Re: Topic denotation suggestion (a Virtual Darren)

2008-01-14 Thread Ted MacNEIL
And end Friday topics on friday 23:59 hrs. Why do we have Friday topics? They go beyond Friday. I know I have a tendency to respond to OT topics, but can't we just drop them and use this as an IBM Mainframe Discussion List? - Too busy driving to stop for gas!

Re: Topic denotation suggestion (a Virtual Darren)

2008-01-14 Thread Vernooy, C.P. - SPLXM
tony babonas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Let's start marking our subject lines On Topic in order to identify the few posts that actually relate to IBM mainframe software and topics. ;-D And end Friday topics on friday 23:59 hrs. Kees.

Re: Sifting the chaff

2008-01-14 Thread Jan MOEYERSONS
On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 08:01:14 +1000, Shane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2008-01-11 at 15:31 -0600, McKown, John wrote: I can understand Anton's request. Nobody else at my company is willing to shift through the noise on IBM-MAIN to get to the good stuff anymore. I am. C'mon John, it

Re: Topic denotation suggestion (a Virtual Darren)

2008-01-14 Thread Vernooy, C.P. - SPLXM
Ted MacNEIL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:890574714-1200299005-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-6776 [EMAIL PROTECTED]... And end Friday topics on friday 23:59 hrs. Why do we have Friday topics? They go beyond Friday. I know I have a tendency to respond to OT topics, but

Re: LSQA orphan storage

2008-01-14 Thread Barbara Nitz
Peter, If there is an IBM problem with LSQA cleanup in an initiator, then IBM in all likelihood will not wash their hands of it. I beg to differ slightly. I had reported problems that were NOT fixed by IBM. They were deep in DFP code and I was told that fixing them would be too big of a risk

Re: Got DSN3107I FROM REXX CONSOLE SYSCMD command

2008-01-14 Thread Walt Farrell
On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 20:56:13 -0600, Yan Ying [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for you reply.What confused me is I can send MVS/JES2 cmd in my rexx program and get the return msg.The pgm look like that : CMD = '$D SPL' CONSPROF SOLDISP(NO) SOLNUM(800) CONSOLE ACTIVATE NAME(DALCMD) CONSOLE

Re: [DB2-L] Got DSN3107I FROM REXX CONSOLE SYSCMD command

2008-01-14 Thread Lizette Koehler
YY - You need to understand that there are two security checks going on. For MVS commands there is one set of checks. For DB2 Commands there is a different setup. I would contact my security administrator and ask them how the DB2 command you are trying to issue is handled. You also need to

Trouble opening specific volumes with OPEN TYPE=J

2008-01-14 Thread Tom Quarendon
I'm trying to write some code that performs random access I/O on a multi volume dataset using a technique similar to that described in chapter 7 of DFSMSdfp Advanced Services, and am having mixed results. The code all works just fine, so long as the dataset I'm dealing with exists already, or

Re: Topic denotation suggestion (a Virtual Darren)

2008-01-14 Thread Van Dalsen, Herbie
And end Friday topics on Friday 23:59 hrs Would that be CET GMT ET Very difficult to end a topic until everyone had his say about the topic, Maybe what needs to happen is topics like this should be limited to 3 / 4 entries per lister... Also if a topic veers off the original path... Add

CICS Wiki news.

2008-01-14 Thread Corneel Booysen
A happy and prosperous New Year to everybody! Here is some Wiki news: http://cicswiki.org/cicswiki1/index.php?title=Main_Page 1. A new fresh Main Page view will hopefully help in navigation. - I added the CICS 3.2 Info Center in the sidebar simply because I always seem to be looking for the URL

Re: z/PoO (was: Radix Partition Trees)

2008-01-14 Thread Don Leahy
On Jan 11, 2008 6:47 PM, Graeme Gibson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Arrrgh! Cancel that, it's just a PDF version! Here's SA22-7832-04 : http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/download/A2278324.pdf?DT=20060213202835XKS=DZ9ZBK05 True, but at least is is equipped with the

Re: Data Erasure Products

2008-01-14 Thread Van Dalsen, Herbie
My question on this topic is the following... If you are replacing your shark with a new one, once the data is migrated, would it not be possible to go to the ESS console and delete all your disk, and reformat them for opens stems, and create 100's of 1.2m disks, leaving the ESS format software to

Re: Sub-CEC Reports

2008-01-14 Thread Dean Montevago
Point well taken. I wanted to automate the sending to prevent oops, I forgot I would be copied so I could review it. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 3:29 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU

Re: SMP/E and why not.

2008-01-14 Thread Tom Marchant
On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 12:53:03 -0600, Ed Gould wrote: A good company lets the customers decide and goes with a majority. The current Major software vendors all use SMP/e(it took years of battling to get them that way THERE is a reason). The few that don't are not worth the effort to even look at.

Re: SMP/E and why not.

2008-01-14 Thread Tom Marchant
On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 23:25:29 -0500, Pinnacle wrote: Are you guys willing to pay the cost in DASD to keep every single level of every single module in the potential chain of a RESTORE? Your example is simplistic, and does not take into consideration the real world cost of doing what you advocate.

Re: Topic denotation suggestion (a Virtual Darren)

2008-01-14 Thread Vernooy, C.P. - SPLXM
Van Dalsen, Herbie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ... And end Friday topics on Friday 23:59 hrs Would that be CET GMT ET Well, make it monday morning, any timezone. If needed the subject can be changed to an on-topic item. Very difficult to end a topic

Re: zOS 1.9 IEANUC01

2008-01-14 Thread Mark Zelden
On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 22:27:51 +, Ted MacNEIL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What would you suggest as a means of making sure that customers use the proper release of the binder? I cannot think of anything stronger than documenting it an making customers read the funny manual. Of course, I also

DFSORT question

2008-01-14 Thread McKown, John
This just came up. Which is better: to allocate more, smaller, SORTWKnn DD statements, or fewer, larger, SORTWKnn DD statements, or does it not really matter. By better, I mean: Which will result in a shorter run time?. The question came up due to a huge sort this weekend. DFSORT wanted to

Re: SMP/E and why not.

2008-01-14 Thread Mark Zelden
On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 17:55:27 -0500, Robert A. Rosenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 22:58 -0800 on 01/04/2008, shai hess wrote about Re: SMP/E and why not.: My biggest gripe with the design of SMP/E is the use of a RESTORE design that will back-out a PTF (or set of PTFs) to get back to the

How to retrieve the terminal IP address from CICS

2008-01-14 Thread Al Cole
Hello, I am working on a project where I need to obtain the user's terminal I.P. address from with in CICS. I can see in the CICS CSMT log that the I.P. address is displayed when the terminal is autoinstalled. Could someone suggest how I could obtain the terminal I.P address. thanks Alfred

Re: DFSORT question

2008-01-14 Thread Mark Zelden
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 08:30:08 -0600, McKown, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This just came up. Which is better: to allocate more, smaller, SORTWKnn DD statements, or fewer, larger, SORTWKnn DD statements, or does it not really matter. By better, I mean: Which will result in a shorter run time?.

Re: DFSORT question

2008-01-14 Thread Reda, John
John, Sometimes it is possible to use INREC to reduce the size of the record that gets sorted and written to SORTWK. If this is possible, you may be able to complete your sort with your existing SORTWK allocations. John Reda Software Services Manager Syncsort Inc. 201-930-8260 -Original

Re: DFSORT question

2008-01-14 Thread Vernooy, C.P. - SPLXM
McKown, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED].. . This just came up. Which is better: to allocate more, smaller, SORTWKnn DD statements, or fewer, larger, SORTWKnn DD statements, or does it not really matter. By better, I mean: Which will result in a shorter run time?.

Re: Data Erasure Products

2008-01-14 Thread Ron Hawkins
Herbie, A format as you describe will leave the data old data unreadable, and that will probably suffice in most cases. However it is not actually shredded, and the prior contents of the drives can be recovered in the best James Bond tradition - art becomes life. If your company requires secure

Re: Got DSN3107I FROM REXX CONSOLE SYSCMD command

2008-01-14 Thread Mike Bell
I suspect DB2 needs SYSOPER or SYSADM DB2 authorization. This is DB2 security and it is maintained by DB2. Talk to the DB2 install sysprog's. My memory was console commands came in with userid SYSOPR but there are other circumstances that the userid is passed. Mike On Jan 13, 2008 8:56 PM, Yan

Re: DFSORT question

2008-01-14 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Betten Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 8:58 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: DFSORT question There can be a slight decrease in performance when you increase the number of

Re: DFSORT question

2008-01-14 Thread David Betten
There can be a slight decrease in performance when you increase the number of sortworks. Going from say 32 to 48 or 64 probably won't have a major impact. However, jumping to something like 128 or 255, you will see a more noticable impact. If you want to send me the sysout from the sort, I can

Re: SMP/E HOLDs: ACTION vs. IPL

2008-01-14 Thread Marna WALLE
Chip Kawalski, Level 3 Service Specialist, IBM Poughkeepsie responds: After some discussion with the teams owning the APARs/PTFs that you pointed out, here's some additional information on what happened and what's being done to correct things: OA19565.UA34181: A number of years ago, we had

Re: Topic denotation suggestion (a Virtual Darren)

2008-01-14 Thread Arthur T.
On 14 Jan 2008 05:30:50 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main (Message-ID:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Van Dalsen, Herbie) wrote: Also if a topic veers off the original path... Add the OT: somewhere in it so that the conscientious that does not want the noise can kill it with a

Re: Data Erasure Products

2008-01-14 Thread Warner Mach
Mark Jacobs wrote: If you want more or less certified method, you need to buy something. Degausser is most certified, but it destroys your disks. g Somewhat tangential to the issue of mainframe drives, it is interesting that, for ATA PC drives, there is another alternative. See:

Extra Session and the clock symbols

2008-01-14 Thread Lizette Koehler
I have a client using EXTRA and they are confused by the two clock symobls that can show up at the bottom of the screen. I have been looking through EXTRA Help with little luck. Does anyone remember what the clock-symbol is called in the documentation? I know that one clock X clock-symbol is

Re: How to retrieve the terminal IP address from CICS

2008-01-14 Thread Roberto Halais
Check the archives I think it has been heavily discussed here. On 1/14/08, Al Cole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I am working on a project where I need to obtain the user's terminal I.P. address from with in CICS. I can see in the CICS CSMT log that the I.P. address is displayed when the

IBM-Main future options - was Topic denotation suggestion (a Virtual Darren)

2008-01-14 Thread Aaron Walker
I've always thought that a slashdot-type interface (http://slashdot.org/) would be much more useful, especially in sifting out the chaff. Somebody with some time, hardware and bandwidth could adopt/adapt the slash code (open source), call it Ready Prompt **, and the future would be your

Re: How to retrieve the terminal IP address from CICS

2008-01-14 Thread Chase, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Al Cole Hello, I am working on a project where I need to obtain the user's terminal I.P. address from with in CICS. I can see in the CICS CSMT log that the I.P. address is displayed when the terminal is

Re: SMP/E and why not.

2008-01-14 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 01/05/2008 at 02:42 AM, R.S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I can recall a situation that sysprog (bad one) has cloned several SMP/E environments and nobody knew (including him!) which one is the correct one. I met it at leas three times. That's not a problem with SMP, but

Re: SMP/E and why not.

2008-01-14 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 01/04/2008 at 12:38 AM, Shai Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I decide that for now it is better, faster and more reliable (you can make error when you code the SMP/E) to send the XMI load library for installation because it is small, it can have a lot of depandency

Re: Computer Science Education: Where Are the Software Engineers of Tomorrow?

2008-01-14 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 01/11/2008 at 01:22 PM, Jon Brock [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Anyway, I'm not so sure I hold to the it's just another language mindset as much as I used to. It seems to me that there are important differences between the way you conceive of and design a program in

Re: Computer Science Education: Where Are the Software Engineers of Tomorrow?

2008-01-14 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 01/11/2008 at 06:41 PM, Ted MacNEIL [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I have always believed that there are three mind-sets. Then you need to learn more languages. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see

Re: Computer Science Education: Where Are the Software Engineers of Tomorrow?

2008-01-14 Thread Ted MacNEIL
A good APL programmer thinks in terms of manipulating entire arrays. I always had fun with it in University, but I only worked with it at one company (1981). I still have Iverson's book. A friend of mine used to work for I.P. Sharp on the development team for their version of APL. The service

Encrypted transfers to/from vendors

2008-01-14 Thread Patrick O'Keefe
2nd attempt to send a posting that went into the bit bucket. I assume there are some shops with policies that forbid transfers across the web between z/OS mainframes and external sites unless the data is encrypted. How do such shops send data to/from MVS (and other vendors)? I know IBMs

Re: Trouble opening specific volumes with OPEN TYPE=J

2008-01-14 Thread Tom Quarendon
I haven't and maybe that what my problem is. The documentation as far as I can see makes no mention of that, at least not in the example in chapter 7 of DFSMSdfp Advanced Services. Do you mean the JFCVSL bit in JFCBTSDM? You mean that the problem is that it doesn't realise that I've added a

Re: z/PoO (was: Radix Partition Trees)

2008-01-14 Thread Edward Jaffe
Don Leahy wrote: True, but at least is is equipped with the Advanced Linguistic Search capability, which makes PDF a much more tolerable format. For many years now, those of us that routinely discuss assembler language programming and related matters have been posting links to various

Re: Computer Science Education: Where Are the Software Engineers of Tomorrow?

2008-01-14 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 5:53 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Computer Science Education: Where Are the Software Engineers of Tomorrow? In

Re: Trouble opening specific volumes with OPEN TYPE=J

2008-01-14 Thread Gerhard Postpischil
Tom Quarendon wrote: So I guess my question is, is OPEN TYPE=J specifying the JFCBVLSQ field supposed to work on DISP=NEW datasets? Has anyone had success with this? You make no mention of changing anything else in the JFCB. Did you set the volume serial changed bit? Gerhard Postpischil

Re: Topic denotation suggestion (a Virtual Darren)

2008-01-14 Thread Chase, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Arthur T. On 14 Jan 2008 05:30:50 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main Van Dalsen, Herbie wrote: Also if a topic veers off the original path... Add the OT: somewhere in it so that the conscientious that does not

Re: Computer Science Education: Where Are the Software Engineers of Tomorrow?

2008-01-14 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 10:22 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Computer Science Education: Where Are the Software Engineers of Tomorrow? [snip] far back). I

Re: Encrypted transfers to/from vendors

2008-01-14 Thread Havelock, Glenn A
With CA-XCOM, Pat, we transfer between mainframes using SNA or TCP/IP and encrypt using 'OPEN SSL' Regards, Glenn Glenn Havelock, CA Sr Consultant, Ewing, NJ USA Cellular phone 908-398-7726 Office phone 609-583-9481 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe

Re: Encrypted transfers to/from vendors

2008-01-14 Thread Aaron Walker
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 10:25:27 -0600, Patrick O'Keefe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know IBMs Boulder site (testcase ?) supports HTTPS transfers. Do they also support FTPS or SFTP? And what about IBM's emea site (which some parts of IBM greatly prefer over Boulder)? Does it support any kind of

Re: Encrypted transfers to/from vendors

2008-01-14 Thread Patrick O'Keefe
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 10:48:19 -0600, Aaron Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... If you are sending data to ECuRep, it supports HTTP, HTTPS, FTP, FTPS, SFTP, and email. ... Hoo boy! I sure missed that (and so did everyone else at my shop). I'll spread the word. ECuRep and emea are the same

Re: DFSORT question

2008-01-14 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ITURIEL DO NASCIMENTO NETO Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 10:42 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: RES: DFSORT question John, In the past i've used DYNAUTO=IGNWKDD parameter of

Re: Extra Session and the clock symbols

2008-01-14 Thread Thompson, Steve
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lizette Koehler Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 9:50 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Extra Session and the clock symbols I have a client using EXTRA and they are confused by the two clock

Re: Encrypted transfers to/from vendors

2008-01-14 Thread Mark Jacobs
Patrick O'Keefe wrote: 2nd attempt to send a posting that went into the bit bucket. I assume there are some shops with policies that forbid transfers across the web between z/OS mainframes and external sites unless the data is encrypted. How do such shops send data to/from MVS (and other

Re: Trouble opening specific volumes with OPEN TYPE=J

2008-01-14 Thread Gerhard Postpischil
Tom Quarendon wrote: Do you mean the JFCVSL bit in JFCBTSDM? You mean that the problem is that it doesn't realise that I've added a new volume and hence is opening the wrong one? I don't have access to my docs right now, otherwise I would have specified the bit, but JFCVSL sounds correct.

RES: DFSORT question

2008-01-14 Thread ITURIEL DO NASCIMENTO NETO
John, In the past i've used DYNAUTO=IGNWKDD parameter of ICEMAC, and it works like a charm (except when input is in large TAPE files and you don't have RMM). With this parameter on, DFSORT ignores what have been specified in JCL (FREEing it) and calculates the space amount necessary to run,

Re: Encrypted transfers to/from vendors

2008-01-14 Thread Patrick O'Keefe
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 11:28:49 -0500, Havelock, Glenn A [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With CA-XCOM, Pat, we transfer between mainframes using SNA or TCP/IP and encrypt using 'OPEN SSL' ... But I suspect I wouldn't have much luck requesting IBM or Sterling Commerce (for instance) to install

Re: Extra Session and the clock symbols

2008-01-14 Thread Lizette Koehler
Thanks. That makes sense. Lizette I have a client using EXTRA and they are confused by the two clock symobls that can show up at the bottom of the screen. I have been looking through EXTRA Help with little luck. Does anyone remember what the clock-symbol is called in the documentation? I

Re: Data Erasure Products

2008-01-14 Thread Van Dalsen, Herbie
Thanks Ron, I was hoping that the formatting of the ESS could do that for me. Not sure what's going to happen to the 3590 carts... But then that is another story altogether... Herbie -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron

Re: Encrypted transfers to/from vendors

2008-01-14 Thread Aaron Walker
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 10:58:05 -0600, Patrick O'Keefe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... If you are sending data to ECuRep, it supports HTTP, HTTPS, FTP, FTPS, SFTP, and email. ... Hoo boy! I sure missed that (and so did everyone else at my shop). I'll spread the word. ECuRep and emea are the same

Re: Encrypted transfers to/from vendors

2008-01-14 Thread Patrick O'Keefe
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 10:48:19 -0600, Aaron Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... If you are sending data to ECuRep, it supports HTTP, HTTPS, FTP, FTPS, SFTP, and email. ... Is there an HTTP or HTTPS download equivalent to http://www.ecurep.ibm.com/app/upload ? An equivalent to the /fromibm/

Re: Encrypted transfers to/from vendors

2008-01-14 Thread Aaron Walker
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 11:29:35 -0600, Patrick O'Keefe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... If you are sending data to ECuRep, it supports HTTP, HTTPS, FTP, FTPS, SFTP, and email. ... Is there an HTTP or HTTPS download equivalent to http://www.ecurep.ibm.com/app/upload ? An equivalent to the /fromibm/

Re: SMP/E and why not.

2008-01-14 Thread Rick Fochtman
---snip I can recall a situation that sysprog (bad one) has cloned several SMP/E environments and nobody knew (including him!) which one is the correct one. I met it at leas three times. -unsnip-- Here is a situation where

Re: Computer Science Education: Where Are the Software Engineers of Tomorrow?

2008-01-14 Thread Rick Fochtman
---snip- My position is that the CS department should be teaching multiple languages in the first semester, carefully chosen to offer variety in the semantics and syntax. The intent should be to teach the Perl mantra

Re: Computer Science Education: Where Are the Software Engineers of Tomorrow?

2008-01-14 Thread Gary Green
From before I ever got into programming, I always thought APL was real programming language! It even looked like one. However, I only got to play with it a bit back in the late 70's. I was impressed that one could replace an entire Cobol program with one or two APL strings. On Mon Jan

Re: RMM export import?

2008-01-14 Thread Mike Wood
Jeffrey, If you really are wanting to move the volume from one rmm to another, rather than simply be able to read the data from production, we document a split/merge process for the CDS in the DFSMSrmm Primer redbook. As an alternative, I know of some installations that use a Rexx procedure to

Re: Computer Science Education: Where Are the Software Engineers of Tomorrow?

2008-01-14 Thread Ted MacNEIL
From before I ever got into programming, I always thought APL was real programming language! It even looked like one. The only problem I had with APL was that it was easier to re-write than debug. Glad I learned modular programming (all the fad in the mid-1970's). - Too busy driving to stop

Re: Worst Predictions of All Time

2008-01-14 Thread Rick Fochtman
--snip- In the late 1980's, Gartner predicted that any company that didn't move from the mainframe to client/server would not be in business for very long. In the mid-to-late 1990's, the same analyst said that companies were having problems migrating to

Re: Computer Science Education: Where Are the Software Engineers of Tomorrow?

2008-01-14 Thread Ted MacNEIL
I agree, in general, but I would insert one caveat: some form of assembler language should be included, as well as a variety of higher-level languages. That's the way it was at UWaterloo. But, I didn't learn IBM Assembler until 3rd year. It was Honeywell in first year. If I were to set up a

Re: Worst Predictions of All Time

2008-01-14 Thread Rick Fochtman
--snip- WAAAy back in the 70's and 80's I vaguely remember they had a decent reputation. Does anyone know what happened to them? --unsnip- They forgot that a closed mouth gathers no feet.

Re: Encrypted transfers to/from vendors

2008-01-14 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 01/14/2008 at 10:25 AM, Patrick O'Keefe [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I assume there are some shops with policies that forbid transfers across the web I doubt it; such a policy would accomplish nothing. I suspect that a lot of shops have policies that restrict all

Re: File Transfer conundrum

2008-01-14 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 01/09/2008 at 10:13 PM, Bruce Baxter [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: As stated by another poster, there doesn't seem to be any way to get it to honor this and strip it off on the final FTP. You don't want FTP to strip it off, you want FTP to transmit the data intact. The

Re: Got DSN3107I FROM REXX CONSOLE SYSCMD command

2008-01-14 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 01/10/2008 at 01:56 AM, Yan Ying [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I use a REXX to inquire DB2 BUFFERPOOL detail status.I use CONSPROF / CONSOLES / CONSOLE SYSCMD command to get the info.But I can only get msg DSN3107I. DSN3107I - DSN3EC0X -COMMAND REJECT.REQUESTOR NOT

Re: Trouble opening specific volumes with OPEN TYPE=J

2008-01-14 Thread Rick Fochtman
---snip--- I'm trying to write some code that performs random access I/O on a multi volume dataset using a technique similar to that described in chapter 7 of DFSMSdfp Advanced Services, and am having mixed results. The code all works just fine, so

Re: File Transfer conundrum

2008-01-14 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:20:37 -0500, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: What happens if you use struc? IIRC, STRU R fails with a z/OS client and a non-IBM server, which IIRC was the OP's required configuration. Kobayashi Alternative? -- gil

Re: SMP/E and why not.

2008-01-14 Thread Rick Fochtman
snip A good company lets the customers decide and goes with a majority. The current Major software vendors all use SMP/e(it took years of battling to get them that way THERE is a reason). The few that don't are not worth the effort to even look at.

Re: Worst Predictions of All Time

2008-01-14 Thread Ted MacNEIL
All too often, a senior manager will get a fixation on a particular platform, ignoring all others, to the ultimate detriment of his company. The platform should be the last thing determined; NOT the first. RULE 1: Determine the application need RULE 2: Keep the data as close to the application

Re: Computer Science Education: Where Are the Software Engineers of Tomorrow?

2008-01-14 Thread Edward Jaffe
Rick Fochtman wrote: TMTOWTDI. --unsnip- ? http://www.greythumb.org/blog/index.php?/archives/7-T.M.T.O.W.T.D.I..html -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 Los Angeles, CA 90045 310-338-0400 x318 [EMAIL

Re: Computer Science Education: Where Are the Software Engineers of Tomorrow?

2008-01-14 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Fochtman Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 11:57 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Computer Science Education: Where Are the Software Engineers of Tomorrow?

Re: Worst Predictions of All Time

2008-01-14 Thread Ted MacNEIL
They forgot that a closed mouth gathers no feet. I NEVER really believd them! I used to kid a friend of mine (re: dark sied) when he went to work for them in the early 1990's. But, he went for one reason. A buck and a half US (when the USD was worth something compared to the CAD). - Too busy

Re: DFSORT question

2008-01-14 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Fochtman Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 12:30 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: DFSORT question snip-- This just came up. Which

Re: z/PoO (was: Radix Partition Trees)

2008-01-14 Thread Tom Marchant
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 08:13:47 -0800, Edward Jaffe wrote: For many years now, those of us that routinely discuss assembler language programming and related matters have been posting links to various sections in the z/Architecture Principles of Operation via the excellent web-based reader provided

Cost for CA digital signature?

2008-01-14 Thread Chase, John
Hi, All, Anybody have a ballpark figure for having one of the recognized Certificate Authorities sign a server cert? TIA, -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL

Re: DFSORT question

2008-01-14 Thread Rick Fochtman
snip-- This just came up. Which is better: to allocate more, smaller, SORTWKnn DD statements, or fewer, larger, SORTWKnn DD statements, or does it not really matter. By better, I mean: Which will result in a shorter run time?. The question came up due to

IEBGENER is BROKEN

2008-01-14 Thread Thompson, Steve
Try to copy a VB 125 to a VB 140 and see what happens. Then go read APAR OZ72277. Make sure you do not have a mouth full of some beverage. Regards, Steve Thompson -- All opinions expressed by me are my own and may not necessarily reflect those of my employer. --

SHARE needs your help in Orlando!

2008-01-14 Thread Norman Hollander on h-WiZ.biz
Fellow IBM-Main Members- SHARE in Orlando, FL, is just around the corner. It will be held at the Coronado Springs Resort in Orlando, FL, on February 24th through 29th, 2008. A great deal of planning activities has occurred since our last SHARE, and SHARE in Orlando promises to be one

Re: Encrypted transfers to/from vendors

2008-01-14 Thread Patrick O'Keefe
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:12:35 -0500, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... I assume there are some shops with policies that forbid transfers across the web I doubt it; such a policy would accomplish nothing. I suspect that a lot of shops have policies that restrict all

Re: DFSORT question

2008-01-14 Thread Ed Gould
On Jan 14, 2008, at 9:20 AM, McKown, John wrote: -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Betten Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 8:58 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: DFSORT question There can be a slight decrease in

Re: zOS 1.9 IEANUC01

2008-01-14 Thread Mark Jacobs
Mark Zelden wrote: On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 10:09:46 -0500, Mark Jacobs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use the same SMPE procedure to run the RECEIVE and then the APPLY. If the level of SMPE in the steplib'd MIGLIB is different than the level of SMPE in production the RECEIVE fails as I described

Originating Loadlib

2008-01-14 Thread Ward, Mike S
Hello all, I was looking in the archives for something that would print on the job log what load library the executing program was called from. I noticed a reference to showmvs on how you could find out what library was used. I was wondering if anyone has come up with an exit, or a switch to set

Re: IEBGENER is BROKEN

2008-01-14 Thread Chase, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Thompson, Steve Try to copy a VB 125 to a VB 140 and see what happens. Then go read APAR OZ72277. Make sure you do not have a mouth full of some beverage. The resulting torrent of illogic [is] most amusing. Why

Re: zOS 1.9 IEANUC01

2008-01-14 Thread Mark Zelden
On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 10:09:46 -0500, Mark Jacobs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use the same SMPE procedure to run the RECEIVE and then the APPLY. If the level of SMPE in the steplib'd MIGLIB is different than the level of SMPE in production the RECEIVE fails as I described earlier but the steplib is

Re: SHARE needs your help in Orlando!

2008-01-14 Thread Linda Carroll
I would like to be a session chair. I've been a session chair at CMG numerous times. Thanks, Linda J. Carroll Mainframe Capacity Planning IBM Integrated Technology Delivery Linda Carroll/Alpharetta/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Office: 404-921-5216 Tie Line: 930-3712

Re: IEBGENER is BROKEN

2008-01-14 Thread Kelman, Tom
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Thompson, Steve Try to copy a VB 125 to a VB 140 and see what happens. Then go read APAR OZ72277. Make sure you do not have a mouth full of some beverage. The resulting torrent of illogic [is] most

Re: SMP/E and why not.

2008-01-14 Thread Ed Gould
On Jan 14, 2008, at 8:03 AM, Tom Marchant wrote: On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 12:53:03 -0600, Ed Gould wrote: A good company lets the customers decide and goes with a majority. The current Major software vendors all use SMP/e(it took years of battling to get them that way THERE is a reason). The few

Re: Computer Science Education: Where Are the Software Engineers of Tomorrow?

2008-01-14 Thread Gary Green
UWaterloo allum, huh... Ever encounter 'P1'? ggg Those who have been around since the 70's get the reference... On Mon Jan 14 18:09 , Ted MacNEIL [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent: I agree, in general, but I would insert one caveat: some form of assembler language should be included, as well as a

Re: SMP/E and why not.

2008-01-14 Thread Ed Gould
On Jan 14, 2008, at 8:38 AM, Mark Zelden wrote: On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 17:55:27 -0500, Robert A. Rosenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 22:58 -0800 on 01/04/2008, shai hess wrote about Re: SMP/E and why not.: My biggest gripe with the design of SMP/E is the use of a RESTORE design that

Re: Computer Science Education: Where Are the Software Engineers of Tomorrow?

2008-01-14 Thread Ted MacNEIL
UWaterloo allum, huh... Ever encounter 'P1'? Read the adolescense of when it first came out. Saw the movie. Mr. Pone. - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions,

Re: Computer Science Education: Where Are the Software Engineers of Tomorrow?

2008-01-14 Thread Anton Britz
Hi, I surrender : Do you guys get paid for the number of postings you make to public email lilsts ? Do you get hired based on the number of junk email jou can send all over the World ? Conclusion : There is no way that you can claim you are doing this accidently or that you want to Create

Re: SMP/E and why not.

2008-01-14 Thread Mark Zelden
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:15:51 -0600, Ed Gould [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --SNIP- The real problem I've run into is that many sysprogs think you should never ACCEPT anything. I don't know where / when that was taught to sysprogs, but you'd be amazed

Re: Rexx external assembler functions and reentrancy

2008-01-14 Thread Patrick O'Keefe
On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 21:34:34 -0600, Andy Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... The question of where to stash something arose in this thread when it was suggested that storage could be acquired once, and not every time the function was called. ... This may be of no use, but remember that the REXX

Re: Computer Science Education: Where Are the Software Engineers of Tomorrow?

2008-01-14 Thread Gary Green
Well, I could tell you I never had to debug an APL program... But I would also need to tell you I only wrote some Proof of Conpept programs and they did not count. ;) On Mon Jan 14 17:57 , Ted MacNEIL [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent: From before I ever got into programming, I always thought APL was

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