I have seen others successfully posting very long URLs to IBM-MAIN as
well. For
Ted MacNEIL wrote:
I don't know how successful it was, but years ago we used function points.
Rather than counting lines of code, we would count new functionality (or
modified function).
Last millennium I was a contractor at a government agency that
used function points to evaluate programs
What library is ISPCCONF in, Joaquim?
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Sent: Fri 12/21/2007 6:25 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: ISPF Action Bar Menus
Is it possibly in ISPF configuration table definition, exec ISPCCONF!
Yep, excellent presentation, IMO.
Regards
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Ed Gould wrote:
Ed, I agree with your entry. I am puzzled though. I believe the last
time we went through this discussion that if the sender puts the
(beginning and a at the end everything should work. Was that not
true or only in some cases?
I thought I had followed that advice when I
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Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 1:25 PM
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What library is ISPCCONF in, Joaquim?
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Don,
Thanks. That got rid of the action bars from Edit, but I thought there was a
way to get rid of them from all ISPF panels. I certainly don't want to do it
in ISRCONFG, as I only want to get rid of them for my session.
I could have swore I put a note in my SCRIPT.TEXT file long ago when
In ISP.SISPEXEC, It has a lot of useful information settings in the
configurator and allows us to build a usermod at the end
Regards
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z/OS System Programmer
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On Dec 21, 2007, at 12:07 PM, Edward Jaffe wrote:
I've done some experimentation -- without claim that it has been
100% exhaustive -- using my email client (Thunderbird) and I find
there are no problems with long URLs being wrapped, even in plain
text messages!
I have seen others
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Edward Jaffe
Mark Zelden wrote:
Unfortunately one of the things that breaks long URLs is
posting from
the web interface... which is how I monitor and post to
this list from the office.
While typing text
Edward Jaffe wrote:
Mark Zelden wrote:
http://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/cgi-bin/ssialias?infotype=ansubtype=caappname=Demonstrationhtmlfid=897/ENUS207-175
In the message I received, the above URL was perfectly in-tact. No
wrap. I clicked on it and I was taken to the correct web page. I
Mark Zelden wrote:
Unfortunately one of the things that breaks long URLs is posting from the
web interface... which is how I monitor and post to this list from the office.
While typing text into the window wraps at the end of the window, pasting a
long URL into the window seems to work at least
On Dec 21, 2007, at 10:57 AM, Rick Fochtman wrote:
snip
Why not?
Intellectual property is what keeps a technology company running.
I'm more surprised, as others have said, that people are
astonished/annoyed/upset that IBM is keeping secrets, than the
FWIW, Eudora handles all this just fine.
Michael Stack
At 01:11 PM 12/21/2007, you wrote:
Edward Jaffe wrote:
Mark Zelden wrote:
http://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/cgi-bin/ssialias?infotype=ansubtype=caappname=Demonstrationhtmlfid=897/ENUS207-175
In the message I received, the above URL was
On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 11:11:13 -0800, Edward Jaffe
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Edward Jaffe wrote:
Mark Zelden wrote:
http://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/cgi-bin/ssialias?infotype=ansubtype=caappname=Demonstrationhtmlfid=897/ENUS207-175
In the message I received, the above URL was perfectly
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ok, I have two comments/questions. First, from what
I see the link points to an ISPF replacement.
SimpList isn't an ISPF replacement but rather an add-on product that increases
productivity for people who works in ISPF environments. Think of it as
something like
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Behalf Of Ed Gould
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 1:38 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
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SNIPAGE
Now that Big Blue is pretty much alone in the mainframe processor
market,
The quoted long URL was also perfectly in-tact.
Yes, I received everything in one piece also.
The only thing that didn't arrive intact was the word intact. ;-)
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 11:11:13 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re:
Use of TinyURLs - Unnecessary? To:
Phil,
Thank you so much for posting the document. It was a long read but,
IMO worth the time to do so.
Ed
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On Dec 20, 2007, at 6:31 AM, Peter Relson wrote:
The conclusions in this thread are correct.
Internal structures keep data for validation. If you update the
program
object in any way other than by using supported interfaces, the
entire risk
is yours. In the case mentioned, you broke the
On 21 Dec 2007 11:41:16 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ed Gould)
wrote:
Interesting option there. I briefly browsed through Phil's online
copy of the suit. One of the facts IBM alleges (IIRC ) or was that
PSI (it was a long read) but one of the parties said that IBM made
this public at one time
Yes.
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Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 3:15 AM
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Are you on at least z/OS v1.7? If not, subchannel set 1 will not be
Second, how do you measure developer productivity?
Some people have mentioned counting lines of code or functions points, but IMO
that's only part of the picture. For example, SimpList increases the
productivity of almost everyone who works in an ISPF environment
You changed the question.
On 21 Dec 2007 11:03:47 -0800,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Edward Jaffe) wrote:
With an email client that understands hwo to properly handle URLs, no
extra effort is required. You simply post in the URL -- whether long or
short -- and it is not wrapped. For example, this should (hopefully) not
wrap:
Thanks Brian. Since I'm going to be one of the few people at work on
Monday :-( I should have a nice quiet day to peruse this information and
apply it.
Tom Kelman
Commerce Bank of Kansas City
(816) 760-7632
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Chase, John wrote:
I was busted when I got it. Of course, Outhouse mangled it further
The IBM-MAIN archives, and Mark Zelden, using the LISTSERV web
interface, and Mike Stack, using X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora
Version 7.1.0.9, and J R, using whatever mail agent he is using, and
On Dec 21, 2007 3:51 PM, Ted MacNEIL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Second, how do you measure developer productivity?
Some people have mentioned counting lines of code or functions points,
but IMO that's only part of the picture. For example, SimpList increases the
productivity of almost
Ed, the IBM-Main web reader works also just fine.
Roland
Edward Jaffe wrote:
Mark Zelden wrote:
http://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/cgi-bin/ssialias?
infotype=ansubtype=caappname=Demonstrationhtmlfid=897/ENUS207-175
In the message I received, the above URL was perfectly in-tact. No
wrap. I
True, but some of the most time-consuming tasks that a developer has to do
have nothing to do with writing lines of code.
I'm not disputing that.
What I am disputing is expanding the sample set to everybody who touches a TSO
keyboard.
The question was developers.
Not all the others.
BTW, the
On Fri, 2007-12-21 at 10:07 -0800, Edward Jaffe wrote:
The list participants, using email clients that break long URLs,
should upgrade to a newer version of their client or, in the absence of
a newer client with acceptable functionality, change to an email client
without this problem.
Eric Chevalier wrote:
On 21 Dec 2007 11:03:47 -0800,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Edward Jaffe) wrote:
With an email client that understands hwo to properly handle URLs, no
extra effort is required. You simply post in the URL -- whether long or
short -- and it is not wrapped. For example, this
Job A on system A issues static SQL query to DB2 on system B. Which is
faster:
1) DDF call to DB2 on system B via APPC over FICON CTC
or
2) Local call to DB2 member of datasharing group w/ FICON CF links?
Considering the overhead of DRDA protocol and independent enclave
Don Leahy said:
some of the most time-consuming tasks that a developer has to do have
nothing to do with writing lines of code.
Ted MacNeil said:
I'm not disputing that. What I am disputing is expanding the sample set to
everybody who touches a TSO keyboard. The question was developers. Not
They are defined in the panel definitions, and I don't think they can
be deleted without redefining the panel. They are defined at specific
places in the panel, and with specific functions. This might be a
question for the ISPF list.
Doug
At 12:32 21-12-07, you wrote:
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On Dec 21, 2007, at 1:58 PM, Thompson, Steve wrote:
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Ed Gould
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 1:38 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: It keeps getting uglier
SNIPAGE
Now that Big Blue is
At 13:39 -0600 on 12/21/2007, Michael Stack wrote about Re: Use of
TinyURLs - Unnecessary?:
FWIW, Eudora handles all this just fine.
It does NOT unfortunately correctly handle URLs that are
intentionally split with a blank at the end of the split part and
delsp=yes used to flag this to
On Dec 21, 2007, at 3:18 PM, Eric Chevalier wrote:
On 21 Dec 2007 11:03:47 -0800,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Edward Jaffe) wrote:
With an email client that understands hwo to properly handle URLs, no
extra effort is required. You simply post in the URL -- whether
long or
short -- and it is not
On Dec 21, 2007, at 4:07 PM, Edward Jaffe wrote:
E
After all, whatever one might think of Ed G's technical contributions
to this group, or his opinions of IBM, I don't believe he is at all
malicious!
Not malicious. But, he did admit to manually altering his URLs (by
surrounding them with
On Dec 20, 2007, at 6:31 AM, Peter Relson wrote:
The conclusions in this thread are correct.
Internal structures keep data for validation. If you update the
program
object in any way other than by using supported interfaces, the
entire risk
is yours. In the case mentioned, you broke the
There appears to be a sever sending messages twice to the IBM-MAIN
server tonight. I have gotten back at least 10 rejected postings as
duplicates.
Is anyone else experiencing this?
Ed
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On Dec 21, 2007, at 1:05 PM, Edward Jaffe wrote:
Ed Gould wrote:
Ed, I agree with your entry. I am puzzled though. I believe the
last time we went through this discussion that if the sender puts
the (beginning and a at the end everything should work.
Was that not true or only in some
Ed Gould wrote:
OK I will do so from now on but will take your word as definitive. I
will no longer put the per your authority.
Don't take my word for anything. Send yourself plain text (not HTML)
email containing long URLs. Then you can see the effects of various
settings for yourself
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