Re: Code Page 1047 vs 037 (Was: coming soon ...)

2008-07-08 Thread Hunkeler Peter (KIUK 3)
[snip] What am I missing...?? Try setting your terminal type in ISPF Settings to '6' = 3278T. Looks just like plain garbage to be. Probably this member has gone through a couple of code page translations From looking at the text I'd say the x'8B's and x'9B's are meant to be curly

Re: Sysplex CDS placement

2008-07-08 Thread Vernooy, C.P. - SPLXM
Vernooy, C.P. - SPLXM [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] t... Hello group, Manual z/OS V1R8.0 MVS Setting Up a Sysplex still states that the Primary Sysplex couple dataset and the Primary CFRM couple dataset should reside on different volumes. I suppose this was

Re: Code Page 1047 vs 037 (Was: coming soon ...)

2008-07-08 Thread Hunkeler Peter (KIUK 3)
People still using the old code page 037 probably see funny looking... Gee, I must have missed the memo--I'm still using old code page 037! Has IBM announces a change from CP037 to CP1047? The REXX manual still refers to CP037 as the code page being used. This concerns only the not sign (¬)

Sharing catalog among systems,benefits or trouble?

2008-07-08 Thread Victor Zhang
Hi all, We have a shared dasd that hold a shared user catalog and there are a third party software installed on that dasd, occasionally we met a problem that a LPAR will reserve the dasd and there are IOS071I meesage appeared in syslog/operlog, how can we avoid the problem? Is it suggested to

Re: want to read a dataset in use

2008-07-08 Thread al chu
Hi Thanks everyone for the responses I think I should have been more specific. What I want to do is, to increase the dataset(QSAM) size. Records are written to the dataset by the 3rd step (CICS). The dataset is browsed by many programmers using ISPF while the job(CICS) is running, so I don't

Re: SMF record 74 subtype 1

2008-07-08 Thread Natasa Savinc
Mark, I just had another look at the job for report, and I saw what I didn't see 5 times yesterday - a typo. I misspelled the name of the storage group, and I got the message 'NO SMF RECORDS FOUND'. Sorry, and thank you for trying to help me. Best regards, Natasa

Re: Code Page 1047 vs 037 (Was: coming soon ...)

2008-07-08 Thread Larre Shiller
Try setting your terminal type in ISPF Settings to '6' = 3278T. Ed - I don't know how you figure this stuff out, but that did the trick! Amazing...! Thanks! Larre Shiller US Social Security Administration 410.965.2209 www.ssa.gov   The contents of this message are mine personally and do

Re: Sharing catalog among systems,benefits or trouble?

2008-07-08 Thread Knutson, Sam
We choose to not allow any shared DASD across Sysplex boundaries. It eliminates a whole class of problems. * sharing PDSE across Sysplex doesn't work but if you make it possible someone will try * RESERVE from another Sysplex much harder to identify and on the wrong volume can bring down your

Re: Sharing catalog among systems,benefits or trouble?

2008-07-08 Thread Ted MacNEIL
We choose to not allow any shared DASD across Sysplex boundaries. It eliminates a whole class of problems. We also chose to do the same thing in the mid-1990's. And, at that time, the point was that DASD was cheap enough (especially compared to the integrity problems) then. Now, there is very

Re: Code Page 1047 vs 037 (Was: coming soon ...)

2008-07-08 Thread Mansell, George R.
In some cases it might be necessary to check the telnet CodePage setting. On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 15:31:51 -0500, Mansell, George R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BROWSESYS1.TCPPARMS(TCPCOMMN) - 01.33 Command === CodePage ISO8859-1 IBM-1047 ; Linemode ASCII, EBCDIC code pages What are trying

Re: Cataloging problem

2008-07-08 Thread Yukus, Mary J CIV USMEPCOM
I'm sorry I didn't respond sooner, I was out of the office. The process I used for the rename, was actually to FLASHCOPY the VSAM file using copy with rename. First, I created another HLQ with an alias to a new catalog, did the FLASHCOPY with rename, deleted the old name, created the desired

SSHTectia Server for z/OS

2008-07-08 Thread Betsy Jeffery
I'm running a trial of this product and the only hurdle left before giving it a thumbs up is the poor transfer rate for large files. For example, a file of 625 3390-9 cyl. transfers to a Windows SSHTectia Server in 22 seconds when using 'plain vanilla' ftp (unsecured). We are running (with

LPA module use count

2008-07-08 Thread John Blythe Reid
Hello, I have a question about the use count for LPA modules. The other day all the IMS message processing regions started showing messages 'CSV002I REQUESTS FOR MODULE XX EXCEED MAXIMUM USE COUNT'. This lasted for five minutes and then everything was ok again. The module XX is a module

LPA module use count

2008-07-08 Thread John Blythe Reid
Hello, I have a question about the use count for LPA modules. The other day all the IMS message processing regions started showing messages 'CSV002I REQUESTS FOR MODULE XX EXCEED MAXIMUM USE COUNT'. This lasted for five minutes and then everything was ok again. The module XX is a module

Re: Code Page 1047 vs 037 (Was: coming soon ...)

2008-07-08 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hunkeler Peter (KIUK 3) Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 1:31 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Code Page 1047 vs 037 (Was: coming soon ...) [snip] What am I missing...??

Re: Going unsupported - time to fold?

2008-07-08 Thread Timothy Sipples
If you have some more background information on the situation it might be helpful. Any formal business case analysis, for example? A couple immediate thoughts, though: 1. Keep ordering at least new releases, to keep them on deck, and at least every no charge feature (e.g. the CICS Service Flow

Re: Sharing catalog among systems,benefits or trouble?

2008-07-08 Thread Mark Zelden
Nothing wrong with Sam's point of view and agree it is the safest. On Tue, 8 Jul 2008 10:47:43 +, Ted MacNEIL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now, there is very little argument for sharing. In a few cases, we have to. Our Sun/STK VSMs and tape libraries are shared across sysplexes, so their

Re: RSU 0806?

2008-07-08 Thread David Magee
I've been experiencing the RSU member being late to the FTP server on numerous occasions over the past 6 - 9 months. I don't know what triggers the e-mail from IBM informing users of the new service levels, but apparently it occurs before the RSUxxx member is actually placed on the FTP server.

Re: Sharing catalog among systems,benefits or trouble?

2008-07-08 Thread Ted MacNEIL
Sharing DASD was around long before sysplex... There are two falacies regarding technology: 1. This is old, therefore good. 2. This is new, therefore better. Shared DASD has been around for a long time, but I will only share within SYSPLEX boundaries. Sharing outside a SYSPLEX (or a Single

Re: Going unsupported - time to fold?

2008-07-08 Thread Eric Bielefeld
Timothy, What exactly is the SS? Is that the question and answer subscription where you can ask questions of support other than product defect questions? Maybe you could provide a link to an explanation. Also, it sounds like if you discontinue the service, you then have to pay for all the

Re: Sharing catalog among systems,benefits or trouble?

2008-07-08 Thread Tom Marchant
On Tue, 8 Jul 2008 13:38:06 +, Ted MacNEIL wrote: ... I will only share within SYSPLEX boundaries. So how do you deal with the issues that Mark mentioned? -- Tom Marchant -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive

Re: Code Page 1047 vs 037 - 3278T setting

2008-07-08 Thread David Cole
At 7/8/2008 05:41 AM, Larre Shiller wrote: At 7/7/2008 06:55 PM, Edward Jaffe wrote: Try setting your terminal type in ISPF Settings to '6' = 3278T. Ed - I don't know how you figure this stuff out, but that did the trick! Amazing...! Thanks! Larre Shiller US Social Security

Re: Sharing catalog among systems,benefits or trouble?

2008-07-08 Thread Ted MacNEIL
So how do you deal with the issues that Mark mentioned? I have only dealt with three or less SYSPLEX systems. I have also dealt with mostly financial institutions. In those cases the integrity issues were more important than the cost of data duplication. (PS: I was only giving my opinion based

Re: Going unsupported - time to fold?

2008-07-08 Thread Richards, Robert B.
Eric, As it relates to mainframe software, SS is for *IPLA* products only. To see which z/OS products are IPLA, follow this link: http://www-03.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/library/swpriceinfo/ipla.h tml and click on the Execution-Based, Reference-Based or z/OS-Based tabs. For a good

Re: Code Page 1047 vs 037 - Green card confusion

2008-07-08 Thread David Cole
At 7/7/2008 12:15 PM, Edward Jaffe wrote: They [code pages 1047 and 037] are not the same. [snip] People still using the old code page 037 probably see funny looking garbage characters in IBM-provided macros and other code. [...] On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 09:01:02 -0700, Edward Jaffe wrote: I

Re: Sharing catalog among systems,benefits or trouble?

2008-07-08 Thread Hal Merritt
Others have made excellent points. The bottom line is that there is no good technical solution. Sharing DASD and catalogs brings problems like yours. Not sharing DASD brings business problems. The 'best' technical solution is a totally isolated LPAR with only its DASD online. Many of us can't do

Re: Code Page 1047 vs 037 (Was: coming soon ...)

2008-07-08 Thread Hunkeler Peter (KIUK 3)
I don't know the code page involved, but the GX20-0157-2 (System/370 Extended Architecture Reference Summary) has a section entitled CODE ASSIGNMENTS which put { at 0x8b and } at 0x9b. I've got the z/Architecture Reference Summary (SA22-7871-01) and this shows x'8b' as » and x'9b' as º (with an

Re: Going unsupported - time to fold?

2008-07-08 Thread David Andrews
On Mon, 2008-07-07 at 15:31 -0500, Peggy Andrews wrote: supervisor asking for a risk assessment of NOT doing (completing) the 1.9 upgrade. I would like to answer intelligently - not emotionally. Sure, easy. Don't try to enumerate the hundreds of things that can go wrong, and don't try to

Re: Code Page 1047 vs 037 (Was: coming soon ...)

2008-07-08 Thread Edward Jaffe
Hunkeler Peter (KIUK 3) wrote: Looks just like plain garbage to be. Probably this member has gone through a couple of code page translations From looking at the text I'd say the x'8B's and x'9B's are meant to be curly braces. None of the code pages I know has them at those code points. I

SV: Code Page 1047 vs 037 (Was: coming soon ...)

2008-07-08 Thread Thomas Berg
FWIW, here is (part of) ANTRQTA viewed in the Swedish charset: *Ýxlabel¨ ANTRQTA Ô ILK=XRC* * ! Ð ,REQUEST=LEVEL * * ! ! ,RETINFO=xretinfo * *

Re: Sharing catalog among systems,benefits or trouble?

2008-07-08 Thread Vernooy, C.P. - SPLXM
Victor Zhang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hi all, We have a shared dasd that hold a shared user catalog and there are a third party software installed on that dasd, occasionally we met a problem that a LPAR will reserve the dasd and there are IOS071I meesage

Re: Code Page 1047 vs 037 - Green card confusion

2008-07-08 Thread Farley, Peter x23353
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Cole Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 10:15 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Code Page 1047 vs 037 - Green card confusion Snipped On a related note... At 7/8/2008 08:53 AM,

Re: SV: Code Page 1047 vs 037 (Was: coming soon ...)

2008-07-08 Thread Edward Jaffe
Thomas Berg wrote: FWIW, here is (part of) ANTRQTA viewed in the Swedish charset: I'm going to try to paste in a picture. Don't know if IBM-MAIN will allow ... -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 Los Angeles, CA 90045 310-338-0400 x318

Re: Code Page 1047 vs 037 (Was: coming soon ...)

2008-07-08 Thread Wayne Driscoll
That does it, for years I have used 1047 with terminal type set to 4 3278A with no problem. Thanks Ed. Wayne Driscoll Product Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Direct) (630) 663-0719 (Mobile) (630) 247-1632 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

PCOMM file xfer question (and rant)

2008-07-08 Thread Pinnacle
Can anybody tell me how to turn off the bleeping RECFM(V) that PCOMM insists on adding to every binary transfer to the mainframe? Never mind that this is a brain-dead option, but I've been up, down, and sideways through that brain-dead dialog, and I can't find it. I also tried Extra, but it

Re: Going unsupported - time to fold?

2008-07-08 Thread Hal Merritt
Other post's good points notwithstanding, I would think the risks are political, not technical. Yes, you can go 'unsupported'. All that really means is any required support will be more expensive. You would, for example, pay a per hour rate for IBM assistance if you run into a problem no one else

Re: Code Page 1047 vs 037 - 3278T setting

2008-07-08 Thread Edward Jaffe
David Cole wrote: Yeah, Ed. How do you figure these things out. No magic. As an assembler language programmer living in the USA, I wanted to be able to read the syntax diagrams embedded within IBM's assembler language macros. In the olden days, there were only a few ISPF terminal types to

Re: PCOMM file xfer question (and rant)

2008-07-08 Thread Thomas Kern
I set up several new transfer templates to cover the common but not default formats for my transfers. I have an BIN-F80, BIN-F4096, TXT-F80, etc. Go to Edit | Preferences | Transfers | MVS and then you can type in a new name for your template, then fill in the details and click on SAVE. /Tom

Re: PCOMM file xfer question (and rant)

2008-07-08 Thread Jerry Durbin
I switched to FTP after attempting to use PCOMM - less forehead botox exercises less stress. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pinnacle Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 9:26 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: PCOMM file xfer

Re: Going unsupported - time to fold?

2008-07-08 Thread Staller, Allan
snip Pragmatically, there is a pretty good business case for halting the 1.9 project. The costs become an issue if, and only if, the project fails, runs over schedule, or turns out to be only partially successful. /snip Riiiggg! I would place a bet on failure given the time frame

Re: PCOMM file xfer question (and rant)

2008-07-08 Thread Edward Jaffe
Pinnacle wrote: ... I don't know how you guys that have to use PCOMM and Extra can stand it. Thank God for Vista. On those extremely rare occasions when I use IND$FILE, I open a Windows Command Prompt and issue the SEND or RECEIVE command directly. GUI be damned! -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix

SV: Going unsupported - time to fold?

2008-07-08 Thread Thomas Berg
Pragmatically, it would perhaps be wise to balance the risk with a bet at an English bookmaker, or an insurance at Lloyd's ? :) Regards, Thomas Berg __ Thomas Berg Specialist IT-U SWEDBANK -Ursprungligt meddelande- Från: IBM Mainframe

Re: Going unsupported - time to fold?

2008-07-08 Thread Chris Hoelscher
well, let me ask this question - applying not only to the question at hand but to all shops that might choose to go commando (unsupported) 1) if by going unsupported - you lose the ability to apply fixes to software that might have otherwise fixable security holes - are you therefore in violation

Re: Going unsupported - time to fold?

2008-07-08 Thread Staller, Allan
I think the bookmaker would be more lucrative, insurance more practical! snip Pragmatically, it would perhaps be wise to balance the risk with a bet at an English bookmaker, or an insurance at Lloyd's ? /snip snip snip Pragmatically, there is a pretty good business case for halting the 1.9

Re: Going unsupported - time to fold?

2008-07-08 Thread Ed Finnell
In a message dated 7/8/2008 10:34:37 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Riiiggg! I would place a bet on failure given the time frame proposed ( 6 months) I was thinking about this in the Wally-Mart Checkout line yesterday! (Seems like the self-checkouts are

Re: Going unsupported - time to fold?

2008-07-08 Thread Rick Fochtman
Same here, Alan. I LIKE betting on a sure thing! In my old shop, it took 8 years! Staller, Allan wrote: snip Pragmatically, there is a pretty good business case for halting the 1.9 project. The costs become an issue if, and only if, the project fails, runs over schedule, or turns out to be

Re: Going unsupported - time to fold?

2008-07-08 Thread Mark Jacobs
Staller, Allan wrote: snip Pragmatically, there is a pretty good business case for halting the 1.9 project. The costs become an issue if, and only if, the project fails, runs over schedule, or turns out to be only partially successful. /snip Riiiggg! I would place a bet on failure

Re: PCOMM file xfer question (and rant)

2008-07-08 Thread Dave Salt
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Can anybody tell me how to turn off the bleeping RECFM(V) that PCOMM insists on adding to every binary transfer to the mainframe? LOL, I remember going through the same pain. I eventually gave up and started using the ISPF Workstation Agent (WSA), and I've never

Re: Command OGETX not found (!?)

2008-07-08 Thread Pat Mihalec
I'm in a shop that is two years into the current unsupported plan. The person that made the decision is nolonger here, but I can not get an answer out of the current administration. The current plan is for the Mainframe to be here for three more years. I want to upgrade from z/OS 1.4 but can

Re: Going unsupported - time to fold?

2008-07-08 Thread Skip Robinson
When you abandon ship, you lose access to everything you had on the ship except for what you haul into the life boat. That requires exquisite planning and a whale of a life boat. Real life story: I once worked for a company that had previously been a big user of IMS. By the time I arrived, IMS

Use count for LPA modules

2008-07-08 Thread John Reid
Hello, I have a question about the use count for LPA modules. The other day all the IMS message processing regions started showing messages 'CSV002I REQUESTS FOR MODULE 'modname' EXCEED MAXIMUM USE COUNT'. This lasted for five minutes and then everything was ok again. The module 'modname' is a

Re: Going unsupported - time to fold?

2008-07-08 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Skip Robinson Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 11:06 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Going unsupported - time to fold? When you abandon ship, you lose access to everything you had

Fw: (Duplicate Post) Use count for LPA modules

2008-07-08 Thread Ted MacNEIL
I'm sure I saw two copies of this, yesterday. One to IBM-Main, and one to IMS-L. --Original Message-- From: John Reid Sender: IBM Mainframe Discussion List To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List ReplyTo: IBM Mainframe Discussion List Sent: Jul 8, 2008 12:07 Subject: Use count for LPA modules

Re: Fw: (Duplicate Post) Use count for LPA modules

2008-07-08 Thread John Blythe Reid
Yes, this is the first time I've posted and each time I sent a message it seemed to disappear into the ether. I thought maybe it was something to do with the message encoding so I've been tweaking it around to try and get it to work. I see it has worked at last. Regards, John. On 08/07/2008, Ted

Re: Use count for LPA modules

2008-07-08 Thread Rob Scott
John, IEALPAxx modules and those load by the dynamic LPA service are on the active LPA queue and their CDUSE counts can be updated by LOADs from ANY address space. It is even possible that a logic error in some pgm somewhere has even turn the CDUSE to a negative value. One solution to your

Re: PCOMM file xfer question (and rant)

2008-07-08 Thread Gary Green
Well, I use Attachmate all the time and I upload FB files all the time... If no one else can assist, I'll login and force my brain cells to remember how I do it. On Tue Jul 8 11:25 , Pinnacle [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent: Can anybody tell me how to turn off the bleeping RECFM(V) that PCOMM

Re: Use count for LPA modules

2008-07-08 Thread John Blythe Reid
Thanks a lot Rob, that really is a great help. I've been scouring the manual library looking for something about this. Regards, John. On 08/07/2008, Rob Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John, IEALPAxx modules and those load by the dynamic LPA service are on the active LPA queue and their

Re: z/OS 1.9 RACFDRV job converted to Top Secret

2008-07-08 Thread Big Iron
There is a cookbook for Top Secret running in a z/OS environment at http://supportconnectw.ca.com/public/ca-topsecret/manuals/TSSCookB.pdf which might be helpful to you or your Top Secret person. Bill On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 10:47:19 -0500, Tony B. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For the examples below:

Re: z/OS 1.9 RACFDRV job converted to Top Secret

2008-07-08 Thread Big Iron
There is also IBM page http://www.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?rs=171uid=swg21205523 which gives examples of digital certificate commands in various dialects. Bill On Tue, 8 Jul 2008 11:55:52 -0500, Big Iron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is a cookbook for Top Secret running in a z/OS

Re: Code Page 1047 vs 037 (Was: coming soon ...)

2008-07-08 Thread Mark Zelden
On Tue, 8 Jul 2008 10:15:48 -0500, Wayne Driscoll [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That does it, for years I have used 1047 with terminal type set to 4 3278A with no problem. Thanks Ed. Ditto from me Ed. If I get approval for SHARE, I owe ya one. :-) Mark -- Mark Zelden Sr. Software and Systems

CA-MIM/Integrity abend.

2008-07-08 Thread McKown, John
I've already opened a problem with CA on this. But I thought that I'd ask here, just in case. We are using CA-MIM/Integrity 11.5 SP1. Communications is CTCDASD. This is on our two system basic sysplex. We also use GRS for some/most global ENQs. MIM on one system abended with a U0095 REASON=5B9,

Re: CA-MIM/Integrity abend.

2008-07-08 Thread Ted MacNEIL
Anybody seen anything like this before? MIMIT is running in a high WLM service class. Should it be in SYSSTC? I would always put MIM (and friends) in SYSSTC. Why are you using GRS to handle globals if you have MIM? - Too busy driving to stop for gas!

Re: CA-MIM/Integrity abend.

2008-07-08 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 12:29 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: CA-MIM/Integrity abend. Anybody seen anything like this before? MIMIT is running in a high WLM

Re: CA-MIM/Integrity abend.

2008-07-08 Thread Rob Scott
I was under the impression that globals with RNL=NO on the ENQ request should be left to GRS to handle. Rob Scott Rocket Software, Inc 275 Grove Street Newton, MA 02466 617-614-2305 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On

Re: CA-MIM/Integrity abend.

2008-07-08 Thread Ted MacNEIL
I'll admit that I don't know why. Personally, I want to use GRS and not MIM. Unfortunately, we are now dependant on MIM doing some extra processing such as: requeueing jobs that have a DSN contention That can be 'solved' by adding a few more initiators. and protecting programmers from linking

Re: Code Page 1047 vs 037 (Was: coming soon ...)

2008-07-08 Thread Ed Finnell
In a message dated 7/8/2008 12:26:38 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ditto from me Ed. If I get approval for SHARE, I owe ya one. :-) What's the exposure if you DB/2's stay 037? Particularly those with Installadmin authority. **Gas prices

Re: CA-MIM/Integrity abend.

2008-07-08 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 12:36 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: CA-MIM/Integrity abend. I'll admit that I don't know why. Personally, I want to use GRS and not

Re: CA-MIM/Integrity abend.

2008-07-08 Thread Jakubek, Jan
MIMIT is running in a high WLM service class. Should it be in SYSSTC? It should be run like GRS - in SYSTEM. To get it run in SYSTEM it has to be started via MIMASC though. Hth... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive

Re: CA-MIM/Integrity abend.

2008-07-08 Thread Ted MacNEIL
They don't wanna. I can't force them. It is now a political thing, not a technical thing. And, in any case, most seem to regard a unused initiator as a reason to submit more jobs, even when the CPU is at 100% and work in crawling. I.e. If you didn't want the job to be running, then why is there

Re: CA-MIM/Integrity abend.

2008-07-08 Thread Dennis Trojak
They are. AFAIK, MIM never sees them. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rob Scott Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 12:33 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: CA-MIM/Integrity abend. I was under the impression that globals with

Re: CA-MIM/Integrity abend.

2008-07-08 Thread Bobbie Justice
Tell management how much you are spending on MIM, and GRS is 'free'. true, as far as inits-- wlm initiators Why are you protecting them from their own stupidity regarding the link edit thing? my thoughts exactly --

Re: CA-MIM/Integrity abend.

2008-07-08 Thread Ted MacNEIL
It should be run like GRS - in SYSTEM. To get it run in SYSTEM it has to be started via MIMASC though. We tried this once, albeit before z/OS, and MIM never came up. I haven't used MIM in over four years, so I don't know if that was fixed. It was an outstanding problem within CA. Mind you, we

Re: CA-MIM/Integrity abend.

2008-07-08 Thread Veilleux, Jon L
That can be 'solved' by adding a few more initiators. Adding initiators won't resolve DSN contention, but might make it worse. I'm not even sure what this one means. I have never seen this problem. You are lucky. Besides trying to link into a source file we've had users forget to put a member

Re: CA-MIM/Integrity abend.

2008-07-08 Thread Veilleux, Jon L
Why are you protecting them from their own stupidity regarding the link edit thing? Who gets the call when they can't access their libraries? Unfortunately, stupid user problems always end up being system programmer problems. Better to stop them from stomping on their own toes then to try to fix

Re: CA-MIM/Integrity abend.

2008-07-08 Thread Bobbie Justice
- Original Message - From: Veilleux, Jon L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 1:59 PM Subject: Re: CA-MIM/Integrity abend. Why are you protecting them from their own stupidity regarding the link edit thing? Who

Re: CA-MIM/Integrity abend.

2008-07-08 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 12:52 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: CA-MIM/Integrity abend. They don't wanna. I can't force them. It is now a political thing, not a

Re: PCOMM file xfer question (and rant)

2008-07-08 Thread Bruno Sugliani
Tale it easy grin Do it the old way like in SYS1.PARMLIB go to the profile of your session ( something.WS in your pcomm directory) mine is here : F:\Program Files\IBM\Personal Communications\private edit it with notepad or whatever and change the V to a F in the XferTypesMVSx= for example

Re: CA-MIM/Integrity abend.

2008-07-08 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bobbie Justice Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 12:55 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: CA-MIM/Integrity abend. Tell management how much you are spending on MIM, and GRS is 'free'.

Re: CA-MIM/Integrity abend.

2008-07-08 Thread Ted MacNEIL
That can be 'solved' by adding a few more initiators. Adding initiators won't resolve DSN contention, but might make it worse. That's why 'solved' rather than solved. I was talking more about making initiators available for other jobs, rather than having them all tied up and jobs waiting. . . .

Re: CA-MIM/Integrity abend.

2008-07-08 Thread Ted MacNEIL
Because if I don't then __I__ must fix their PDS. And I don't want to be bothered. No, I can't do anything about that either. Part of my job seems to be to remove the bullets from the foot-guns when I find them. We, the unwilling, do the impossible for the ungrateful. (etc, etc, etc). Can you

Jason Gately is on Annual Leave

2008-07-08 Thread Jason Gately
I will be out of the office starting 09/07/2008 and will not return until 14/07/2008. Back on July 14th MVS Help Desk: x82390 Lotus Notes address: MVS Requests National Australia Bank Ltd - ABN 12 004 044 937 This email may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended

Re: CA-MIM/Integrity abend.

2008-07-08 Thread Ted MacNEIL
Oh, my. My manager considers WLM itself to be a tool of the devil. WLM initiators are even worse. WLM has removed at the knobs that we use to make the system more productive, dontcha know?? Oh, for the glorious days when DPRTY= was king! I pity you. Don't ya hate managers that used to be

Re: CA-MIM/Integrity abend.

2008-07-08 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 1:10 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: CA-MIM/Integrity abend. Because if I don't then __I__ must fix their PDS. And I don't want to be

Re: Going unsupported - time to fold?

2008-07-08 Thread Scott Fagen
On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 15:31:42 -0500, Peggy Andrews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Management has decided that it is time for the mainframe to go. They've got a project manager looking at a mainframe decommissioning project (feel my pain?). Stupid is as stupid does... IBM is in the business of keeping

Re: CA-MIM/Integrity abend.

2008-07-08 Thread Ted MacNEIL
Yes, DFHSM does back up the application programmer's PDSes. Not data files. We don't have enough hours in the day to backup everything with DFHSM. How often do these files change? How many images do you have? How many copies of HSM are you running? Yes, when you first start it backing up

Re: CA-MIM/Integrity abend.

2008-07-08 Thread Veilleux, Jon L
Lack of training/skill. Not something an expensive product like MIM should be used to fix. Actually the operating system never should have allowed this to happen in the first place (IMHO) but yes, training has and always will be an issue so expensive products do come in handy. They should NOT be

Re: CA-MIM/Integrity abend.

2008-07-08 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 1:32 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: CA-MIM/Integrity abend. Yes, DFHSM does back up the application programmer's PDSes. Not data

Re: CA-MIM/Integrity abend.

2008-07-08 Thread Ted MacNEIL
IOW, when the nuke their PDS, they once again come to us to restore it. Not necessarily. As I said, if you allow them to do their own HRECOVER, give them panels and execs. If you don't, give them a mechanism to queue requests and do them on a regularily scheduled basis. But, don't jump

Re: CA-MIM/Integrity abend.

2008-07-08 Thread Mark Zelden
On Tue, 8 Jul 2008 12:26:42 -0500, McKown, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've already opened a problem with CA on this. But I thought that I'd ask here, just in case. We are using CA-MIM/Integrity 11.5 SP1. Communications is CTCDASD. This is on our two system basic sysplex. We also use GRS for

Re: CA-MIM/Integrity abend.

2008-07-08 Thread Ted MacNEIL
They should NOT be responsible for backups. YOU should be. I agree, and we do have SMS in place. I was referencing a time before SMS. Some users never backed up their files SMS never introduced centralised backup. It just made it easier. In every shop I worked in, we controlled backups, not

Re: CA-MIM/Integrity abend.

2008-07-08 Thread Knutson, Sam
In z/OS R9 the Binder rejects request to write to a PDS that has non-RECFM U, unless RECFM=U is explicitly overriden. This behavior now matches the behavior for PDSEs. So if you try to link into your JCL PDS you won't damage it. z/OS V1 R9 BINDER 14:48:52 TUESDAY JULY 8, 2008 BATCH

Re: Code Page 1047 vs 037 (Was: coming soon ...)

2008-07-08 Thread Mark Zelden
On Tue, 8 Jul 2008 13:43:01 EDT, Ed Finnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/8/2008 12:26:38 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ditto from me Ed. If I get approval for SHARE, I owe ya one. :-) What's the exposure if you DB/2's stay 037? Particularly those

Re: CA-MIM/Integrity abend.

2008-07-08 Thread Veilleux, Jon L
I've said it many times. If your apps people don't know how to compile, link, and run, why are they working for you? Unfortunately I have no input into the hiring and firing of application folks or into their training, I just do my best to keep them from bothering me with stupid problems when I

Re: CA-MIM/Integrity abend.

2008-07-08 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Knutson, Sam Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 1:51 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: CA-MIM/Integrity abend. In z/OS R9 the Binder rejects request to write to a PDS that has

Re: CA-MIM/Integrity abend.

2008-07-08 Thread Mark Zelden
On Tue, 8 Jul 2008 17:55:24 +, Ted MacNEIL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It should be run like GRS - in SYSTEM. To get it run in SYSTEM it has to be started via MIMASC though. We tried this once, albeit before z/OS, and MIM never came up. I haven't used MIM in over four years, so I don't know if

Re: CA-MIM/Integrity abend.

2008-07-08 Thread Mark Zelden
On Tue, 8 Jul 2008 13:59:21 -0400, Veilleux, Jon L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why are you protecting them from their own stupidity regarding the link edit thing? Who gets the call when they can't access their libraries? Unfortunately, stupid user problems always end up being system programmer

Re: CA-MIM/Integrity abend.

2008-07-08 Thread Mark Zelden
On Tue, 8 Jul 2008 13:03:10 -0500, McKown, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tell management how much you are spending on MIM, and GRS is 'free'. That's an idea. I bounce it off my manager. I don't know how much MIM costs. We are fairly heavy into CA. And, to be honest, MIM is a good product. I

Re: CA-MIM/Integrity abend.

2008-07-08 Thread Ted MacNEIL
Unfortunately I have no input into the hiring and firing of application folks or into their training, I just do my best to keep them from bothering me with stupid problems when I know how to avoid them in the first place. You've created a trained response. If you protect people from their

Re: Code Page 1047 vs 037 (Was: coming soon ...)

2008-07-08 Thread Ed Finnell
In a message dated 7/8/2008 1:54:49 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: s this a question for me? I don't do DB2. ;-)But we did just convert all our DB2 from ccsid 500 to 37. This was done for DB2 V8. BTW, some QMF / GDDM fallout from that also. I now have to

Re: CA-MIM/Integrity abend.

2008-07-08 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Veilleux, Jon L Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 1:54 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: CA-MIM/Integrity abend. I've said it many times. If your apps people don't know how to

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