AW: WLM : multiple periods not recommended for batch - why?

2012-05-02 Thread Uwe Oswald
Hi Andrew, they are old fashioned since most customers don't need them. This is nothing you will find in a book clearly stated but that's my truth :-). Let me try to explain why. Most customers (I do WLM optimization - and cost reduction-projects in Germany and Switzerland) have most of their

1.12 1.13 JES2 toleration PTF APPLY problem

2012-05-02 Thread Miklos Szigetvari
Hi I have received the UA59435 JES2 toleration PTF , but for the APPLY check I got GIM37903E ** APPLY PROCESSING FAILED FOR SYSMOD UA59435 BECAUSE IT HAS NO APPLICABLE ++VER MCS. Maybe somebody has seen this ? --

Re: 1.12 1.13 JES2 toleration PTF APPLY problem

2012-05-02 Thread saurabh khandelwal
If I am not wrong, it is because of using PTF for wrong version of z/OS , which is not applicable. Please check, if UA59435 is created for the z/OS version you are using. Regards Saurabh On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 2:27 PM, Miklos Szigetvari miklos.szigetv...@isis-papyrus.com wrote: Hi I have

Re: 1.12 1.13 JES2 toleration PTF APPLY problem

2012-05-02 Thread Walter Marguccio
- Original Message - From: Miklos Szigetvari miklos.szigetv...@isis-papyrus.com GIM37903E ** APPLY PROCESSING FAILED FOR SYSMOD UA59435 BECAUSE IT HAS NO APPLICABLE ++VER MCS. looks like the PTF has been applied in the wrong zone. Are you sure you choose the right JES zone ? Walter

Re: 1.12 1.13 JES2 toleration PTF APPLY problem

2012-05-02 Thread Miklos Szigetvari
Hi Thank you, it was not in the selected target, but in another. O.k now, but how can I copy an FMID from one target to another ? On 02.05.2012 11:16, Walter Marguccio wrote: - Original Message - From: Miklos Szigetvarimiklos.szigetv...@isis-papyrus.com GIM37903E ** APPLY

Re: 1.12 1.13 JES2 toleration PTF APPLY problem

2012-05-02 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 2 May 2012 14:41:51 +0530, saurabh khandelwal wrote: If I am not wrong, it is because of using PTF for wrong version of z/OS , which is not applicable. BTDT. It's somewhat irritating that when this happens SMP/E does not list the ++VER MCS appearing in the SYSMOD as an aid to

The old is new again - Not IBM related, but I hope interesting

2012-05-02 Thread McKown, John
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=articleitem=plugable_multiseat_kicknum=1 This is a USB device which can plug into a normal PC running Linux (Fedora 17 is mentioned). You then connect a DisplayLink monitor, USB keyboard and mouse to the device. And you have a multi-user system on a single

Re: AW: WLM : multiple periods not recommended for batch - why?

2012-05-02 Thread Andrew Rowley
On 2/05/2012 6:01 PM, Uwe Oswald wrote: Hi Andrew, they are old fashioned since most customers don't need them. This is nothing you will find in a book clearly stated but that's my truth :-). Let me try to explain why. Most customers (I do WLM optimization - and cost reduction-projects in

Re: The old is new again - Not IBM related, but I hope interesting

2012-05-02 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 2 May 2012 07:00:37 -0500, McKown, John wrote: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=articleitem=plugable_multiseat_kicknum=1 This is a USB device which can plug into a normal PC running Linux (Fedora 17 is mentioned). You then connect a DisplayLink monitor, USB keyboard and mouse to

Re: WLM : multiple periods not recommended for batch - why?

2012-05-02 Thread Tom Marchant
On Tue, 1 May 2012 22:06:55 +0200, Vernooij, CP - SPLXM wrote: In our case, production batch varies from seconds to hours That was my case too. It was several years ago that I was in a shop where I had primary responsibility for performance, but what I found there is that: During the day,

Re: 1.12 1.13 JES2 toleration PTF APPLY problem

2012-05-02 Thread Walter Marguccio
- Original Message - From: Miklos Szigetvari miklos.szigetv...@isis-papyrus.com O.k now, but how can I copy an FMID from one target to another ? Miklos, what do you want to accomplish, exactly ? Why would you want to copy an FMID from one target zone to another ? Walter Marguccio

Re: The old is new again - Not IBM related, but I hope interesting

2012-05-02 Thread McKown, John
Doesn't really say __how__ it works internally. The author simply says that, on Fedora 17, it is truly plug and play. He plugged it into a PC running Fedora and he immediately saw a GDM login screen. He said performance was generally good, except for some HD video from YouTube. This is a

Re: zOS under zVM

2012-05-02 Thread Mary Anne Matyaz
Mark, Here's my doc on the subject... Mary Anne Differences b/w running native LPAR and running as a z/VM guest In a single system: The only issue I’m aware of is some strangeness with your performance monitors. In a SYSPLEX: --A new CFRM policy is required, specifying SIMDEV for the

Re: 1.12 1.13 JES2 toleration PTF APPLY problem

2012-05-02 Thread Miklos Szigetvari
Hi On 02.05.2012 14:59, Walter Marguccio wrote: - Original Message - From: Miklos Szigetvarimiklos.szigetv...@isis-papyrus.com O.k now, but how can I copy an FMID from one target to another ? Miklos, what do you want to accomplish, exactly ? Why would you want to copy an FMID from

Re: 1.12 1.13 JES2 toleration PTF APPLY problem

2012-05-02 Thread Lizette Koehler
Hi I have received the UA59435 JES2 toleration PTF , but for the APPLY check I got GIM37903E ** APPLY PROCESSING FAILED FOR SYSMOD UA59435 BECAUSE IT HAS NO APPLICABLE ++VER MCS. Maybe somebody has seen this ? Typically this means that version of the software (JES2 in

Re: zOS under zVM

2012-05-02 Thread Mark Jacobs
Thanks for confirming my own research on the subject. Regards, Mark Jacobs From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] on behalf of Mary Anne Matyaz [maryanne4...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 9:07 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu

Re: WLM : multiple periods not recommended for batch - why?

2012-05-02 Thread Vernooij, CP - SPLXM
Tom Marchant m42tom-ibmm...@yahoo.com wrote in message news:2739094540663537.wa.m42tomibmmainyahoo@bama.ua.edu... On Tue, 1 May 2012 22:06:55 +0200, Vernooij, CP - SPLXM wrote: In our case, production batch varies from seconds to hours That was my case too. It was several years ago

Re: Java PTF Packaging Error Deletes the Java SDK With RC=0! (See APAR IV05507)

2012-05-02 Thread Mark Zelden
On Tue, 1 May 2012 21:35:52 -0400, Robert A. Rosenberg hal9...@panix.com wrote: At 16:30 -0500 on 05/01/2012, Mark Zelden wrote about Re: Java PTF Packaging Error Deletes the Java SDK With RC=0: It's just extra work and space for managing a PTF that replaces the entire product / unix file

Re: zOS under zVM

2012-05-02 Thread Gary DiPillo
I did not see this mentioned, but, if you use BCPII, it will not be available in your Guest: HWI010I BCPII DOES NOT OPERATE ON A VM GUEST. BCPII INITIALIZATION IS HALTED. If you use BCPII for critical processes you may need a rethink.

Re: Java PTF Packaging Error Deletes the Java SDK With RC=0! (See APAR IV05507)

2012-05-02 Thread Bob Shannon
I'm not saying you, Ed or anyone else shouldn't install Java using SMP/E. I'm just saying I personally don't see a benefit. We support all of the supported Java versions and addressing modes. We just download the code from IBM and don't bother installing with SMPE. For everything else I'm a

Re: 1.12 1.13 JES2 toleration PTF APPLY problem

2012-05-02 Thread Miklos Szigetvari
Hi Thank you for the reply. We have HJE7770 , but for some reason several target zones, and the FMID is not in the traget zone, I tought to be the active one. I think it was a missunderstanding between me and the guy from the IBM who installed z/OS 1.12. After applying in the correct

Re: zOS under zVM

2012-05-02 Thread Mark Jacobs
We don't, yet. It's only used for XCF sysplex partitioning activities. I'll keep it in mind, but I'm not going to worry about it for a DR test. Mark Jacobs From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] on behalf of Gary DiPillo

Re: The old is new again - Not IBM related, but I hope interesting

2012-05-02 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
john.mck...@healthmarkets.com (McKown, John) writes: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=articleitem=plugable_multiseat_kicknum=1 This is a USB device which can plug into a normal PC running Linux (Fedora 17 is mentioned). You then connect a DisplayLink monitor, USB keyboard and mouse to

Re: WLM : multiple periods not recommended for batch - why?

2012-05-02 Thread Tom Marchant
On Wed, 2 May 2012 15:26:54 +0200, Vernooij, CP - SPLXM wrote: Tom Marchant m42tom-ibmm...@yahoo.com wrote in message news:2739094540663537.wa.m42tomibmmainyahoo@bama.ua.edu... WLM manages the service class, not individual jobs. For example, when WLM changes the dispatching priority of a

Re: zOS under zVM

2012-05-02 Thread Scott Ford
Mark, Are you going to a hosting DR recovery site , I.e.; Sungard .. If so, they also usually are pretty good to help out.. Scott Ford Senior Systems Engineer www.identityforge.com On May 2, 2012, at 9:46 AM, Mark Jacobs mark.jac...@custserv.com wrote: We don't, yet. It's only used for XCF

Re: zOS under zVM

2012-05-02 Thread Mark Jacobs
Yes. We've asked them for any FAQ documentation that they might have for setup activities. Mark Jacobs From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] on behalf of Scott Ford [scott_j_f...@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 10:25 AM To:

Programming languages can't have copyright protection, EU court rules

2012-05-02 Thread Mark Regan
Watch for possible URL truncation as it gets wrapped http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9226783/Programming_languages_can_t_have_copyright_protection_EU_court_rules   Thanks, Mark Regan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff

AIX support

2012-05-02 Thread Knutson, Sam
Hi, I would be interested in having an off-line discussion with customers who have responsibility for AIX support. I am especially interested in your experiences using phone support versus electronic support and if you have paid to have an IBM account advocate. Not in my portfolio but I now

Re: The old is new again - Not IBM related, but I hope interesting

2012-05-02 Thread Tomasz Rola
On Wed, 2 May 2012, Paul Gilmartin wrote: On Wed, 2 May 2012 07:00:37 -0500, McKown, John wrote: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=articleitem=plugable_multiseat_kicknum=1 This is a USB device which can plug into a normal PC running Linux (Fedora 17 is mentioned). You then connect a

Re: Jes2 HASX32A - No active USING for operand JCTJCLAS

2012-05-02 Thread Jack Schudel
I looked at member HASX32A in my z/OS 1.10 library, and there are only has 2 references to JCLJCLAS: CLI JCTJCLAS,C'C' JOB CLASS C... 0308 CLI JCTJCLAS,C'D' JOB CLASS D... 0310 I suspect that someone applied a local

How to limit HRECALLs by USER request

2012-05-02 Thread Lizette Koehler
I have not seen a good answer on this, so I thought I would throw this out. We have on occasion users submit 1000's of recalls at one time. They use a variety of processes from TSO Batch HRECALL to a REXX process. Of course this can impact other users who are looking to just get one or two

Re: The old is new again - Not IBM related, but I hope interesting

2012-05-02 Thread DiBianca, Robert
John, I didn't think anyone remembered MP/M-80, let alone what it did! Back in the 80's, I put together MP/M-80 machines and wrote application software for them. We benchmarked our 7-8 user systems and ran better than any DEC multi user system. We were even the first Iomega customer and

Re: old tapes and nostalgia

2012-05-02 Thread Ray Mullins
Bob, please post this information on the Hercules-390 Yahoo group. (You can subscribe to the list without joining Yahoo; contact me offlist if you need more info.) There is also a specific Hercules-OS360 group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hercules-os360/. The reference cards can be

Re: How to limit HRECALLs by USER request

2012-05-02 Thread Hervey Martinez
HSM's CRQ(Common Recall Queue) groups recalls by tape and gives the ability to assign priority to recalls. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Lizette Koehler Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 12:35 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu

Re: How to limit HRECALLs by USER request

2012-05-02 Thread O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C]
You could alter the priority of the recalls of the user submitting 1000s of recalls, see ALTERPRI in the HSM Admin Ref. Ex. TSO HSEND ALTERPRI USERID(USERA) LOW -Original Message- From: Lizette Koehler [mailto:stars...@mindspring.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 12:35 PM To:

Re: How to limit HRECALLs by USER request

2012-05-02 Thread Mike Schwab
When I have done lots of recalls, when a tape is mounted it processes all other pending requests on the same tape before it dismounts the tape. On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 11:35 AM, Lizette Koehler stars...@mindspring.com wrote: deleted For example, if I submit 100 recalls that will actually need 40

Rexx IRXEXCOM reporting insufficient storage -- what storage?

2012-05-02 Thread Charles Mills
I have IRXEXCOM returning a -2 (Processing was not successful. Insufficient storage was available for a requested SET. Processing was terminated. Some of the request blocks (SHVBLOCKs) may not have been processed and their SHVRET bytes will be unchanged.) at a customer site where I have limited

Re: Programming languages can't have copyright protection, EU court rules

2012-05-02 Thread Hal Merritt
I'm not a lawyer and don't pretend to understand the ramifications, but this sounds huge. The result is that the court finds that ideas and principles which underlie any element of a computer program are not protected by copyright under that directive, only the expression of those ideas and

Re: Programming languages can't have copyright protection, EU court rules

2012-05-02 Thread Charles Mills
This is what I was saying (for US law) relative to Oracle's claim that a copyright on the Java specification document protected the functioning of the language described therein. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of

Re: How to limit HRECALLs by USER request

2012-05-02 Thread O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C]
Lizette, You may want to refer to 1.4.3 Processing Priority of Recalls and Deletions in the HSM Stor. Admin. Apparently recalls are not subject to FIFO. -Original Message- From: Lizette Koehler [mailto:stars...@mindspring.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 12:35 PM To:

Re: Does C/LE open of DD:ddname(member) use SVC 99 or FIND?

2012-05-02 Thread Charles Mills
Full samples of deblocking BPAM directory blocks with code? Which program? I don't see any examples in the P/G you linked to either. What am I missing? Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of David Crayford Sent: Tuesday,

Re: Programming languages can't have copyright protection, EU court rules

2012-05-02 Thread Charles Mills
Lots of confusion here. 1. US and EU are of course different. Laws and precedents don't matter much from one to the other. 2. Copyright in the US has never protected programming language specifications, etc. Google Lotus v. Borland, the seminal case, which went all the way to SCOTUS. 3.

Re: How to limit HRECALLs by USER request

2012-05-02 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 2 May 2012 09:35:14 -0700, Lizette Koehler wrote: We have on occasion users submit 1000's of recalls at one time. They use a variety of processes from TSO Batch HRECALL to a REXX process. Of course this can impact other users who are looking to just get one or two datasets back. A

Re: The old is new again - Not IBM related, but I hope interesting

2012-05-02 Thread Mike Schwab
http://plugable.com/products/ The two products are already in production. This kickstarter project is to do 1 large order for a lower unit cost. On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 8:05 AM, McKown, John john.mck...@healthmarkets.com wrote: Doesn't really say __how__ it works internally. The author simply

Re: How to limit HRECALLs by USER request

2012-05-02 Thread Mark Pace
I recall (no pun intended) in an HSM class that grouping recalls by tape volser was the default action of HSM at the 1.11 version if not prior. On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 12:35 PM, Lizette Koehler stars...@mindspring.comwrote: I have not seen a good answer on this, so I thought I would throw this

Re: Programming languages can't have copyright protection, EU court rules

2012-05-02 Thread Charles Mills
Can one replicate the 'look and feel' without copyright issues in the EU now? I might add that look and feel might be subject to copyright protection. Copyright, again, protects *expression.* If I wrote a z/OS system monitor that cleverly displayed the status of started tasks as bouncing balls

Re: The old is new again - Not IBM related, but I hope interesting

2012-05-02 Thread McKown, John
Thanks. I followed the wrong links, I guess. -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets® 9151 Boulevard 26 . N. Richland Hills . TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone . john.mck...@healthmarkets.com . www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail

IBMLink Outage May 4-7

2012-05-02 Thread Edward Jaffe
27 April 2012 This is to inform you that IBMLink will have a planned outage for a system upgrade starting on Friday, May 4th at 9:00 PM MT through Monday, May 7th at 3:00 AM MT. During this time IBMLink will be down. Thank you for your patience and understanding. -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix

Re: IBMLink Outage May 4-7

2012-05-02 Thread Mary Anne Matyaz
Wow. That's...a lot of downtime. :( Do you know if that includes SR? Thanks, MA -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN

Re: IBMLink Outage May 4-7

2012-05-02 Thread Edward Jaffe
On 5/2/2012 11:24 AM, Mary Anne Matyaz wrote: Wow. That's...a lot of downtime. :( Do you know if that includes SR? No idea. The news article is very brief. (See below.) https://www.ibm.com/ibmlink/news/NewsServlet.wss?referrer=newsMaincommand=Getnews_item_id=5446lc=encc=US I agree. It is a

Re: Jes2 HASX32A - No active USING for operand JCTJCLAS

2012-05-02 Thread Quintupray Burgos Alvaro Eligio
Hi, Jack. I so sorry, I was wrong . . . I compiled another EXIT . . I thought It was EXIT32 Excuse me. Thanks. Regards. Alvaro. -Mensaje original- De: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] En nombre de Jack Schudel Enviado el: miércoles, 02 de mayo de 2012

Re: IBMLink Outage May 4-7

2012-05-02 Thread Jerry Whitteridge
I've complained to our IBM account team repeatedly that having IBMLink have down time during the weekend when we have our changes scheduled is a big exposure. I'd love to see them move out of the window most customers have their change windows - maybe other accounts could also raise the issue

QUIESCE

2012-05-02 Thread Bill Hecox
I entered quiesce on z/OS under VM by mistake. How do I get the Virtual Machine going again? I tried B but did not work. I tried RESTART but it asked for a parm. Help -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access

Re: IBMLink Outage May 4-7

2012-05-02 Thread Clark Morris
On 2 May 2012 14:05:30 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: I've complained to our IBM account team repeatedly that having IBMLink have down time during the weekend when we have our changes scheduled is a big exposure. I'd love to see them move out of the window most customers have their

Re: IBMLink Outage May 4-7

2012-05-02 Thread Gibney, Dave
In all the time I've been doing this, I would never have dared ask for outages of this magnitude. The worst I ever was part of was a couple 12-14 hour unexpected weekend days when we didn't have fall back ready. I think that was also the time after VM and before we did a sandbox LPAR, so we did

Re: IBMLink Outage May 4-7

2012-05-02 Thread Pinnacle
On 5/2/2012 5:05 PM, Jerry Whitteridge wrote: I've complained to our IBM account team repeatedly that having IBMLink have down time during the weekend when we have our changes scheduled is a big exposure. I'd love to see them move out of the window most customers have their change windows -

Re: QUIESCE

2012-05-02 Thread George Kozakos
I entered quiesce on z/OS under VM by mistake. How do I get the Virtual Machine going again? Try #cp sys restart Regards, George Kozakos z/OS Software Service, Level 2 Supervisor -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive

Re: IBMLink Outage May 4-7

2012-05-02 Thread Pinnacle
On 5/2/2012 2:25 PM, Mary Anne Matyaz wrote: Wow. That's...a lot of downtime. :( Do you know if that includes SR? Thanks, MA -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to

Re: IBMLink Outage May 4-7

2012-05-02 Thread Pinnacle
On 5/2/2012 2:34 PM, Edward Jaffe wrote: On 5/2/2012 11:24 AM, Mary Anne Matyaz wrote: Wow. That's...a lot of downtime. :( Do you know if that includes SR? No idea. The news article is very brief. (See below.)

Re: IBMLink Outage May 4-7

2012-05-02 Thread Edward Jaffe
On 5/2/2012 3:35 PM, Gibney, Dave wrote: With the new ERP system they are moving us to, scheduled outages of this length are routine. :( but it's better than the working legacy :) Double standard. -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 831 Parkview Drive North El Segundo, CA

Re: IBMLink Outage May 4-7

2012-05-02 Thread Gibney, Dave
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Edward Jaffe Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 4:11 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: IBMLink Outage May 4-7 On 5/2/2012 3:35 PM, Gibney, Dave wrote: With the new ERP system they

Re: IBMLink Outage May 4-7

2012-05-02 Thread Mary Anne Matyaz
Makes you feel good about all that work we've been doing with IBM, doesn't it? You betcha. I think what aggravates me the most is that can still say it's up 24x7, because 'scheduled maintenance windows' don't count. MA -- For

Re: IBMLink Outage May 4-7

2012-05-02 Thread Clark Morris
On 2 May 2012 17:40:01 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: Makes you feel good about all that work we've been doing with IBM, doesn't it? You betcha. I think what aggravates me the most is that can still say it's up 24x7, because 'scheduled maintenance windows' don't count. Maybe those

Re: IBMLink Outage May 4-7

2012-05-02 Thread John Gilmore
IBM should explain what it expects to accomplish during this--on the face of it--absurdly long interval. If IBMLink's deplorable availability will be very much improved after it, this outage may well be justifiable. If not, not. In general, it is time for more transparency about these issues;

Re: Programming languages can't have copyright protection, EU court rules

2012-05-02 Thread Scott Ford
All, So how do you protect code, whatever language you have written in , in business ? Without copyright, doesn't it imply , people can take you source and change it and resell it ...if the gave your source , right ? Scott Ford Senior Systems Engineer www.identityforge.com On May 2, 2012,

Re: Does C/LE open of DD:ddname(member) use SVC 99 or FIND?

2012-05-02 Thread David Crayford
My link was bad! Seems I didn't quite understand how to copy a link in Infocenter! http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/zvm/v5r4/topic/com.ibm.zos.r9.cbcpx01/cbcpg180781.htm#wq1935 On 3/05/2012 1:09 AM, Charles Mills wrote: Full samples of deblocking BPAM directory blocks with code? Which

STCBSST bit of STCBFLG1 of STCB DSECT

2012-05-02 Thread Justin R. Bendich
APAR OA34311 enhances z/OS V1R12 to allow a dispatchable unit (maybe only task?) running in subspace mode to access virtual storage above the 2GB bar. This enhancement was not provided for z/OS V1R11. Our software needs to run on z/OS V1R11, and it sometimes needs to run in subspace mode. We

Re: Programming languages can't have copyright protection, EU court rules

2012-05-02 Thread Mike Schwab
This is not the code. This is the language specification. Someone could write their own version of your product. Then users could buy their application instead of yours and run their programs. On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 9:33 PM, Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com wrote: All, So how do you

Re: Programming languages can't have copyright protection, EU court rules

2012-05-02 Thread Charles Mills
Right. If you wrote a COBOL compiler, you could protect your compiler code under copyright, you could protect your manual, you could protect the layout of your interactive debugger screens. But you can't protect the functionality of the language. I can write my own COBOL compiler, manual, and

Re: Does C/LE open of DD:ddname(member) use SVC 99 or FIND?

2012-05-02 Thread Charles Mills
Aha! Muchas gracias! Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of David Crayford Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 7:37 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Does C/LE open of DD:ddname(member) use SVC 99 or FIND? My link was

STCBSST bit of STCBFLG1 of STCB DSECT

2012-05-02 Thread Jim Mulder
Are there some other pieces of data i should be examin- ing to see whether the current task has subspaces? Tasks do not have spaces. Address spaces have subspaces. I do not see a Programming Interface for determining whether or not an address space has subspaces. Jim Mulder z/OS System

Re: IBMLink Outage May 4-7

2012-05-02 Thread Edward Jaffe
On 5/2/2012 7:27 PM, John Gilmore wrote: IBM should explain what it expects to accomplish during this--on the face of it--absurdly long interval. Absurd indeed! When was the last time one of IBM's mainframe customers enjoyed a 54-hour maintenance/upgrade outage window? I have never seen

Re: Programming languages can't have copyright protection, EU court rules

2012-05-02 Thread Edward Jaffe
On 5/2/2012 7:33 PM, Scott Ford wrote: So how do you protect code, whatever language you have written in , in business ? You must treat it as trade secret information. -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 831 Parkview Drive North El Segundo, CA 90245 310-338-0400 x318

Re: Programming languages can't have copyright protection, EU court rules

2012-05-02 Thread Scott Ford
Charles, Functionality of the language ? Not being dense, but you functionally what the programming language does in the app or functionally what it does, I.e.; read files ,write files, etc.. Scott Ford Senior Systems Engineer www.identityforge.com On May 3, 2012, at 12:15 AM, Charles