Re: New Mainframes coming in February

2008-01-24 Thread Eric Bielefeld
I don't quite understand the confusion either between BC and EC. I always kept them straight by remembering that B is before E in the alphabet, so therefore the BC is the smaller one. Also, you can think B for Basic. Eric Timothy Sipples [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ted, what are the

Re: New Mainframes coming in February

2008-01-24 Thread Matthew Stitt
To me (and IBM) they are (B)usiness and (E)nterprise class machines. On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 15:14:49 -0600, Eric Bielefeld [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't quite understand the confusion either between BC and EC. I always kept them straight by remembering that B is before E in the alphabet, so

Re: New Mainframes coming in February

2008-01-24 Thread Ted MacNEIL
To me (and IBM) they are (B)usiness and (E)nterprise class machines. The confusion comes with the overlap and all the zIIP/zAAP options. I don't have a problem; my management did. - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For

Re: New Mainframes coming in February

2008-01-24 Thread Phil Smith III
Matthew Stitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To me (and IBM) they are (B)usiness and (E)nterprise class machines. Uh...ok. And the difference between a 'business' and an 'enterprise' is? I remember when 'enterprise' was the new word for a business. That really doesn't help. The arcana of IBM

New Mainframes coming in February

2008-01-23 Thread Phil Payne
IBM has announced the new generation at the top of its range ever since the 370/165. This time, it has been suggested, large and small might come closer together than has been normal - perhaps a half year gap. What interests me is the physical granularity. Will the new packaging allow the

Re: New Mainframes coming in February

2008-01-22 Thread Eric Bielefeld
I don't quite understand the confusion either between BC and EC. I always kept them straight by remembering that B is before E in the alphabet, so therefore the BC is the smaller one. Also, you can think B for Basic. Eric Timothy Sipples [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ted, what are the

Re: New Mainframes coming in February

2008-01-22 Thread Van Dalsen, Herbie
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Timothy Sipples Sent: 22 Januarie 2008 05:50 To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: New Mainframes coming in February I have found that my company (before downsizing me) was totally confused with the EC/BC determinations. I wish IBM would try to simplify

Re: New Mainframes coming in February

2008-01-22 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 01/21/2008 at 04:12 PM, Paul Gilmartin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Whose trademark is Firewire? I believe that it's an AppleĀ® trademark for an IEEE standard that Apples does not own. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see

Re: New Mainframes coming in February

2008-01-21 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Phil Payne Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 2:58 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: New Mainframes coming in February The announcement in February is scarcely news. I predicted

Re: New Mainframes coming in February

2008-01-21 Thread Mark Zelden
On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 08:05:37 -0600, McKown, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm more interested in the new instructions, and any enhancements to the architecture itself (if any). The only way that we will get one is if it is cheaper (in hard dollars) than our current z9BC. Assuming things stay

Re: New Mainframes coming in February

2008-01-21 Thread Ted MacNEIL
But perhaps part of the grand plan is to only have one very scalable model moving forward. Guess those of us not under NDA will find out soon... I have found that my company (before downsizing me) was totally confused with the EC/BC determinations. I wish IBM would try to simplify their

Re: New Mainframes coming in February

2008-01-21 Thread Ed Finnell
In a message dated 1/21/2008 3:39:23 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I wish IBM would try to simplify their offerings. I've dealt with their marketting cr*p for 27 years, and I find their distintions only make sense to IBM Lots of possibilities. Based on same

Re: New Mainframes coming in February

2008-01-21 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 17:01:54 EST, Ed Finnell wrote: Lots of possibilities. Based on same matrix as G6 guess it would logical to make it a Zipper chip*? Wonder if we can firewire sysplexes together like the XBoxeslots of possibilities *That would be interlocking slide fastener for the

Re: New Mainframes coming in February

2008-01-21 Thread Mark Post
On Mon, Jan 21, 2008 at 5:12 PM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Paul Gilmartin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -snip- Whose trademark is Firewire? (And how can one do a trademark search?) http://www.uspto.gov/ Mark Post -- For

Re: New Mainframes coming in February

2008-01-21 Thread Timothy Sipples
I have found that my company (before downsizing me) was totally confused with the EC/BC determinations. I wish IBM would try to simplify their offerings. I've dealt with their marketting cr*p for 27 years, and I find their distintions only make sense to IBM sales. Ted, what are the confusing

New Mainframes coming in February

2008-01-19 Thread Phil Payne
The announcement in February is scarcely news. I predicted 'late 2007 or early 2008' back in June 2005 ( http://www.isham-research.co.uk/mainframe_2008.html ) and the dates have only firmed up since then. Shipment in 1Q is a mild surprise - I was expecting April. Whilst I happily accept the

Re: New Mainframes coming in February

2008-01-19 Thread Rick Fochtman
snip- The announcement in February is scarcely news. I predicted 'late 2007 or early 2008' back in June 2005 ( http://www.isham-research.co.uk/mainframe_2008.html ) and the dates have only firmed up since then. Shipment in 1Q is a mild surprise - I was expecting

Re: New Mainframes coming in February

2008-01-18 Thread Glenn Miller
Mark, You can use the IBM announcement website with the following URL: http://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/index.wss Within the Type of content: pull down, select the HW SW desc (Sales manual, RPQ) item. Then select the Advanced search hyperlink. Then enter machine type in the Product

Re: New Mainframes coming in February

2008-01-18 Thread Mark H. Young
On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 13:56:33 -0500, Ken Porowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From IBM's 4Q 2007 Earnings announcement http://www.ibm.com/investor/4q07/presentation/4q07prepared.pdf Mark Loughridge, IBM's Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer Now, this marks the tenth quarter of a

New Mainframes coming in February

2008-01-18 Thread Ken Porowski
From IBM's 4Q 2007 Earnings announcement http://www.ibm.com/investor/4q07/presentation/4q07prepared.pdf Mark Loughridge, IBM's Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer Now, this marks the tenth quarter of a long and successful technology cycle for System z. In 2008 we'll move to our

Re: New Mainframes coming in February

2008-01-18 Thread Ken Porowski
I've only seen the software ones, maybe someone else on the list has found one for hardware. I would usually just search the announcement letters. -Original Message- Mark H. Young On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 13:56:33 -0500, Ken Porowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From IBM's 4Q 2007 Earnings