I understand certain invitations are about to be issued. They won't have
crinkly edges,
engraved lettering and gold blocking, though.
I think Americans call them 'subpoenas'.
--
Phil Payne
http://www.isham-research.co.uk
+44 7833 654 800
I think Americans call them 'subpoenas'.
I thought Brits called them 'summonses'?
Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:43:00 +
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: It keeps getting uglier
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
I understand certain invitations are about to be issued. They won't have
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 01/07/2008
at 03:51 PM, (IBM Mainframe Discussion List) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
said:
There was also LCS (Large Capacity Storage, Low Cost Storage, bulk
storage) in the late 1960s that could move a double-word aligned field
much faster than with regular storage,
Faster?
In a message dated 12/29/2007 2:13:19 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Documented or not, DIAG is heavily used, both in IBM and non-IBM code.
One example: I don't remember the CPU model, but in 1987 I studied the
microfiche for the various initialization modules
In a message dated 12/31/2007 2:13:53 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
When processors srarted to include High-Speed Buffers, now commonly called
cache, any published timings became very difficult to determine. When
memory references were simple real memory
At 02:51 PM 1/7/2008, you wrote:
...
There was also LCS (Large Capacity Storage, Low Cost Storage, bulk storage)
in the late 1960s that could move a double-word aligned field much faster than
with regular storage, thus adding another variable not accounted for in any
instruction timing
In a message dated 12/31/2007 12:25:48 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
IIRC, the various S/360 instruction timings were in a manual called
Functional Characteristics. The various DIAGNOSE code might have been
included there, since the manual was model dependant.
snip-
On the S/360, selecting which stacker in which to stack cards after they are
read or punched is an option with the CCW command code, and is described in
the hardware manual for that device or control unit rather than in the
PoOps.
On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 14:25:36 -0500, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote:
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 12/31/2007
at 02:13 PM, Tom Marchant [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
When processors srarted to include High-Speed Buffers, now commonly
called cache,
I don't recall seeing high speed buffer in print until
Nice argument but do you have any law firbidding reverse engineering to make
compatible products ? Patents are the only legal
There are also trade secrets and intellectual property, where all you have to
do is prove you tried to protect.
-
Too busy driving to stop for gas!
Nice argument but do you have any law firbidding reverse engineering to
make compatible products ? Patents are the only legal instrument that would
deny such a competetion. When no patents are involved it's a fair game. Even
when patents are involved they can be challanged for specificity,
-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
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Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 3:08 PM
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Subject: Re: It keeps getting uglier
Nice argument but do you have any law firbidding reverse engineering to
make
On Jan 3, 2008, at 3:29 PM, Thompson, Steve wrote:
-SNIP--
So it is not quite that simple.
And all arguments to the contrary, IBM did license their patents,
and so
they did BILLIONS of dollars of research. They chose (up to the point
Reminds me of a quote I saw regarding the San Jose light rail system:
Trains coming from where no one lives, going to places no one wants
to go to
I think I'll replace my car with a train that can better get my
groceries from far away farms. Or maybe use the trains as a back-end
On 31 Dec 2007 12:45:20 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote:
Twenty years ago, I got a Macintosh SE, in large part so my
girlfriend could write her doctoral dissertation in music.
Would I have taken an s/370 (XA?) at the time for personal
use?. Not if it were free; not if it were in a
Paul Gilmartin wrote:
could. But would it happen? Is z/OS at any price a preferred
instructional platform? How relevant to mainstream computer
science is teaching students to code DD statements for CKD DASD
when the view of many sophisticated readers of this list is
that CKD should be
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 12/31/2007
at 02:45 PM, Paul Gilmartin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Wouldn't we each still need another computer,
or at least a partition on the same one, for Email,
No.
document preparation,
No.
access to IBMLink,
No.
etc.?
Some yes, some no.
--
Shmuel
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 12/31/2007
at 03:11 PM, Ed Gould [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Its been at least 30 years I will yield to your memory.
I seem to have interchanged specifications with characteristics.
I just remember it giving me a blow by blow description on the
format of the
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 12/31/2007
at 02:13 PM, Tom Marchant [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
When processors srarted to include High-Speed Buffers, now commonly
called cache,
I don't recall seeing high speed buffer in print until long after
cache was common.
any published timings became very
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 12/31/2007
at 03:20 PM, Ed Gould [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
To refresh my memory was the 370 the first public machine that used
the HSB?
Not even the first from IBM, unless you consider the 360/85 to be a S/370
in drag.
--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and
On 2 Jan 2008 13:00:09 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stephen Y Odo)
wrote:
I think that's an extreme view. I don't think anybody is thinking of
replacing Windows or MacOS or Linux on the desktop with z/OS. But why
not z/OS as a back-end server?
I think I'll replace my car with a train that can
On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 16:56:06 -0600, Doc Farmer wrote:
Further, as users I think we could make the argument that IBM's actions are
anti-competitive both to the principals of the case as well as to small
development shops and educational facilities.
I'm not a lawyer either, so my opinion is
--snip---
.Is z/OS at any price a preferred instructional platform? How
relevant to mainstream computer science is teaching students to code DD
statements for CKD DASD when the view of many sophisticated readers of
this list is that CKD should be
---snip
To refresh my memory was the 370 the first public machine that used the
HSB? My memory says yes but as we have seen the POPS and FUNC manual
are indeed different. There were quite a few machines I had no exposure
to like the 44 and the 67
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thompson, Steve) writes:
WANG with their WANG/VS systems came up with an idea that would have met
your problem. The workstations had a button
On Jan 1, 2008, at 7:59 AM, Rick Fochtman wrote:
---snip
To refresh my memory was the 370 the first public machine that
used the HSB? My memory says yes but as we have seen the POPS and
FUNC manual are indeed different. There were quite a few
On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 07:35:36 -, Phil Payne [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RESEARCH.FREESERVE.CO.UK wrote:
http://www.sva.de/files/RZ_SVA%20z%20Hosting_web.pdf
This is the first example I've seen of a hosting service designed specifically
for ISVs.
Other, that is, than IBM's - and some ISVs may have
/2007v.html#98 It keeps getting uglier
not just me:
http://www-03.ibm.com/ibm/history/history/year_1968.html
from above:
Additions to System/360 family are announced, including the Model
85. The high-speed cache, or buffer memory, found in the System/360
Model 85, is the first in the industry. The cache
On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:05:53 -0600, Eric Bielefeld eric-
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But, I suspect that many of the customers had larger mainframes, and are
just in a holding pattern trying to get off of z/OS. The way IBM is
treating their small customers, I'm sure that will increase the speed of
On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 17:31:16 -0500, John P. Baker wrote:
I know that there are a lot of people who disagree with IBM in its ongoing
dispute with PSI, but I feel that IBM is on solid ground. PSI didn't spend
tens of billions of dollars on RD. IBM did. IBM should not have to give
the fruits of
xxx didn't pay for the RD. We did.
Methinks that we (the consumers etc) pretty much always pay for RD one
way or another. Even benevolent individuals acquired their wealth from
others somehow.
Roger Bowler wrote:
On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 17:31:16 -0500, John P. Baker wrote:
I know that there are a lot of people who disagree with IBM in its ongoing
dispute with PSI, but I feel that IBM is on solid ground. PSI didn't spend
tens of billions of dollars on RD. IBM did. IBM should not have
Someone Wrote... I just lost track...
S/390-based technology is critical to the functioning of our society.
IBM
does not have the right to keep society-critical technology secret,
nor to
hold society to ransom by preventing competitors from producing
compatible
systems.
I don't think there
Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Roger Bowler
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 5:14 AM
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The money which IBM spent on RD came from the sales of mainframe computers
to the companies which run the banking
31, 2007 09:44
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: It keeps getting uglier
All RD is paid for by the consumer in the end. So what?
IBM has not made hardware or software unavailable. US patent law provides
for a term of exclusivity. IBM is enforcing the legitimate rights afforded
to then under
things.
John P. Baker
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Doc Farmer
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 9:51 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: It keeps getting uglier
Your point is valid, but WHY would IBM want to shut out
-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf
Of Doc Farmer
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 9:51 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: It keeps getting uglier
Your point is valid, but WHY would IBM want to shut out this part of the
market? One
PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Doc Farmer
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 10:10 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: It keeps getting uglier
I believe you're correct on IBM's legal position - up to a point. But when
they
provided that information previously for development of the software, did
Interesting argument, kind of reminds of an exchange in the movie Godfather:
Tatalia : ... I'm talking about all the politicians he carrys in his pocket ...
Barzini : ... He must let us draw the water from the well ... off course Don
Corleone can present a bill for his services. We are not
Then, why are the 31-bit licenses also being affected?
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Of John P. Baker
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 10:27
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
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No, IBM has not weakened
10:31 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: It keeps getting uglier
Then, why are the 31-bit licenses also being affected?
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Roger,
Thank you for posting the 2 articles below. I found them very interesting
and informative. This whole issue is very controversial. Legally, I
certainly can't comment as I don't know the law involved. It just seems to
me that it would be in IBM's best interests to have PSI and
On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 09:10:05 -0600, Doc Farmer wrote:
I really wish that the USERS (that's us) were able to file an amicus curiae
brief
so that OUR wishes are heard and rights protected.
I'd like to read more about what rights we think we have in this. It seems
pretty clear-cut to me. IBM
On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 09:44:26 -0500, John P. Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
You seem to suggest that if an invention is of great benefit to society the
rights of the patent holder should be held null and void.
The founding fathers felt differently, and more than 200 years of
jurisprudence have
---snip---
Its been a LONG time... But IIRC the 360/30 POPS had at least some of
them (I presume not all). I ran across them by accident. When I was
helping to optimize someone else's code on the 1419 . The damn machine
had a timing issue and you had to make
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Subject: Re: It keeps getting uglier
On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 09:44:26 -0500, John P. Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Um, well... Sections 181-188 of the US patent act provide for just about
what you say can't happen. The US government can not only take your
invention, but can suppress
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 12/31/2007
at 01:48 AM, Doug Fuerst [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
I don't think so.
Unless of course the Senior IBM factory reps didn't know either. I think
they knew where to look.
The CE manuals for the 2030, 2040, 2050 and 2065 were all available to the
general public,
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 12/31/2007
at 12:38 AM, Ed Gould [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Shmuel:
Its been a LONG time... But IIRC the 360/30 POPS
There was no 360/30 POPS.
had at least some of them
That would be Functional Specifications, FETOM and the like, not POPS.
The book actually had
On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 07:31:53 -0500, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote:
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on
12/31/2007
at 12:38 AM, Ed Gould [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
The book actually had instruction timing specifics for each
instruction.
If you look at the Functional Specifications for several models, you
On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 09:50:34 -0500, Doc Farmer wrote:
Your point is valid, but WHY would IBM want to shut out this part of the
market? One of the big things I keep hearing/reading is that there are
concerns that not enough mainframe-trained students are coming out of
colleges or trade schools
On Dec 31, 2007, at 6:31 AM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote:
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 12/31/2007
at 12:38 AM, Ed Gould [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Shmuel:
Its been a LONG time... But IIRC the 360/30 POPS
There was no 360/30 POPS.
Its been at least 30 years I will yield to your memory.
On Dec 31, 2007, at 2:13 PM, Tom Marchant wrote:
--SNIP-
When processors srarted to include High-Speed Buffers, now commonly
called
cache, any published timings became very difficult to determine. When
memory references were simple real memory references, the time
On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 22:28:22 -, Phil Payne wrote:
PSI has also filed its anti-trust suit in the EU. Dearly beloved DG IV is a
little different
from the New York District Court - it has teeth that it's not afraid to use.
http://ww.isham-research.co.uk/ibm-vs-psi-amended.html
Has anyone
/pdf/ibm/360/poo/
past posts in thread:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007v.html#21 It keeps getting uglier
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007v.html#68 It keeps getting uglier
for other drift, directory of some 360 FE manuals
http://bitsavers.org/pdf/ibm/360/fe
-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 2:45 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: It keeps getting uglier
SNIPAGE
could. But would it happen? Is z/OS at any price a preferred
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ed Gould) writes:
To refresh my memory was the 370 the first public machine that used
the HSB? My memory says yes but as we have seen the POPS
Darren, please come back.
Bob Shannon
Rocket Software
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On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 16:50:42 -0500, Thompson, Steve wrote:
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 2:45 PM
could. But would it happen? Is z/OS at any price a preferred
instructional
This thread is getting kind of ugly!
Eric Bielefeld
Sr. z/OS Systems Programmer
Milwaukee, Wisconsin
414-475-7434
- Original Message -
From: Bob Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Darren, please come back.
Bob Shannon
Rocket Software
On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:39:16 -0600, Dave Kopischke
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 09:10:05 -0600, Doc Farmer wrote:
I really wish that the USERS (that's us) were able to file an amicus curiae
brief
so that OUR wishes are heard and rights protected.
I'd like to read more about
. At least you provide positive information.
Ed
past posts in thread:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007v.html#21 It keeps getting uglier
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007v.html#68 It keeps getting uglier
for other drift, directory of some 360 FE manuals
http://bitsavers.org/pdf/ibm/360/fe
How do you figure that reverse engineering is an acceptable method of
RD or design? Reverse engineering is an easy way to replicate a
design. Since the company creating the product, in this case IBM,
spent millions developing the machine, they would be entitled to some
exclusivity. How fair is
On Dec 31, 2007, at 6:34 PM, Doug Fuerst wrote:
How do you figure that reverse engineering is an acceptable method
of RD or design? Reverse engineering is an easy way to replicate a
design. Since the company creating the product, in this case IBM,
spent millions developing the machine,
LOL, yes they do. But here in Brooklyn we have many bagel places.
They all make them differently and have distinct tastes. I wonder if
one of them is buying on the sly from one of the others and is trying
to make them the same as the guy who makes the best? They protect
their recipes, and I
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Doug Fuerst) writes:
How do you figure that reverse engineering is an acceptable method of
RD or design? Reverse engineering is an easy way to
On Dec 31, 2007, at 7:18 PM, Doug Fuerst wrote:
LOL, yes they do. But here in Brooklyn we have many bagel places.
They all make them differently and have distinct tastes. I wonder
if one of them is buying on the sly from one of the others and is
trying to make them the same as the guy who
At 09:39 + on 12/29/2007, Phil Payne wrote about It keeps getting uglier:
Some agencies (governments, defence departments, etc.) require
vendors to supply FULL documentationn on any products delivered. IMO
that would include the trade secret stuff. Someone needs to find a
jurisdiction
and other confidential business
information.
John P. Baker
-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Robert A. Rosenberg
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 4:05 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
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I think you might
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 12/27/2007
at 11:16 PM, Doug Fuerst [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
You bet Ed. I learned things about diagnose that I never saw written
down
Perhaps you looked in the wrong places.
--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT
ISO position; see
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 12/28/2007
at 10:10 AM, Rick Fochtman [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
The most basic description was present, but all it really said was
machine dependant.
That's really all that they could say, except for the caveats.
I, for one, would like to see more detail,
Be careful
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 12/27/2007
at 09:53 PM, Ed Gould [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
I could be wrong but I think he is talking about the undocumented
option codes that a diagnose could *really* do.
There may be many such on current processors, but can you cite any in the
1960's?
--
On Dec 30, 2007, at 7:58 PM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote:
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 12/27/2007
at 09:53 PM, Ed Gould [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
I could be wrong but I think he is talking about the undocumented
option codes that a diagnose could *really* do.
There may be many such on
I don't think so.
Unless of course the Senior IBM factory reps didn't know either.
I think they knew where to look.
Doug
Snip
Perhaps you looked in the wrong places.
--
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Doug Fuerst
Consultant
BK Associates
Brooklyn, NY
(718) 921-2620 (Office)
John P. Baker wrote:
In respect to the subsequent statement perhaps I should have said that I do
not expect any competent IT management group permitting its use.
Documented or not, DIAG is heavily used, both in IBM and non-IBM code.
And, since z990, basic mode is no longer supported. So,
There is no need to speculate on the 1956 Consent Decree - its status and both
parties'
opinions of it are documented in the filings. Sometimes I wonder why I bother.
See http://www.isham-research.co.uk/ibm-vs-psi-amended.html and use your
browser's search to
find 'Consent Decree'. Note
On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 09:39:48 -, Phil Payne wrote:
Some agencies (governments, defence departments, etc.) require vendors to
supply FULL
documentationn on any products delivered. IMO that would include the trade
secret stuff.
Someone needs to find a jurisdiction where this rule is
On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 01:14:48 -0500 Gerhard Postpischil [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
:On the 360/40, I used diagnose for two functions - one was to
:rewind all tapes, open the windows, and power them down;
That was not via a CCW?
Or did the 360/40 I/O work very differently?
--
Binyamin Dissen
http://www.isham-research.co.uk/ibm-vs-psi-amended.html amended again.
I also understand Sam Palmisano might be asked (!) to make a deposition to the
Court in the
next couple of weeks. Although it looks like these cases take months longer
than they should,
it's actually a pretty frenetic
to that unpublished documentation, may negatively impact the
proper functioning of the machine, requiring a Power On Reset and/or
the assistance of a Hardware Support Engineer to bring the system back
into proper working order.
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2007v.html#21 It keeps getting uglier
it also
On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 10:44:21 -0500, Warner Mach wrote:
Wouldn't it be ironic if PSI, with Microsoft backing,
turned out to be the real long-range salvation of z/OS?
This is an entirely plausible possibility.
It's in the interest of all of us who depend on a viable z/OS market for our
livelihood
Personally I do not understand what the rant is all about...
I have heard of several patents for non-petroleum vehicles that seemed
practical, viable, and all the other nice words, but have been blocked
by someone unknown. In fact even university students of the past have
developed new concepts
In a message dated 12/28/2007 2:45:03 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 01:14:48 -0500 Gerhard Postpischil [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
:On the 360/40, I used diagnose for two functions - one was to
:rewind all tapes, open the windows, and power
Gerhard,
You could actually power down the tape drives? Someone else mentioned they
didn't think that was possible.
Ah, the good old days. My first job in IT was a computer operator on a
360/40. We had 2 of the old tape drives that had the columns go sideways.
I can't remember the model
Not IBM and not on zServer but there are people who are trying to do
something close. The Wine project is developing a compatibility layer which
would allow Windows applications to run on any *nix. Then there is ReactOS (
www.reactos.org ) working on cloning Windows itself. Neither of the two
On 28 Dec 2007 04:00:35 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Van
Dalsen, Herbie) wrote:
I have heard of several patents for non-petroleum vehicles that seemed
practical, viable, and all the other nice words, but have been blocked
by someone unknown. In fact even university students of the past have
---snip-
Diagnose was in every edition of Principles of Operation that I've ever
seen. Or are you referring to documents from before the S/360
announcement?
---unsnip
The most basic description was present, but all it really
-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Rick Fochtman
---snip-
Diagnose was in every edition of Principles of Operation that I've
ever
seen. Or are you referring to documents from before the S/360
announcement?
-snip---
Yes I know what he *said* but we are not dealing in life and death
issues on here and (except for a few on here) this is not a pc
(politically correct) place. If I misunderstood what he meant to say he
is free to correct me.
Eric,
I think you mean the 2415. Two drives above, built in controller below.
sounded kinda like Godzilla when first one then the other vacuum column loaded.
Eric Bielefeld wrote:
Gerhard,
You could actually power down the tape drives? Someone else mentioned
they didn't think that was
, 2007 11:10 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: It keeps getting uglier
The most basic description was present, but all it really said was
machine dependant. I, for one,
would like to see more detail, at least about functions that don't give
away architectural details.
Let me do things like
In a message dated 12/28/2007 10:39:46 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
You write a nice little utility to generate a report
by retrieving data from the Support Processor using the Diagnose
instruction. You leave the company, who later installs a new processor.
Your
On Dec 28, 2007, at 10:27 AM, Rick Fochtman wrote:
-snip---
Yes I know what he *said* but we are not dealing in life and death
issues on here and (except for a few on here) this is not a pc
(politically correct) place. If I misunderstood what he
group permitting its use.
John P. Baker
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Of (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 12:25 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: It keeps getting uglier
This happened once
snip--
The most basic description was present, but all it really
said was machine dependant. I, for one, would like to see
more detail, at least about functions that don't give away
architectural details.
Let me do things like test for features, fetch the
On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 07:35:36 -, Phil Payne
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://www.sva.de/files/RZ_SVA%20z%20Hosting_web.pdf
This is the first example I've seen of a hosting service designed specifically
for ISVs.
My high school German is not up to much, but if I am reading it correctly,
SVA
That sounds right - 2415. They were the cheaper ones.
Eric Bielefeld
Sr. z/OS Systems Programmer
Milwaukee, Wisconsin
414-475-7434
- Original Message -
From: Jim Phoenix [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Eric,
I think you mean the 2415. Two drives above, built in controller below.
sounded
Eric Bielefeld wrote:
You could actually power down the tape drives? Someone else mentioned
they didn't think that was possible.
Binyamin thought I was talking about a CCW (I/O to the
controller?), but powering down would make it a bit difficult to
respond with Control Unit End g. Early
Gerhard,
Actually, on my second job as a computer operator, I graduated from the
360/40 to a 1410/1401 machine. We actually had 2 of them that shared the
same 1301 (I think) disk. A huge disk around 2 to 3 feet in diameter. You
could only use the disk on one machine at a time, but that was
Thanks Ed. This is getting a bit silly. The Diagnose instruction was
noted along with every other instruction in the POP, but no one but
FE's really knew what it could do, and I was an FE at the time,so I
knew just what it's capabilities were. Thanks for the defense
Ed, and I hope John is now
, December 28, 2007 5:07 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: It keeps getting uglier
Thanks Ed. This is getting a bit silly. The Diagnose instruction was
noted along with every other instruction in the POP, but no one but
FE's really knew what it could do, and I was an FE at the time,so I
knew
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