Dan wrote:
TYPRUN=HOLD is just as much a farce.
All of the following (plus a whole lot more) don't get caught till execution:
//DD1 DD UNIT=CRUD - Invalid unit name
//DD2 DD DSN=A12345678.FILE - 9 character qualifier
//DD3 DD DISP=(OLD,CRUD) - Invalid keyword operand
Only products like
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 12:38 AM, Barbara Nitz nitz-...@gmx.net wrote:
The inconvenient truth of all things sysplex is that sysplex is a shared
everything architecture which means for it to work correctly, everything
must be available everywhere in the plex. Subdividing the plex with old
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 00:22:42 -0500, Barbara Nitz wrote:
I envy all of you out there who can use receive fromnetwork. We're in the
other category. And we were just informed that 'our' alternative will be
delivery to DVD. (Someone needs to grow a very long arm to be able to put
the DVDs into the
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 00:22:42 -0500, Barbara Nitz nitz-...@gmx.net wrote:
RECEIVE FROMNETWORK is the greatest thing since sliced bread.
Unfortunately, too many PHB's won't allow the mainframe access to the
Internet. It's OK for the company Email server to be there, but the
mainframe? NFW! Or as
- Original Message
From: Barbara Nitz nitz-...@gmx.net
Let's restate the question:
How many of you can use RECEIVE FROMNETWORK directly, without starting
other supporting programs?
to download PTFs we use Internet Service Delivery, that is, RECEIVE ORDER.
Simply great, no manual
With the announcement of z/OS 1.11 and its scheduled general availability
next month, the date rapidly approaches when z/OS 1.10 will no longer be
available for ordering.
If you would like to place an order for z/OS 1.10, IBM recommends
submitting your ServerPac or CBPDO order no later than
For those at SHARE who wish to share with the rest of us, Timothy Sipples
posted this on the MAINFRAME site:
Share Your Comments on SHARE
SHAREhttp://www.share.org holds its big conference this week in beautiful
Denver, Colorado. It's one of the biggest mainframe-focused conferences in the
Chris,
it doesn't really alter the point I was making
that sysplex design is predicated on sharing resources everywhere. That
design philosophy is what removes single points of failure and enables the
sysplex' marquee features of high availability and in theory, horizontal
scaling. It is equally
The DVD would go in your PC / workstation. Other vendors have been
delivering z/OS software this way for a long time. I don't know the details,
but I would guess you would either FTP to your HFS or zFS in place of
RECEIVE FROMNETWORK or perhaps you could NFS mount the DVD
on your workstation.
My management has asked me to see if anyone is using this configuration,
Oracle running under z/Linux with z/VM. If so, would you be willing to talk
to me offlist about it?
Thanks Lizette
lizette.koeh...@mindspring.com
--
For
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 06:22:25 -0500, Barbara Nitz wrote:
Sounds like this is where I stopped when I had to install a 1.4 refresh.
Admittedly, there wasn't a receive fromnts back then. But I fought hard to
mount my hard drive as an NTS to z/OS - the OMVS part. I still had a lot of
problems with
Lizette,
Based on prior posts, David Kreuter can probably answer a lot of your questions
based on his engagement with the Quebec government. First, Google his name and
Quebec.
Bob
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From: IBM Mainframe
- Original Message
From: Barbara Nitz nitz-...@gmx.net
Isn't this a very human trait: Don't change the way I have always done this,
I
am used to it, I am getting older and it is harder to learn new things?
Indeed is human. But this way of thinking can literally kill a company.
My
The timeouts are the exact reason I swtiched to downloading to an NFS server
and then doing RECEIVE FROM NTS. An FTP or Download-Director download is
much faster and reliable than RECEIVE ORDER. I had a couple of orders that
had to be restarted after it had almost completed, wasting a vast
On Monday, August 24, 2009 6:55 AM Barbara Nitz wrote:
Let's restate the question:
How many of you can use RECEIVE FROMNETWORK directly, without starting
other supporting programs?
We do all IBM maintenence downloads via network receive excluding our
annual Serverpac install, the download for
Given the rather violent discussion on this topic, I urge folks to step
back. Especially given that the thread now is going down a path that is
based on incorrect assertions, namely that the binder uses LE even if no
C/C++ code is involved. I asked, and they said that it does not, except to
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 08:19:33 -0400, Mark Pace mpac...@gmail.com wrote:
The timeouts are the exact reason I swtiched to downloading to an NFS server
and then doing RECEIVE FROM NTS. An FTP or Download-Director download is
much faster and reliable than RECEIVE ORDER. I had a couple of orders that
We have z/vm 5.4, SUSE 9.3 10.2 with Oracle 10g running as a DB server for
a data warehouse on a 2096 with two IFLs. Shoot me an email sometime to this
address craig.ot...@region10.org .
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf
Of
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 08:31:53 -0500, Mark Zelden mark.zel...@zurichna.com
wrote:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 08:19:33 -0400, Mark Pace mpac...@gmail.com wrote:
The timeouts are the exact reason I swtiched to downloading to an NFS server
and then doing RECEIVE FROM NTS. An FTP or Download-Director
... to compare against last week's data and produce a
report of this week's HIPERs. ...
I thought I could do this employing the BEGINDATE/ENDDATE operands of
REPORT ERRSYSMODS command. However, as RECEIVE ORDER automatically
grabs the last two year's HOLDDATA (every night), it doesn't appear
Thanks Kurt
Is there any likelihood of a change in this area?
Am I correct in thinking that the BEGIN/ENDATE operands are unusable with
REPORT ERRSYSMODS if I am using RECEIVE ORDER processing?
Thanks
Andrew Metcalfe
Global z/OS Systems Programming Team
Barclays Bank Plc
Ground Floor, Block
- Original Message -
From: Mark Pace mpac...@gmail.com
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: Software delivery via internet or tape
The timeouts are the exact reason I swtiched to downloading to an NFS
server
and then doing RECEIVE FROM
Rather than dance around and come up with some expensive, fragile kludge, why
not just document the business / technical requirement and let management duke
it out.
This is, after all, a political issue. I would expect some push pack from the
PC folks and the more clueless auditors, but your
Looks like the ultimate snub of those of us IBM-MAINers unable to
attend SHARE. :)
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On
Behalf Of Richards, Robert B.
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 3:30 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 10:38:39 -0400, Pinnacle wrote:
The timeout issues occur because SMP/E spawns (forks?) a Unix process to
unspin the tarball. For humongous tarballs, you can get S522 waiting for
the process to get back to the SMP/E batch job. You can also run into
storage issues as well, as
First off, our security group will not allow a direct FTP connection to IBM for
internet delivery. So we have to perform the download to the PC and upload to
the mainframe. Even that sometimes is blocked via the firewall.
But the thing that bothers us is that every vendor now has a different
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 00:38:48 -0500, Barbara Nitz nitz-...@gmx.net
wrote:
Don,
[...]
OFFLOAD_SYSTEMS(
[INCLUDE(sysname1 [,sysname2]...)]
[EXCLUDE(sysname1 [,sysname2]...)]
)
This was written so nicely :-), I went and checked the books if it's a function
in 1.11. Pity it isn't. I like
A couple of comments based upon what I have heard at Share.
The reason for the discontinuation of 34XX tapes is because they are no
longer being manufactured. IBM has a stock of them, but when they are gone,
there is no more.
Somebody mentioned using the HMC to load from a DVD. According to
Since some installations discourage REGION=0M (and NOLIMIT?) specific values
might be more useful.
The only way to get around coding NOLIMIT to avoid S522 abends is to code an
SMF exit.
-
Too busy driving to stop for gas!
--
Management is jumping for PCI and JSOX, and now wants a SSH based
3270 emulation for accessing mainframe TSO, CICS, and such apps. Please
feel free to contact me off-list, or phone 562-290-4163, I am looking for
actual user/installer endorsements and experiences, good or bad. Vendors
Fqirst off, our security group will not allow a direct FTP connection to IBM
for internet delivery.
It's time to document why you need it, and have management duke it out.
Why are PC's 'safer' than the m/f?
Security is only implementing management policy, so if you truly need it, you
should be
I've never seen and SSH based TN3270 client. For secure connections I've
seen TLS/SSL clients.
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 1:40 PM, Gibney, Dave gib...@wsu.edu wrote:
I don't know (never looked) of any SSH TN3270. I would suggest a VPN
tunnel.
Why SSH, TLS/SSL is almost trivial to implement
I just want to add a few comments to Peter Relson's post.
1. The binder and LE: The binder uses LE only to produce the C++ demangled
name/mangled name cross reference in the listing. If LE is not available,
the only consequence is that an informational message is issued and the
report is not
HI,
MFNetDisk emulate now 3490E tape and 3390 disk. Currently the tape format is
very the same like AWS but with more data (TM) in the header to enable fast
access to any label in any tape size.
Yes, I think that if IBM will put in one of their PC, MFNetDisk 3390 disk or
MFNetDisk tape with
How can I get at SWAG on how much CPU will be taken up by
implementing a RACE/SecurityServer Firewall on the mainframe. Currently
the mainframe is inside the communications firewall, but PCI and JSOX
are forcing further considerations. Anyone have personal experiences to
relate, or
I am learning this as I go. As I understand it, SSH supports
higher security levels (management wants this) than SSL/TLS. And SSL
requires Certificate authority and such which management does not want to
pay for. Attachmate website says they can do SSH with their emulator,
so at
snip
wants a SSH based 3270 emulation for accessing mainframe TSO, CICS, and
such apps
unsnip
We're getting sent to the SecureAgent 3270 emulator and it's fairly awful,
so I'd be interest in any emulators that you find.
Jack Kelly
202-502-2390 (Office)
I don't know (never looked) of any SSH TN3270. I would suggest a VPN
tunnel.
Why SSH, TLS/SSL is almost trivial to implement these days, and the
are many SSL TN3280 clients.
Dave Gibney
Information Technology Services
Washington State University
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From: IBM
You do not *have* to pay for an SSL certificate. You can self-sign a
certificate if all you want out of this is encryption.
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 1:57 PM, John Mattson john_matt...@ea.epson.comwrote:
I am learning this as I go. As I understand it, SSH supports
higher security levels
I think SSH can do it. They do it using their SSH Tectia Connector on Windows
product, in conjunction with their SSH product on the mainframe. Reference:
https://www.ssh.com/support/documentation/online/ssh/adminguide-zos/54/Tunneling_TN3270.html
Mark T. Regan, K8MTR
CTO1 USNR-Retired
Bill Klein wrote:
*JUST* on the issue of the Binder API requiring the LE run-time, I have a
question for you (WB)
Were your discussions with STL done before or after Metal-C became
available? It would seem to me (and I certainly could be ENTIRELY wrong on
this), that a SHARE requirement to
Hum, just thinking out loud, here. Shai has MFNetDisk. I wonder how successful
would be a MFNetTape which would emulate a 3490E type drive via TCPIP. The PC
itself would run software where the tape could be in AWS or HET format
(Hercules/P390), FakeTape format (Funsoft - FlexES), or maybe OMA
-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On
Behalf Of John Mattson
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 10:58 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: Need new 3270 emulator: SSH, inexpensive, reliable
I am learning this as I go. As
On 8/25/2009 at 2:27 PM, Gibney, Dave gib...@wsu.edu wrote:
-snip-
I'm not an encryption expert, but I seriously doubt SSH (which has
always seemed flakey to me) is more secure than SSL.
SSH depends on SSL to do its encryption.
Mark Post
It would be nice to have information shared, i.e.; without a hook...no
sales pitch, etc. Some of use work for companies that cant spring for Share...
We had to learn z/OS and its components the old fashioned way. hard school of
knocks
Scott J Ford
mp...@novell.com (Mark Post) writes:
SSH depends on SSL to do its encryption.
SSH SSL both do public key operations
SSL(/TLS) has bunch of stuff in the protocol with (public key) digital
certificates.
SSH protocol doesn't require digital certificates for its public key
operations.
some open
Am I correct in that SSL sends UID and Passwords in the clear, but SSH
does not?
Do not PCI and JSOX require these to be encrypted?
Gibney, Dave gib...@wsu.edu
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08/25/2009 11:29 AM
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No, because the SSL handhake occurs before the TN3270 session is
established.
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 3:32 PM, John Mattson john_matt...@ea.epson.comwrote:
Am I correct in that SSL sends UID and Passwords in the clear, but SSH
does not?
Do not PCI and JSOX require these to be encrypted?
You are not correct. You can make SSL optional and therefore clear if
it is not used, if the connection is secure, all data (including
Userid/password) is encrypted.
Dave Gibney
Information Technology Services
Washington State University
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From: IBM Mainframe
We in MF tech support agree with you. Our manager is not a MF person. Our
security dept. is anal but ONLY handles the MF security. We've been fighting
this battle and losing for years.
From: Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Sent:
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 10:35:18 -0700, John Mattson
john_matt...@ea.epson.com wrote:
... Management ... now wants a SSH based
3270 emulation for accessing mainframe TSO, CICS, and such apps.
...
Uh, something I've missed in the thread so far: What are you
going to talk to? Does some
Greetings:
My shop is converting from Librarian to Endevor.
Librarian today has 255 archive levels at my shop. On our initial
conversion we need a way to pull off all archive levels for my source
programs and store them away some place.
We don't have the Librarian piece for Endevor and
Build different PDS'se with the date in the PDS name, for the different
Librarian Archive levels and then HSM and ENDEVOR can handle it..
VSAM file ? You need to write more code.. and for what..
Anton
Hessong, Keith wrote:
Greetings:
My shop is converting from Librarian to Endevor.
Does anyone use the WHOIS proc that you can provides a users name that is
associated with a USERID? The command that we use is 'TSO WHOIS userid'.
I think that it was written for a 7 character userid, but we have some that are
6 characters. Was wondering if anyone ever fixed this or if
Leona Baumgart stated:
If LE is not available
Uh ... since LE is part of the BCP, how, exactly, would it ever
be not available? I am not disputing that there is, perhaps,
some test that the binder code makes, but I cannot imagine what
that test is.
will re-contact both Chris and William
l...@garlic.com (Anne Lynn Wheeler) writes:
we had been called in to consult with a small client/server startup that
wanted to do payment transactions on their server ... and the startup
had invented this technology called SSL that they wanted to use. As part
of that deployment ... now
John Mattson wrote:
I am learning this as I go. As I understand it, SSH supports
higher security levels (management wants this) than SSL/TLS. And SSL
??? but SSH uses the very same SSL under the covers ... how does it
support higher security levels?
requires Certificate authority
John,
I don't have any idea on how much. But to qualify the usage of the
firewall on the mainframe, if the business Firewall(s) are still in
place and stopping extra erroneous traffic.
There should me minimal CPU usage. Corporate Firewalls on PC servers
don't consume much CPU.
Redbooks:
EXCELLENT Question. The kind on insight I need here.
We use Rumba, running on a Windows server to talk allow 3270 type
communication from users on Windows boxes who need to access our zOS
system, TSO, CICS, and some VTAM apps.
Problem is that PCI and JSOX do not think this is
gib...@wsu.edu (Gibney, Dave) writes:
You are not correct. You can make SSL optional and therefore clear if
it is not used, if the connection is secure, all data (including
Userid/password) is encrypted.
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009m.html#5 Need new 3270 emulator: SSH,
inexpensive,
Your management has been misinformed. Many argue that TLS is the more secure.
Perhaps that's why you see a lot of free SSH ports, but not many free TLS
ports. And yet TLS (certificate based authentication and encryption) is
everywhere.
Just one issue I've noted is that SSH stows its
Whew. Barbara, thanks for the subject change; that was getting ornery.
Chris, I don't think anyone argues the advantages of horizontal scaling and
availability nor Sysplex as the means to provide it within System z. My vote
is for IBM to continue to develop and support it.
I *think* bubbling
Arthur Gutowski wrote:
Merging existing systems is a necessity, and it needs to be staged in
manageable chunks. I think most of the various groups in IBM understand
that (growing pains and scars). As a sysprog's job goes largely unnoticed
(until something goes wrong), more so goes that of
Scott Ford wrote:
I got to snub Scott Ford in Denver. It was an honor. :-)
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Phoenix Software International, Inc
5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800
Los Angeles, CA 90045
310-338-0400 x318
edja...@phoenixsoftware.com
http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/
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geeez , thx :)
Scott J Ford
From: Edward Jaffe edja...@phoenixsoftware.com
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 5:35:32 PM
Subject: Re: SHARE comments
Scott Ford wrote:
I got to snub Scott Ford in Denver. It was an
Hi Scott,
Respectfully, I also work for a company that has sometimes been able to send me
and often, especially lately, not. What I have learned at Share and from the
folks and contacts made there has been priceless. I too have learned a great
deal of what I know from hard old-fas hioned
William Blair wrote:
Until the binder API can function
as a full-fledged system service, it can't be used by any
code that, itself, has to adhere to long-established MVS
integrity and authority guidelines.
That could have been better worded, as follows:
Until the
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 14:35:32 -0700, Edward Jaffe
edja...@phoenixsoftware.com wrote:
Scott Ford wrote:
I got to snub Scott Ford in Denver. It was an honor. :-)
And I got snubbed by Scott Rowe who told me he hadn't been to SHARE
in 9 years. I've also run into some first timers (not zNextGeners
2009-08-25 William H. Blair wmhbl...@comcast.net wrote:
Until the binder API can function as a full-fledged system
service, it can't be used by any code that, itself, has to
adhere to the previously-established and long-recognized
MVS systems integrity and security guidelines.
TSO
I was pleased to attend the SHARE session for the just announced Enterprise
Cobol for z/OS 4.2. I was especially pleased because it has satisfied a
marketing requirement that I submitted (really just pushing for a SHARE
requirement from some years back). That is (quoting from the official
I agree with you. What I have seen of the Share presentation
Hi Linda,
I agree with you. What I have seen of the Share presentations are absolutely
great. I am in high hopes to go to a share and meet some of the Listserv folks.
Unfortuately, I think a lot of folks are stuck the crazy economy and
Yes, I snubbed Mark, and Ed Jaffe, and many others to boot (trying to make up
for lost time). So far I have snubbed Bob Rodgers at least a dozen times ;-)
Mark Zelden mark.zel...@zurichna.com 08/25/09 7:02 PM
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 14:35:32 -0700, Edward Jaffe
edja...@phoenixsoftware.com wrote:
Frank, I didn't know you were here! I am going to have to find you and snub
you, and maybe even answer every question you have about Sysplex - that'll larn
ya!
Frank Swarbrick frank.swarbr...@efirstbank.com 08/25/09 9:14 PM
I was pleased to attend the SHARE session for the just announced
Frank Swarbrick wrote:
I was pleased to attend the SHARE session for the just announced Enterprise Cobol for
z/OS 4.2. I was especially pleased because it has satisfied a marketing requirement that
I submitted (really just pushing for a SHARE requirement from some years back). That is
- Original Message -
From: John Mattson john_matt...@ea.epson.com
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 4:26 PM
Subject: Re: Need new 3270 emulator: SSH, inexpensive, reliable
EXCELLENT Question. The kind on insight I need here.
We use Rumba,
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From: Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 12:50 PM
Subject: Re: Software delivery via internet or tape
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 10:38:39 -0400, Pinnacle wrote:
The timeout issues occur because SMP/E
- Original Message -
From: John Mattson john_matt...@ea.epson.com
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 1:52 PM
Subject: How much CPU will mainframe Firewall cost?
How can I get at SWAG on how much CPU will be taken up by
implementing a
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