On Mon, 1 Dec 2008 11:58:14 -0600, Peter Ten Eyck
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If you can get a copy, the IBM program MCNVTCAT will read through
IDCAMS listcat output. This program is very handy to make mass
changes to a catalog.
The free MCNVCAT is no longer available is being replaced by a fee
Jan Vanbrabant wrote:
Any experiences with
File # 542 Alastair Gray-replacement for MCNVTCAT, other tools
on the CBT tape?
Alastairs is excellent. And if you find something it doesn't do,
it's (well documented) rexx.
Used it, liked it.
Shane ...
Edward Jaffe wrote:
An instruction timings book is not intended for use by management.
Agreed, but some managers consider any activity not directly
related to productive work (e.g., cranking out mindless code) to
be suspect, and grounds for discipline, unless of course it's
their idea to
Wrong subject
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Re: TCP/IP
anyone ever recv following msg after startup of NJE/IP link ??
IAZ0543I NETSRV6 TCP/IP
Rick Fochtman:
As Bob Shannon noted, the initial z/OS 1.10 bookshelf did not have the
data areas books. IBM developers (and perhaps others) complained and
apparently now they do. There is no indication that this will
necessarily continue in subsequent releases.
I would still appreciate your
snip
I would still appreciate your comments regarding PDF-only even if it
applies only to potential subsequent releases.
unsnip
As one who spends a fair amount of time using BookManager, I would greatly
appreciate IBM retaining BookManager for the manuals. BookManager is
easier to navigate
Is the other end of the connection up?
Did somebody issue a $PNETSRV (? unsure of spelling w/o lookup)
snip
anyone ever recv following msg after startup of NJE/IP link ??
IAZ0543I NETSRV6 TCP/IP connection with IP Addr: 10.239.53.121 Port: 175
Initiated
IAZ0543I NETSRV6 TCP/IP connection
On 1 Dec 2008 14:39:00 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Edward
Jaffe) wrote:
AFAIK, there are three: hardwired, microcoded and millicoded.
No more microcode since millicode took over circa 9672-G4?
I know what the prefixes milli and micro mean. But this seems
more like marketing.
On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 07:43:57 -0700, Howard Brazee [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On 1 Dec 2008 14:39:00 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Edward
Jaffe) wrote:
AFAIK, there are three: hardwired, microcoded and millicoded.
No more microcode since millicode took over circa 9672-G4?
I know what the prefixes
I can't talk about HCD but I would observe that moving from a S28 to a S38
is just about sticking the third book in. It says nothing whatsoever about
adding CHARACTERISED / PURCHASED engines or changes in capacity.
By the way RMF now has the hardware model (eg S38) in Type 70. I asked for
it
A parallel discussion on Bookmanager vs PDF is going on on Twitter right
now. It's a DB2-centric conversation but I've attempted to bring a z/OS
(corroborative) perspective to the discussion.
Martin Packer
Performance Consultant
IBM United Kingdom Ltd
+44-20-8832-5167
+44-7802-245-584
[EMAIL
Gerhard Postpischil wrote:
Edward Jaffe wrote:
An instruction timings book is not intended for use by management.
Agreed, but some managers consider any activity not directly related
to productive work (e.g., cranking out mindless code) to be suspect,
and grounds for discipline, unless of
Snipped
I would still appreciate your comments regarding PDF-only even if it
applies only to potential subsequent releases.
I will add my USD$0.02 as well. Bookmanager is the best search engine
by far, and as others have said the ability to search across shelves as
well as books on a shelf is
Howard Brazee wrote:
On 1 Dec 2008 14:39:00 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Edward
Jaffe) wrote:
AFAIK, there are three: hardwired, microcoded and millicoded.
No more microcode since millicode took over circa 9672-G4?
I know what the prefixes milli and micro mean. But this
On 1 Dec 2008 20:25:05 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Arthur Gutowski)
wrote:
You're spot on. 4 months seems like forever anymore.
To me - time goes real fast anymore.When I was 6 years old, a year
was a sixth of a lifetime. Now it's 1/10th of that.
On Mon, 1 Dec 2008 11:20:22 -0600, John McKown wrote:
On the current machines, there are two classes of instructions. The simple
instructions (like SR and LA and so forth) are hard wired. The more
difficult instructions (such as MVCLE) are millicoded.
I don't know about MVCLE, but on the z10
Colleagues,
My thoughts on the Book Manager versus PDF issue:
- Because I need to view so many different versions of manuals, for
different releases of IMS, z/OS, DFSMS, etc., it is not practical to
download copies of all manuals to my work PC, home PC, laptop, etc., or
to charge someone with
On Mon, 1 Dec 2008 20:51:15 -0500, Peter Relson wrote:
I would still appreciate your comments regarding PDF-only even if it
applies only to potential subsequent releases.
I prefer bookmanager for everything except printing. When I only want to
print or copy/paste a small bit, I will often use
In a message dated 12/2/2008 2:51:51 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
An instruction timings book is not intended for use by management.
Think I told this before but we had a Prof who went to work for MASSSTOR in
Silicon Valley and one of the first things they
On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 08:14:43 -0700, Howard Brazee [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On 1 Dec 2008 20:25:05 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Arthur Gutowski)
wrote:
You're spot on. 4 months seems like forever anymore.
To me - time goes real fast anymore.When I was 6 years old, a year
was a sixth of a
Anyone know if there is a standard for EOS date after withdraw from marketing?
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All opinions
CA-WORLD had a very significant Mainframe focus.
Mainframe 2.0 was discussed from the CEO's keynote all the way down to
technical sessions by some familiar faces.
http://www.ca.com/us/products/collateral.aspx?cid=192430
http://www.ca.com/us/solutions/mainframe.aspx
On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 09:44:49 -0600, Bruno Sugliani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 08:14:43 -0700, Howard Brazee [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On 1 Dec 2008 20:25:05 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Arthur Gutowski)
wrote:
You're spot on. 4 months seems like forever anymore.
To me - time goes
- Because I need to view so many different versions of manuals,
for different releases of IMS, z/OS, DFSMS, etc., it is not
practical to download copies of all manuals to my work PC, home PC,
laptop, etc., or to charge someone with doing the same on a
company server.
[snip]
- Book Manager
On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 09:56:34 -0600, John McKown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think that Howard is saying that he is 60. It depends on what that
refers to. I.e. at 6 yrs old, a year was 1/6. Now it is 1/10th of that (
1/6th) or 1/60th.
Ok John. I got it now !
That's the problem sometimes with us
On Mon, 1 Dec 2008 20:51:15 -0500, Peter Relson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I would still appreciate your comments regarding PDF-only even if it
applies only to potential subsequent releases.
Would a few comments on IBM-MAIN help? I've been filling out surveys
at SHARE for the last 4 years
When working in custompac is there a way to tell if a previous zos system
install was a software upgrade or a complete system replacement? Thanks
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In a message dated 12/2/2008 10:01:55 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
by far, and as others have said the ability to search across shelves as
well as books on a shelf is crucial. And the hits are usually right on
target.
Our DR plan included copies of 'current
On 2 Dec 2008 07:58:17 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John McKown) wrote:
I think that Howard is saying that he is 60. It depends on what that
refers to. I.e. at 6 yrs old, a year was 1/6. Now it is 1/10th of that (
1/6th) or 1/60th.
To one significant digit. (My wife and I average that age)
SAm,
How many people attended this thing ?
What was the best thing you heard ?
Which speech got the most attention ?
Was it all worth it , to go there and listen to all the Ra Ra..
Anton
On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 10:55:41 -0500, Knutson, Sam [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
CA-WORLD had a very significant
Hi,
I agree with the Investment banker ... and disagree with the Ims utility
developer from Tom DeLay's country or the Secession state..
Buy the DVD and copied it all over the place.
The Advantage of the PDF's ? Some how it's easier to print parts of a PDF.
BookManager does not or will not
Following on from Peter Relson's question:
The IBM Advanced Linguistic Search Plug-in for Adobe may be used to
perform advanced full text searches on Adobe Portable Document Format
(PDF) files that have been enabled with the IBM Advanced Linguistic
Search Index.
On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 11:14:18 EST, Ed Finnell wrote:
Our DR plan included copies of 'current manuals' of all products. Usually
this was spun off on CDs
in whatever formats the vendor provided.
These days a big honkin' USB hard drive might be a better choice. You could
put a lot of other stuff on
Mark Zelden wrote:
Would a few comments on IBM-MAIN help? I've been filling out surveys
at SHARE for the last 4 years indicating that I want to keep BookManager
format and almost every other sysprog and developer I know has been
doing the same thing. Haven't we made our case by now? Is
On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 11:04:50 -0600, Tom Marchant [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 11:14:18 EST, Ed Finnell wrote:
Our DR plan included copies of 'current manuals' of all products. Usually
this was spun off on CDs
in whatever formats the vendor provided.
These days a big honkin' USB
On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 11:19:26 -0600, John McKown wrote:
Our DR person says that anything used at DR must be stored at Iron Mountain.
That is, we are not allowed to take anything in with us other than pens and
blank paper. No USB devices, no documentation, zippo.
Iron Mountain can't store a USB
Actually, with Softcopy Librarian, it is easy and practical to download
most every manual you need. I guess needing older versions is a
complication, but right now, I have z/OS 1.7 thru z/OS 1.10 at work and
1.7/1.9 on my laptop.
I do wish IBM would get BookManager upgraded to work on Vista
On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 11:51:30 -0600, Tom Marchant [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 11:19:26 -0600, John McKown wrote:
Our DR person says that anything used at DR must be stored at Iron Mountain.
That is, we are not allowed to take anything in with us other than pens and
blank paper. No
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 12/01/2008
at 11:44 PM, Alan Altmark [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
With instruction pipelining,
Even without pipelining there were serious complexities as far back as
S/370.
Do try to use RI-format instructions like LOAD HALFWORD IMMEDIATE
to avoid storage reference or
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 12/01/2008
at 10:33 PM, Edward Jaffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
The first several pages would have to explain the pipeline design and
the delays that can occur. After that, specific instruction timings
would have to assume the pipeline is flowing freely.
The last time
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 12/01/2008
at 02:37 PM, Edward Jaffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
No more microcode since millicode took over circa 9672-G4?
I'm pretty sure that I've seen IBM references to microcode that were much
more recent than that.
John? Has IBM stopped using microcode in zSeries
Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote:
The last time I saw instruction timings, the manual didn't address the
pipeline and it still had complex formulae. I'm confident that assuming
the pipeline to be instantaneous would still leave the timing manual too
large to be of use.
The people that use
On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 07:51:37 -0500, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 12/01/2008
at 02:37 PM, Edward Jaffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
No more microcode since millicode took over circa 9672-G4?
I'm pretty sure that I've seen IBM references to microcode
On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 10:25:06 -0600, Anton Britz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
SAm,
How many people attended this thing ?
What was the best thing you heard ?
Which speech got the most attention ?
Was it all worth it , to go there and listen to all the Ra Ra..
Anton
On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 10:55:41 -0500,
In a message dated 12/2/2008 2:24:32 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Ed has a good memory. G4 was the first to use it.
Was that the one that farkled up the TRUNC(BIN) and was slower than the G3?
Ugh, must be the tryptophanThink Cheryl had some other observations
Would it help if we stop calling it BookMangler ? :-)
Seriously, I am a big fan of the Book Manager format and would be lost
without it. I find the TSO interface particularly useful, especially
when looking up messages and codes.
Please remember that not all shops allow their programmers to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John McKown) writes:
On the current machines, there are two classes of instructions. The
simple instructions (like SR and LA and so forth) are hard
wired. The more difficult instructions (such as MVCLE) are
millicoded. So, if you can replace a millicoded instruction with a
AND with FTP/TLS -- No unsecured (in clear) credentials allowed to
access the mainframe so native FTP is disallowed and the Librarian
product only uses in clear.
Jerry Whitteridge
Mainframe Engineering
Safeway Inc
925 951 4184
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
If everything seems under control, you're just not
When I can access PDF from TSO/ISPF I'd be willing to drop the need for
Bookmanager format books. If I'm working a problem (either in house or
in a DR) I need the doc where I'm working and not rely on connectivity
to other platforms (either in house or externally at IBM).
Jerry Whitteridge
+1 for BookManager. And I'm one of those Mark referred to as filling
out the survey at Share.
Seems it's geting harder to get manuals, not easier. I needed some z/VM
5.4 manuals recently. All I could find (that was usable) was a web page
with a table of pdfs. Knocked up a script to cycle through
Edward Jaffe wrote:
The point is, having access to IBM's instruction timings document
would save us much time. And, the information provided would be
guaranteed accurate by the hardware manufacturer.
Well right there is why you ain't ever going to see such a document ;-)
Shane ...
Why wouldn't you just use the z/VM V5R4 bookshelf?
Here's how to find it:
1) Go to the z/OS Internet library Web page (includes links to z/VM and
z/VSE manuals, too) at:
http://www.ibm.com/systems/z/os/zos/bkserv/
2) Once there, click on the Bookshelf titles and filenames link under
On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 15:53:25 -0500, Anne Lynn Wheeler wrote:
An earlier genre was macrocode that was introduced on 5880
basically a flavor of modified 370 that ran in special mode. It was
used to implement hypervisor on 5880.
More precisely, Macrocode was implemented on the 580 series,
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 12/02/2008
at 09:18 AM, Edward Jaffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
BookManager Build for Windows is flat-out no longer supported by IBM
and will not work with the latest word processor and Java releases. We
have to keep old versions of these around--even old, dedicated
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 12/02/2008
at 08:58 AM, John McKown [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
May well be. From my admitted limited understanding, microcode was more
like RISC code.
Perhaps on some processors. For the big boys, the only connection with
RISC was that each control word executed in the
You forgot the 5840 - an even slower 580. The 580 series had three levels of
micro-code (I define micro-code in this context as software that runs on the
machine that the customer can not get to (display/alter/etc.) - that to the
customer, appears to be part of the hardware; in this broad
You forgot the 5840 - an even slower 580.
I never forgot that one.
I was a capacity analyst at the Ontario Government when that came out.
What a broo-ha-ha.
Many heads rolled, and it took a year before Amdahl 'fessed up.
We got a 5860 out of it, at no additional cost.
Of course, does anybody
No, there is no standard gap between End of Marketing and End of Support.
However, there are standard minimum times between announcement of EoS and
actual EoS.
To pick a random example, the IBM 3420 Model 6 (3420-006) tape drive was
announced on March 7, 1973. It was withdrawn from marketing on
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