Thanks for all the responses. To answer the questions (I think):
CSA in use is the size of the ENF listener load module and some 256 bytes of
working storage from CSA-not a whole lot, but the Started Task that makes the
ENF listener start and stop could potentially be bounced a lot while the
was the salt for that account doesn't help (much), because now you have to hash
every password you're trying against clark.mor...@company.com.
This is why unsalted=bad, as is using the same salt for all the passwords.
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listener registered when one is not needed.
Which approach have you seen? Which is better (and why)?
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of assigned values, to avoid collisions. It's
also not clear that STCK counts as random, since it's monotonically
incrementing-crypto geeks don't like values like that.
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, but it'll sure *look* random.
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, including Fortune 50 and
three of the top ten card processors. Actually, since the masked data is never
seen by any customers, I'm not sure that it would even matter-would it?
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Paul Gilmartin wrote:
So, who won? It doesn't sound as if the climate would admit a compromise?
VM/XA MA begat VM/XA SF begat VM/XA SP, which eventually moved to Endicott, and
became VM/ESA and then z/VM. The core of VM/XA was actually much better than
VM/SP; as a developer I found it much
the code(set )page?
I've done some searching on this, but not found the right book - I keep finding
product books that talk about how to set it *for that product*, which of course
isn't what I'm looking for.
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Paul Gilmartin wrote:
Different from what. Everything is different from something else.
Perhaps different from IBM-1047?
Doh, yeah, sorry. It seemed obvious at the time... - but of course you're
right, it wasn't.
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I mean both globally for the entire system as well as within one or more
databases.
I'm assuming the second set is much larger than the first; it's the first I'm
really interested in.
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was omitted or really passed as zero.
Our API is flexible: if you don't specify an output buffer length, it uses
the input buffer length. But that doesn't want to work in PL/I.
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Steve Comstock wrote:
Ah, so that's what you want it for. But if the output buffer
length is zero, doesn't that tell you to use the input buffer?
And if an argument is omitted, it will appear as zero, right?
I mean, why else would you pass a buffer length of zero?
Because users make mistakes? I
Steve Comstock wrote:
I'm confused here, because the title of the thread
is 'C calling HLASM' and here we are talking about
PL/I.
Yeah, true...topic drift. Renamed.
So what's really going on here that is the mystery?
My guess is: you have a C function that you want to
call from, in this
Frank Swarbrick suggested using a CALL instead of a function.
I'll try that; I'm not sure it's an acceptable change to the usage, but thanks.
I'm off after today for surgery for a herniated disc, so might be a while.
Still find it hard to believe that PL/I makes this so hard!
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From: Phil Smith
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To: ibm-main@bama.ua.edu
Subject: RE: Re: LE C calling HLASM
Steve Comstock wrote:
Ah, so that's what you want it for. But if the output buffer
length is zero, doesn't that tell you to use
Steve Comstock wrote:
re whether we'll expect customers to be running Enterprise PL/I:
And the answer is?
Oops...meant to answer this. Um...I guess whatever's current was my
assumption. Are the older compilers supported?
Re our C prototype:
Do you really have the ellipsis? If so, my reading
of
Steve Comstock wrote:
Umm... that doesn't show the COBOL call, nor the Assembler call
those are what I was wanting to see, to compare them to your
PL/I invocations
? COBOL is basically the same, don't have assembler handy but that's even
easier:
call THEFUNCTION using inbuffer inlength inbuffer
Steve Comstock wrote:
But I would like to see the code you use to test the high bit, please.
Nothing proprietary, just informative
OK, something like this:
L R2,0(,R8)
TM0(R8),X'80'
BOLASTPARM
? Pretty basic...
Steve Comstock wrote:
Yes. But that's Assembler. I thought the called routine
was C, and you were testing the parms passed in the C
routine. Is that not true? Are there more layers here?
Yes, there are lots of layers, it's a mixture of assembler and C, sorry. The
point is, we're confident that
Steve Comstock wrote:
Slipperier and slipperier. OK, let's try a different approach:
You tell me exactly what you want to see from the PL/I routine calling
your API and I'll see if I can cause PL/I to construct that.
In other words, your routine will see
(R1) -
rc =
Bernd Oppolzer wrote:
I don't know if it helps you, but using C I would code the two calls this way:
rc = THEFUNCTION (magic, inputbuffer,inputlength, NULL, NULL);
Exactly backwards-the idea here is to NOT be obscure, but to have a nice,
flexible, intuitive API. Having to specify null
they were omitted or
specified as zero.
Ideas??
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Is there a reliable way to tell we were called by PL/I? If so, we could ignore
zeroes for PL/I. And document it. ISTR there being a magic fullword in the
savearea for PL/I?
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So if you can't use LIST with LINKAGE(SYSTEM), how is the called routine
supposed to know the end of the plist?
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Steve Comstock wrote:
On 3/23/2012 2:57 PM, Phil Smith wrote:
Now for the next question: this allows us to implement variable parameter
lists in C, by declaring the functions thus:
int SOMEFUNCTION(char *someparm, ...);
Is there an equivalent way to do this in PL/I?
In the declare
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Scott Ford wrote:
Had a Hasp RJE like that John, everytime it rained there were strange
creatures on the phone lines...of course the standard phone company reply was
classic, no problems here and the problems always disappeared.
I'm certainly no apologist for Big Phone, but have to relate a
, the architecture is software, go figure).
But yeah, it's confusing. IBM should have a TLA Czar, and an ETLA Czar
(obviously different people for no apparent reason!) who must rule on all such
acronyms.
Yes, I'm kidding about the last...
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When writing an LC C program that calls an HLASM function, the last element of
the parameter list does not have the high-order bit set. Is there an option to
force it to do so? We can't seem to find one?!
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this in PL/I?
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, LOWercase or
UPPercase would fix it easily enough.
Those were the days!
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I should have noted that NULL, NONE, et al. are valid, so we can't really use
any of them. Something like *NONE would work, but is also pretty ugly.
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Thanks to all who responded. I'm convinced. quote quote it is!
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the global default. One of
us feels that the double quote is ugly and error-prone.
Based on the collective wisdom of the centuries, what *feels* right to you?
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Anyone have an example of an ENF listener that works? We're having a devil of a
time getting one going (ENF Event Code 37, SMF listener). We can get it loaded
in CSA but it never gets woken up!
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Jim Mulder wrote:
If you have IPCS for z/OS 1.13, and a dump which includes
CSA, you can do
VERBX IEFENFVX '37' (displays listeners for event code 37)
or
VERBX IEFENFVX (displays listeners for all event codes)
Well, I don't...and not clear how that would help me? Or are you suggesting
that
Kees Vernooij wrote:
That confirms my other translation and answers my question about this term for
sheep.
Since your name and domain look Dutch, you might be interested in the etymology:
Origin:
before 900; Middle English fold, fald, Old English fald, falod; akin to Old
Saxon faled pen,
John Gilmore wrote:
There is thus no excuse for any use of an STCK instruction in NEW
code. Old code is a different matter, If it is judged that there is
NO possibility that it will still be in use in 2042, STCKs in it need
not be replaced. Otherwise they should be.
How about code that's
Barry Merrill wrote:
6. I plan to be here to observe the wrap; I'll be 101+six months in Sept
2042.
And MXG will still be running, I'm sure! What version will it be by then? Will
the operating system still be called z/OS? If so, will it be Version 1
Release 43? What will the hardware be known
It's been a while since I did an STCK and looked at the results. ISTR that the
last five or so nibbles were always zero; now they aren't. I assume that's
added granularity to reduce repeated timestamps from STCKs close together (on
the same processor), though still perhaps not enough to avoid
Steve Finch wrote:
From info we have gotten, I believe that the z800 does not have it's CCF
(Feature code 800) enabled (configured). CCFs were no cost features but you
could order a z800 without it.
Ah. So it's (sort of) like CPACF. I made the assumption that CCF meant the 4764
or whatever it
really sound to me like z/OS is the problem here.
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Ed Finnell wrote:
I've used Theirry Falissard's MIPS thingy for about 15 yrs.
Hm. That seems wrong for current machines, based on the fact that it reports
171 MSUs on a 1631-MSU box (the comment about I did not verify whether it is
still OK for recent 9672 machines... is also a bit worrisome!).
David Booher wrote:
From other posts I've seen on the list, the initialization of the CKDS and
PKDS all fail with a return code of 12. My question is: Can you still run
CSF with empty datasets and no crypto processor and still expect it to offer
any SSL ciphers?
Yes. SSL has nothing to do
Steve Finch wrote:
Without a CCF (cryptographic processor) on a z800, you are very limited in
what ciphers you can use. You can use 'NULL-SHA' and 'NULL-MD5' ciphers.
That's it. Your client must be configured to accept and use one of these two
ciphers to connect with DB2's Secure SSL on your z800.
OK, trivia time:
What IBM device had *13* PF keys?
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David Booher clipped some incomprehensible errors from SSL:
Wow. Opaque and obdurate. However:
this usually indicates a cipher suite could not be negotiated between the
client and the server during the cipher suite exchange phase in the SSL
handshake suggests to me that it isn't that the client
Tom Simons wrote, in part:
ICSF will work on the z800 without crypto hardware.
Right, but that wasn't his question. He's asking about specific SSL/TLS
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How about this as a QD solution:
/* REXX */
rct = c2d(storage(d2x(c2d(storage(d2x(c2d(storage(10, 4))+604), ,
4))+228), 4))
say 'CEC MSU capacity='c2d(storage(d2x(rct+32), 4))';' ,
'defined LPAR MSU capacity='c2d(storage(d2x(rct+28), 4))
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So if a customer doesn't know the MSU capacity of an LPAR, what's the easiest
way to find out? I know, their billing folks SHOULD know, but they're
apparently on a different planet. Some RMF report?
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So it appears the app that's calling the EXEC as an exit is doing some magic
of its own, I guess, since it works without the IRXJCL hack. And I didn't
post the example because it's called as an exit and thus it didn't seem
relevant (although if I had, y'all would have surely seen the dumb error
Anyone ever gotten inline Rexx to work from JCL? I have a program that
invokes a Rexx exit, but the exit is so simple that it seems like I should
be able to just do a //SYSEXEC DD * and go from there. Alas, I get:
IRX0110I The REXX exec cannot be interpreted.
IRX0112I The REXX exec cannot be
as a test that I realized my error. (And no, Rexx doesn't have to be
PO.)
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And you don't even need the leading /* REXX */ on the Rexx, which avoids
some hassles with EOD.
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and so is USPS!), and this is one clear example.
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Pearce, Colin E wrote:
UserKey 9 can write into CICSKey 8? that cannot be correct as all DFH
modules would be up for overwriting. Where would integrity be?
Key 9 is the Open key, in that any transaction running in any other key can
write into Key 9, but NOT the other way round.
S0C4 will
We solved this. Our calling sequence is somewhat complex: our processing is
going to block, so we need to get off the QR. So we have a two-level call:
the user transaction calls our first-level program, which does an EXEC CICS
LINK to the second-level program, which is defined OPENAPI and
CICS uses a hardware facility called Storage Protection Override to allow
key 9 to store into key 8 (but not vice versa). This is enabled on CICS
startup via a parm in the SIT.
How can an APF-authorized program enable this same facility for itself?
Can't seem to find a macro or equivalent.
I wrote:
CICS uses a hardware facility called Storage Protection Override to allow
key 9 to store into key 8 (but not vice versa). This is enabled on CICS
startup via a parm in the SIT.
How can an APF-authorized program enable this same facility for itself?
Can't seem to find a macro or
As expected:
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Ed Finnell wrote:
These things take on religious zeal pretty quickly. I was having a pretty
good tussle with the VMer's in our shop about ISPF under VM and they wrote
some real poison pen memos to the PHB's. Guess the silencer was we did a
little tour and they were all using Qedit or what ever
Farley, Peter wrote, in part:
There is no version of XEDIT available in any form (or wasn't the last time
I checked, anyway). XEDIT only came with VM/SP2 and up, I believe.
VM/SP Release 1. Not that it matters, but the gods of historical correctness
must be appeased!
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Stephen Powell wrote:
Yes, I remember that. But there was a full-screen 3270 editor similar to
XEDIT available with VM/370 release 6 called EDGAR. I think it was
an add-on product. I don't think it was part of VM/370.
Yes, Edgar was an add-on product. It was somewhat similar to XEDIT in a lot
Tom Conley wrote:
Supposably the 9-digit number out the backdoor was the safeguard against
discovering the backdoor. I'm just glad that the way he found the data was
real, and not Jacob whispering into Linus's ear. It is a cool use of
analytics, and a verification that just because I'm paranoid
Carl Edgren wrote about a certificate error on IBMLink and busted links on
IBM sites.
A colleague was once at a meeting of fairly high-level IBMers, one of whom
owned IBMLink. She asked, So, what do you think of the IBMLink interface?
and he said, It looks like each screen was designed by a
The new series Person of Interest revolves around a shadowy tech geek who
recruits an ex-CIA, ex-Army Ranger to solve crimes. See, the geek built the
machine for the US government to perform analytics against all the
surveillance data being collected. Only problem is, the machine *also* finds
So I'm confused. We don't really know what it stands for?
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Ok, I'll probably be sorry I opened this can of worms, but: WTF does ARM stand
for on FORCE ARM? If you're wrong, they'll cut one off? Short for
strongARM? ARMy grade? alARM? All Right Mom?
Did some searching, no joy. No fair Googling *including the string that you
already know it stands for*
Thanks. That wasn't nearly as interesting as I'd hoped, but at least my
curiosity got satisfied!
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So it included 9370s and P/390s and the like, and even IBM didn't think it was
very real at the time.
I consistently hear numbers in the 5K-10K range, but everyone's guessing (and
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DanD wrote:
I hope you weren't intentionally insulting a nation during your pissing
match.
Oh, no, my humblest apologies -- of course you might quite reasonably read
it that way. I grew up there, so was thinking of color/colour center/centre
etc., not intending to insult anyone!
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Stephen Y Odo wrote:
I know I'm coming in kinda late to this ... my apologies ... i don't read
this list as often as I'd like ...
but ... I thought the OS was still MVS ... and z/OS was a package that
included MVS and a bunch of components (DFSMShsm, RACF, etc.) ...
Now that's an interesting
Ted MacNeil wrote:
I never said that!
Hence, nonsequitor!
Or worse: strawman.
OK, so what were you suggesting? That's how I interpreted what you said. I
asked you to elucidate; I never said that really doesn't do so. I'd really
*like* to grok what you're saying. As I noted, what I wrote was meant
Ted MacNeil wrote:
I said MVS.
You said Model-T vs Taurus as a misrepresentation of what I said: what's
the difference?
If that's not a strawman, what is it?
It's an analogy. Read up on it. Take a basic logic course.
PS: a few others have pointed out that MVS is still an essential component
of
Anyone read this? I have PC kids I work with who are likely to read it,
wonder what others thought. I read the pages Amazon would let me preview,
and it didn't seem horrible, though it loses points for being published in
2008 and calling System z zSeries. But who knows, he may have been working
on
Ted MacNeil wrote, re zSeries vs. System z:
What's wrong with that?
I still call it MVS!
Ok, but it's not MVS any more. Do you drive a Model T? Is your desktop a
486? Do you run Windows 95?
Sure, it's a nit. I freely admit that. But System z implies functionality
that zSeries does not,
Ted MacNeil wrote:
Look at a lot of the manuals from IBM!
MVS is in the title.
OK, that intrigued me, so I looked at the 1.12 z/OS library
(http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/z/os/zos/bkserv/r12pdf/).
Out of 384 books, 73 have MVS in the title. However, of those, only 11
don't *also* have z/OS --
Steve Gentry wrote:
Phil, what's your concern with it being called a zSeries?
I thought IBM labeled it as such.
The z900, z800, z990, and z890 were zSeries machines. With the advent of the
z9 in 2005, the zSeries name was retired, and the z9, z10, and zEnterprise
are System z machines instead.
Shmuel Metz wrote:
RDP? Why not X?
Presumably because requiring each client to add an X server was seen as higher
impact than asking them to use something built into Windows...
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The most current information that's come out of Birmingham is in this
article:
www.mainframezone.com/it-management/windows-and-other-x86-operating-systems-
on-system-z
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Wondering when the last card reader died. We had one at University of Waterloo
until 1984 or 1985; we had a full professor who insisted on using cards. We
finally told him he'd have to pay the maintenance-that convinced him (or, more
likely, his Dean) that it was time to use terminals.
What's
out of SMP/E from a ++MOD?
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On 27 July 2011 07:22, Phil Smith p...@voltage.com wrote:
We've been going around in circles with the prelinker. Let me
I just got a note from an IBMer to whom I had also written; the short version
of his answer is No can do. So we may have to just ship the .OBJECT library
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We've been going around in circles with the prelinker. Let me start by stating
that my understand of all of this is weak, so while I'll make assertions below,
each should be logically prefixed with I think... or My current
understanding is IOW, no flames if they're wrong please!
We have an
Chuck Arney wrote:
It's okay Phil. You're a VM guy at heart, learning his way around on
z/OS. We understand. The problem is that most of the people on this
list have been maintaining large MVS systems for a long time, and they
believe that people asking questions here have the same experience.
I have a Started Task with the following output DDs:
//SYSOUT DD SYSOUT=*
//SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=*
//VSHDEBUG DD SYSOUT=*
The task also dynamically allocates a log file as SYS1.
When it's running, I can see the output in all four of them. When I end the
Started Task, the
Walt Farrell wrote:
Actually, the OP stated nothing about the other DDs; he addressed only
VSHDEBUG and SYS0001, so we don't know what happened (if anything) to the
others.
Logically we know they must be gone, too, and logically we know that SYS0001
was allocated with a different sysout class
I asked:
When I'm looking at a queue in SDSF, what does it mean when a job
output is highlighted? It seems almost random, but I'm sure it isn't!
Roger Bolan replied:
I see this on output queues when the job is selected for an active printer.
Is that what you mean?
And Gibney, Dave added:
When I'm looking at a queue in SDSF, what does it mean when a job output is
highlighted? It seems almost random, but I'm sure it isn't!
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From a program, how can I find out the SYSOUT class of a JES-owned data set?
For example, given:
SYSOUT DD SYSOUT=x
How can a program find out what x is?
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On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 4:04 PM, Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca wrote:
Webster's on a dictionary has no significance - it's just an attempt to
cadge some legitimacy by invoking Noah Webster's name). Try AHD or OED (both
of which do support the usage).
Dictionaries do NOT support usage!
They
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